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Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

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  • #6452
    jooksavage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭jooksavage


    Anita Blow wrote: »
    The thread has descended into gay cakes in a different country and wombs for hire. lol

    Is it too early to start complaining about immigrants?


  • #6453
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    Some people on the no side have used their religion to say things that are hurtful and prejudice toward LGBT people

    Some of them being Bishops in the Catholic church, and priests standing at lecterns in churches all around the country.


  • #6454
    MessiHutz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭MessiHutz


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    but you don't believe in religious freedom. You believe in religious freedom when you agree with it and it suits. As evidenced by your own words



    either the you support the state guaranteeing to protect all peoples religious freedom and immediately permits gay marriages or your just a hypocrite. Now which is it?

    Sorry you've lost me , how do I not support religious freedom?


  • #6455
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    MessiHutz wrote: »
    It is is "soooo" different. If we all have to agree and comply with yes to gay marriage than why are we having a referendum

    But you don't and no one is asking you to! We are appealing for you to allow the state to permit same-sex people access to civil secular marriage. You are still free to disagree, still free to not attend etc its just about making the State more pluristic and not enforcing one vision of marriage on all.


  • #6456
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,937 ✭✭✭galljga1


    Anita Blow wrote: »
    The thread has descended into gay cakes in a different country and wombs for hire. lol

    You missed alpacas and gerbils....don't forget gerbils.


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  • #6457
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Anita Blow wrote: »
    The thread has descended into gay cakes in a different country and wombs for hire. lol

    I'm pretty sure that's exactly the goal.

    Waters = muddied


  • #6458
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    MessiHutz wrote: »
    Sorry you've lost me , how do I not support religious freedom?

    You don't support my religious freedom to marry my same sex partner. If you did genuinely treasure religious freedom logically you;d have to call for the prohibition to end or you;d be a hypocrite.


  • #6459
    Gerry T
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭Gerry T


    MessiHutz wrote: »
    galljga1 wrote: »
    When religious freedom vs anti discrimination laws, I vote for anti discrimination laws.

    Would you see the case the same if a gay couple owned a bakery and refused to bake a cake with "Every child deserves a mother and father, vote no" on it?

    Every child is born to a mother and a father...what's your point


  • #6460
    MessiHutz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭MessiHutz


    Anita Blow wrote: »
    The thread has descended into gay cakes in a different country and wombs for hire. lol

    God forbid some interesting debate. What would you rather discuss? What time we're going to vote on Friday?


  • #6461
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    But you don't and no one is asking you to! We are appealing for you to allow the state to permit same-sex people access to civil secular marriage. You are still free to disagree, still free to not attend etc its just about making the State more pluristic and not enforcing one vision of marriage on all.

    You still have to make them a cake though.


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  • #6462
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You still have to make them a cake though.

    When was that decided in this jurisdiction? Or is that your just scaremongering again.


  • #6463
    MessiHutz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭MessiHutz


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    You don't support my religious freedom to marry my same sex partner. If you did genuinely treasure religious freedom logically you;d have to call for the prohibition to end or you;d be a hypocrite.
    Thought your marriage has nothing to do religion?
    Gerry T wrote: »
    MessiHutz wrote: »
    galljga1 wrote: »
    When religious freedom vs anti discrimination laws, I vote for anti discrimination laws.

    Every child is born to a mother and a father...what's your point

    What are you on about at all? I was making the point that if the cake was supporting no rather than yes people would view the case differently. I just used the mother and father thing because that's a common slogan from the No campaign


  • #6464
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    When was that decided in this jurisdiction? Or is that your just scaremongering again.

    Neither just a bit of humour, should have stuck in the smiley face.


  • #6465
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,937 ✭✭✭galljga1


    MessiHutz wrote: »
    galljga1 wrote: »
    When religious freedom vs anti discrimination laws, I vote for anti discrimination laws.

