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The God dont matter referendum

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    #32
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Trojan Donkey wrote: »
    Another reason is that if the Yes votes win, a child having two dads could lead to confusion..... I don't want that to happen to people.

    What, like the way Jesus has 2 dads?


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    #33
    Fleawuss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    Ban religious discussion from AH please. It's too much.


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    #34
    Trojan Donkey
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 59 ✭✭Trojan Donkey


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    What, like the way Jesus has 2 dads?

    Explain.


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    #35
    Terrlock
    Registered Users Posts: 686 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    murphm45 wrote: »
    Your argument is fundamentally flawed, the reason being your assuming the church and state definition of marriage are one in the same. They're not. The key differentiation being divorce.

    I'd like to think of myself as a relatively devout catholic and while I'm not 100% sure on how I'll vote yet I don't think I'm turning my back on God if I choose to vote yes. By voting no purely for the"good doesn't like it" reason I'm forcing my beliefs on others which I don't see as Christian.

    Anyway AH response - troll much op?!

    If you know God is true and believe in him then you should take his word seriously and follow what it says.

    Marriage is clearly defined in God's word to be between man and women. A union which is blessed by God.

    You cannot know God, follow him, trust in his word and still vote yes to gay marriage, it's hypocrisy


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    #36
    salmocab
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    Terrlock wrote: »
    If you know God is true and believe in him then you should take his word seriously and follow what it says.

    Marriage is clearly defined in God's word to be between man and women. A union which is blessed by God.

    You cannot know God, follow him, trust in his word and still vote yes to gay marriage, it's hypocrisy

    and you cannot know what Gods word is unless he told you.


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    #37
    [Deleted User]
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    You cannot know God, follow him, trust in his word and still vote yes to gay marriage, it's hypocrisy

    That's fine for religious marriage, but you've no business preventing people from marrying in a civil ceremony since that has no bearing on your life.


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    #38
    fleet_admiral
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    Trojan Donkey wrote: »
    I'm voting NO. Because voting Yes won't get equality for everyone. Everyone has the right to marry a person of the opposite sex. A man has the right to marry a woman and vice verse. Giving people the right to marry the same sex is like someone winning €1 million in the lottery and then turning around and saying that they don't want that they want €2 million.

    Another reason is that if the Yes votes win, a child having two dads could lead to confusion, bullying, embarrassment, depression and maybe suicide. I don't want that to happen to people.
    And having two mothers would be different?


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    #39
    BoJack Horseman
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    Trojan Donkey wrote: »
    Explain.

    Well, if you are new to Christianity, the most of it is that he is the some of God & also, the son of Joseph.

    They shared custody though.

    After 32 years & after Jesus had his resur-erection, he went to live with his dad in the sky.


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    #40
    Señor Fancy Pants
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    Love is a wonderful thing. Regardless of what gender you are and what gender you fall in love with.

    People shouldn't be penalised because they don't fit into "the accepted social norms". Whats "normal" these days anyway?

    I would be confident that people of the same gender who marry and have / adopt children would do a fine job. No better or worse than the "conventional" family unit.

    The Church and its opinions hold no weight with me. They frown upon contraception yet were responsible for horrors of the laundries, and priests fiddling with kids.

    "God" didn't mind that stuff, now did he?


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    #41
    Nollog
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    macker33 wrote: »
    Lets not forget all the good the cathlic church has done for this country while gays have done nothing but embarrass us.

    We'll never know, because they would've been afraid to come out.


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    #42
    Trojan Donkey
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 59 ✭✭Trojan Donkey


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    Well, if you are new to Christianity, the most of it is that he is the some of God & also, the son of Joseph.

    They shared custody though.

    Jesus is not the son of Joseph. Mary was chosen to give birth to Jesus who was the incarnation of God on earth.


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    #43
    Custardpi
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    fleet_admiral wrote: »
    And having two mothers would be different?

    Of course!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBopehVrFoQ


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    #44
    Trojan Donkey
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    fleet_admiral wrote: »
    And having two mothers would be different?

    No. It would be the exact same.


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    #45
    Tasden
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    Trojan Donkey wrote: »

    Another reason is that if the Yes votes win, a child having two dads could lead to confusion, bullying, embarrassment, depression and maybe suicide. I don't want that to happen to people.

    Voting no may lead to the same confusion, embarrassment, depression and maybe suicide for (young) gay people who will feel that they, and the people they love, are somehow lesser/not worthy in the eyes of their fellow citizens. Same for those who currently have same sex parents.
    I don't want that to happen to people.


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    #46
    The Backwards Man
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    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    Well, if you are new to Christianity, the most of it is that he is the some of God & also, the son of Joseph.

    They shared custody though.

    After 32 years & after Jesus had his resur-erection, he went to live with his dad in the sky.
    The world's first and longest term surrogate child. :)


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    #47
    BoJack Horseman
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    Trojan Donkey wrote: »
    Jesus is not the son of Joseph. Mary was chosen to give birth to Jesus who was the incarnation of God on earth.