    Would you see the case the same if a gay couple owned a bakery and refused to bake a cake with "Every child deserves a mother and father, vote no" on it?

    That would not be anything to do with religious freedom in my view. Would it be discrimination? Possibly, not sure of the grounds. Is refusing to print a message that supports continued discrimination, (even though the message has nothing to do with the referendum) actually discrimination?

    I say bake the cake, business is business.


  • #6466
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    MessiHutz wrote: »
    Are you honestly suggesting that people who disagree with gay marriage on religious grounds haven't been called homophobic because that is nonsense and you know it.

    Some people have - but never by anybody in any way connected with any of the organisations campaigning for a Yes. The Yes side have been at great odds to be polite - and I can tell you that as somebody who has been knocking on the doors and had to small politely in the face of some horrific comments and abuse.

    Nobody has been silenced by it though. The no side have in fact been over-represented if anything (given the small and unrepresentative nature of their campaign).

    And I can't recall any instances of the H word being used in any public debates to date.

    I would be fairly confident though the incidents of abuse by No supporters equal or exceed that by the yes side though.

    And would also add that in many instances, No voters are homophobic - including those who suggest LGBT people are child abusers, or that we are deviants, perverts etc.

    So while there may have been some instances, some justified some perhaps not, to say that accusations of homophobia are characteristic of the Yes campaign is grossly inaccurate.


  • #6467
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    MessiHutz wrote: »
    What are you on about at all? I was making the point that if the cake was supporting no rather than yes people would view the case differently. I just used the mother and father thing because that's a common slogan from the No campaign

    Jesus you're on about cake again. This was dealt with yesterday. It involves another jurisdiction and is against the law there.

    Let's say we change it to one of the following would it still be wrong?

    Ok so lets say the person ordering the cake was Muslim and the message was in support of Shariah Law?

    Or the person was disabled and it was in support of the Special Olympics?

    Or the person was Black and it was in support of immigrants rights?

    Or the person was Catholic and it was in support of Opus Dei?

    Or the person was Jewish and it was in support of Jewish rights?

    Or the person was a traveler and it was in support of a new halting site?

    Are they allowed to deny these people their cake as well?

    (and yes I did copy this from yesterdays post but as you are regurgitating stuff I can too!)


  • #6468
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    MessiHutz wrote: »
    Thought your marriage has nothing to do religion?

    The referendum provides for access to civil secular marriage only, as well you know. No Church will or could be forced to provide same sex marriages no more than they can be forced to marry any couple they choose not to. Should a church or other religious organisation choose to marry people they will of course be free to do so should the referendum pass.

    We are talking about your crusade for religious freedom. I am a religious person. My religion tells me I must marry my partner. Now can you explain the blatant hypocrisy of talking about defending religious liberty while actively campaigning to have me deprived of my religious liberty to a marry my partner?


  • #6469
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    MessiHutz wrote: »
    What would you rather discuss?

    Me, I'm still waiting for a No voter to present a valid argument for the No side. Not too late, guys, tell us why you are really voting No, you might convince someone!


  • #6470
    ProfessorPlum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    MessiHutz wrote: »
    Sorry you've lost me , how do I not support religious freedom?

    There are religions who support SSM, but SSM is not allowed currently in this country, and you wish to continue this prohibition, because you believe you are exercising your religious freedom in voting no. Why is exercising your religious freedom by not marrying a member of the same sex not enough for you? Why must you impinge on others religious freedoms too?


  • #6471
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Me, I'm still waiting for a No voter to present a valid argument for the No side. Not too late, guys, tell us why you are really voting No, you might convince someone!

    Cakes babies surrogacy bullies wombs mothers God war paedophiles freedom


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  • #6472
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    Perhaps one day medical technology will advance to allow Alpacas to act as surrogates for humans.

    Protect Alpacas from exploitation. Vote NO!

    Sure who would guard the sheep while the alpaca is off on maternity leave! Madness!


  • #6473
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    galljga1 wrote: »
    You missed alpacas and gerbils....don't forget gerbils.

    Gerbils are a red herring. This all started out as a debate on Llama farming!


  • #6474
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,937 ✭✭✭galljga1


    gandalf wrote: »
    Jesus you're on about cake again. This was dealt with yesterday. It involves another jurisdiction and is against the law there.

    Let's say we change it to one of the following would it still be wrong?

    Ok so lets say the person ordering the cake was Muslim and the message was in support of Shariah Law?

    Or the person was disabled and it was in support of the Special Olympics?

    Or the person was Black and it was in support of immigrants rights?

    Or the person was Catholic and it was in support of Opus Dei?

    Or the person was Jewish and it was in support of Jewish rights?

    Or the person was a traveler and it was in support of a new halting site?

    Are they allowed to deny these people their cake as well?

    (and yes I did copy this from yesterdays post but as you are regurgitating stuff I can too!)
    O.K. I don't want shariah law here. Think bacon (I know: Leviticus).
    No halting site in my backyard.
    Opus Dei are nutbags.

    However, business is business, bake the cake.


  • #6475
    Gerry T
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭Gerry T


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Cakes babies surrogacy bullies wombs mothers God war paedophiles freedom

    Well I'm convinced. I don't want all of these to disappear after Fri: cakes, babies, surrogacy, bullies, wombs, mothers, god, war, paedophiles, freedom.

    I just want these to disappear: bullies, war, paedophiles.

    close the thread, we can all vote no.


  • #6476
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    galljga1 wrote: »
    O.K. I don't want shariah law here. Think bacon (I know: Leviticus).
    No halting site in my backyard.
    Opus Dei are nutbags.

    However, business is business, bake the cake.

    Why couldn't Asher's have just baked the cake and inserted bodily fluids into the cake mix, like any normal person would have done?


  • #6477
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    floggg wrote: »
    Why couldn't Asher's have just baked the cake and inserted bodily fluids into the cake mix, like any normal person would have done?

    As in the Eucharist?


  • #6478
    MessiHutz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭MessiHutz


    gandalf wrote: »
    Jesus you're on about cake again. This was dealt with yesterday. It involves another jurisdiction and is against the law there.

    Let's say we change it to one of the following would it still be wrong?

    Ok so lets say the person ordering the cake was Muslim and the message was in support of Shariah Law?

    Or the person was disabled and it was in support of the Special Olympics?

    Or the person was Black and it was in support of immigrants rights?

    Or the person was Catholic and it was in support of Opus Dei?

    Or the person was Jewish and it was in support of Jewish rights?

    Or the person was a traveler and it was in support of a new halting site?

    Are they allowed to deny these people their cake as well?

    (and yes I did copy this from yesterdays post but as you are regurgitating stuff I can too!)
    We are being asked to consider Gay marriage, not just here but everywhere it is up for debate. If we are asked to consider something people should be allowed to take one side or what is the point in asking the question? Those other things are not questions we are being asked but definitely wouldn't be baking cakes supporting Shariah Law anyway.


  • #6479
    jooksavage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭jooksavage


    floggg wrote: »
    Why couldn't Asher's have just baked the cake and inserted bodily fluids into the cake mix, like any normal person would have done?

    lol


  • #6480
    jobbridge4life
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭jobbridge4life


    MessiHutz wrote: »
    We are being asked to consider Gay marriage, not just here but everywhere it is up for debate. If we are asked to consider something people should be allowed to take one side or what is the point in asking the question? Those other things are not questions we are being asked but definitely wouldn't be baking cakes supporting Shariah Law anyway.

    So in otherwords you concede that you never really cared about religious freedom just religious freedom that discriminates against gay people. Whats that Cyndi Lauper song?


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  • #6481
    CaveCanem
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 150 ✭✭CaveCanem


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    Whats that Cyndi Lauper song?

    Girls just wanna have fun?


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