    Kinda blasphemous there friendo!

    Catholics deem Jesus was indeed devine, but separate from god.
    During Christ's life, god appeared to others separately.

    Meanwhile back at the carpenters shop, joseph did refer to Jesus as his son & likewise Jesus referred to Joseph as his father.

    2,000 years later Jesus still hasn't moved out of 'Space Dad's' gaff in heaven.
    The word is that its putting a strain between god & his girlfriend Karen, whoem God is trying to get to move in.


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    #48
    gctest50
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    Terrlock wrote: »
    If you know God is true and believe in him then you should take his word seriously and follow what it says.

    Marriage is clearly defined in God's word to be between man and women. A union which is blessed by God.

    You cannot know God, follow him, trust in his word and still vote yes to gay marriage, it's hypocrisy


    which one ?


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    #49
    It wasnt me123
    Registered Users Posts: 1,731 ✭✭✭It wasnt me123


    Terrlock wrote: »
    and still vote yes to gay marriage, it's hypocrisy

    In my book, hypocrisy is saying "think of the children" and forgetting the abuse, physical/mental/sexual that was done on the "children" by the clergy. Or are Gay rights only for the Clergy


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    #50
    Trojan Donkey
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    Tasden wrote: »
    Voting no may lead to the same confusion, embarrassment, depression and maybe suicide for (young) gay people who will feel that they, and the people they love, are somehow lesser/not worthy in the eyes of their fellow citizens. Same for those who currently have same sex parents.
    I don't want that to happen to people.

    Have you any idea about the amount of proud gay people coming out on TV? No embarrassment there. And if suicide was a problem within the gay community, we wouldn't have nonsensical referendums trying to ruin this country now would we?


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    #51
    Anesthetize
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    What was the name of that disciple that Jesus loved? ;)


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    #52
    Trojan Donkey
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    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    Kinda blasphemous there friendo!

    Catholics deem Jesus was indeed devine, but separate from god.
    During Christ's life, god appeared to others separately.

    Meanwhile back at the carpenters shop, joseph did refer to Jesus as his son & likewise Jesus referred to Joseph as his father.

    2,000 years later Jesus still hasn't moved out of 'Space Dad's' gaff in heaven.
    The word is that its putting a strain between god & his girlfriend Karen,whoem God is trying to get to move in.

    Please stop making snarky comments at the ends of your posts. People aren't going to take you seriously with that kind of behaviour.

    EDIT: You mean heresy, not blasphemy. Also, the Catholic Church's teachings differ substantially from the Bible's.


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    #53
    The Backwards Man
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    Anesthetize wrote: »
    What was the name of that disciple that Jesus loved? ;)
    Mary Magdalene?


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    #54
    mahamageehad
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    Trojan Donkey wrote: »
    Jesus is not the son of Joseph. Mary was chosen to give birth to Jesus who was the incarnation of God on earth.

    :confused: Sure if two gays lads have a kid through a surrogate, one of them will be the biological dad. Therefore he will be lad A's son. Like Jebus and God.

    However, if lad B rears him (lets say for 30 years or so...), he would also have the right to call the lad his son.

    So, therefore, yup, Jebus had two dads.


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    #55
    Anesthetize
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    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Mary Magdalene?
    There was another one, can't remember his name.


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    #56
    Whosthis
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    Trojan Donkey wrote: »
    Please stop making snarky comments at the ends of your posts. People aren't going to take you seriously with that kind of behaviour.

    And they're going to pay serious attention to grown adults that believe in a glorious sky wizard?


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    #57
    bee06
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    Trojan Donkey wrote: »
    I'm voting NO. Because voting Yes won't get equality for everyone. Everyone has the right to marry a person of the opposite sex. A man has the right to marry a woman and vice verse. Giving people the right to marry the same sex is like someone winning €1 million in the lottery and then turning around and saying that they don't want that they want €2 million.

    That's some excellent logic there. Well done


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    #58
    Tasden
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    Anesthetize wrote: »
    There was another one, can't remember his name.

    Peter?


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    #59
    bjork
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    mahamageehad wrote: »
    :confused: Sure if two gays lads have a kid through a surrogate, one of them will be the biological dad. Therefore he will be lad A's son. Like Jebus and God.

    However, if lad B rears him (lets say for 30 years or so...), he would also have the right to call the lad his son.

    So, therefore, yup, Jebus had two dads.

    If he adopts him he currently has the right to call him son. Something that will not change with the referendum.


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    #60
    RobertKK
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    What would Jesus do?
    From the New testament (Corinthians):
    Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with menURL="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%206&version=NIV#fen-NIV-28477a"]a[/URL 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were.

    Then again in the New testament (Timothy):
    We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.


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    #61
    endacl
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    'Cathlic' church? :D

    C'mon Macker. At least get that bit right!

    :D


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