Marriage may be contracted in accordance with law by two persons without distinction

JONJO THE MISER · 20-05-2015 03:06AM

ronivek wrote: »

YouTube aren't promoting any side; that's how YouTube advertisements work. A "promoted video" is effectively just an advertisement. It's likely one of the 'Yes' campaign groups who have funded it.

As i said i do not go on youtube that often only for tunes when im after a few beers, its not a promoted video like a add but a video that has a larger video size in the what to watch segement, normally these segments have the same size but this was on the top and about 6 times the size of the rest, never saw that before.

ronivek · 20-05-2015 03:17AM

I bet it's like that; I have to put up with this crap all night long.

JONJO THE MISER · 20-05-2015 05:13AM

No as i said it was not like that, it was not a add, it was a recommended for me video but 6 times bigger than other videos that are recommended, i cant see it now all the recommended for you videos are back to the normal way side by side
and not enlarged.

Sofiztikated · 20-05-2015 05:27AM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

No as i said it was not like that, it was not a add, it was a recommended for me video but 6 times bigger than other videos that are recommended, i cant see it now all the recommended for you videos are back to the normal way side by side
and not enlarged.

Is it possible you hit the large/cinema player button?

ronivek · 20-05-2015 05:37AM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

No as i said it was not like that, it was not a add, it was a recommended for me video but 6 times bigger than other videos that are recommended, i cant see it now all the recommended for you videos are back to the normal way side by side
and not enlarged.

Well considering the amount of 'No' campaign spam I'm getting from YouTube; I think it's safe to say there's no conspiracy on their behalf to campaign for or otherwise support a 'Yes' vote.

It'll be over in a few days thankfully.

gravehold · 20-05-2015 06:55AM

ronivek wrote: »

I bet it's like that; I have to put up with this crap all night long.

Use ųblock or press that skip add button

meglome · 20-05-2015 10:32AM

ronivek wrote: »

Well considering the amount of 'No' campaign spam I'm getting from YouTube; I think it's safe to say there's no conspiracy on their behalf to campaign for or otherwise support a 'Yes' vote.

It'll be over in a few days thankfully.

How does a fringe group like the Iona 'Institute' or whatever name they are calling themselves get the large sums of money to place all these ads?

Sofiztikated · 20-05-2015 10:33AM

meglome wrote: »

How does a fringe group like the Iona 'Institute' or whatever name they are calling themselves get the large sums of money to place all these ads?

They don't disclose where the funds come from. By don't, I mean refuse.

Michael OBrien · 20-05-2015 12:24PM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

It was the first video under what to watch when i went on youtube, when i normally go on youtube there are small screens of what to watch but this has enlarged, come on now i think we all know youtube is trying to promote the yes side.

Advertising is tracked these days. You get ads that reflect your viewing habits. They use google metrics. Basically if you view sites about certain topics or are from certain locations, or a combination of the above, google knows, and the ads follow you accordingly.

I get religious ads on YT all the time, because I am an atheist and view religious themed videos. I don't go around thinking YT is pushing Mormonism or scientology or creationism at me.

Not a NSA agent · 20-05-2015 12:27PM

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

It was the first video under what to watch when i went on youtube, when i normally go on youtube there are small screens of what to watch but this has enlarged, come on now i think we all know youtube is trying to promote the yes side.

Its machine learning, not an conspiracy against you. Youtube has algorithms to decide what may be of interest to you.

enda1 · 20-05-2015 12:35PM

Anyone know what the plans are with civil partnership if the amendment passes?

Will my civil partnership with my partner of opposite sex finally be recognised by Ireland or will gay people now have actually more rights to relationship recognition?

Ave Sodalis · 20-05-2015 12:38PM

enda1 wrote: »

Anyone know what the plans are with civil partnership if the amendment passes?

Will my civil partnership with my partner of opposite sex finally be recognised by Ireland or will gay people now have actually more rights to relationship recognition?

There will be no new civil partnerships but those who have it, remain the same.

SF12 · 20-05-2015 01:11PM

enda1 wrote: »

Anyone know what the plans are with civil partnership if the amendment passes?

Will my civil partnership with my partner of opposite sex finally be recognised by Ireland or will gay people now have actually more rights to relationship recognition?

Do you mean civil marriage? I'm confused by all this. I thought civil partnership was basically to allow non-religious ceremonies, regardless of the sexes involved. But it says on the referendum commission site that only same-sex couples can enter into civil partnerships. Opposite sex couples cannot. So - do you mean a civil marriage? And do civil marriages not already have the same rights as religious marriages?? (for want of a better description)

The more I dig into all of this, the more confused (and dubious) I get.

Ave Sodalis · 20-05-2015 01:15PM

SF12 wrote: »

Do you mean civil marriage? I'm confused by all this. I thought civil partnership was basically to allow non-religious ceremonies, regardless of the sexes involved. But it says on the referendum commission site that only same-sex couples can enter into civil partnerships. Opposite sex couples cannot. So - do you mean a civil marriage? And do civil marriages not already have the same rights as religious marriages?? (for want of a better description)

The more I dig into all of this, the more confused (and dubious) I get.

Away from the church, there is civil marriage and civil partnership. Civil marriage currently is only for straight people, and civil partnership is only for gay people. If the referendum passes, then there will be no more new civil partnerships and gay couples will have to use civil marriage, like straight couples.

Religious marriage is only a marriage when the civil part is performed.

SF12 · 20-05-2015 01:17PM

sup_dude wrote: »

Away from the church, there is civil marriage and civil partnership. Civil marriage currently is only for straight people, and civil partnership is only for gay people. If the referendum passes, then there will be no more new civil partnerships and gay couples will have to use civil marriage, like straight couples.

Religious marriage is only a marriage when the civil part is performed.

Ah yes, I know the bit about the religious marriages. I hadn't realised that there was a difference between civil marriage and civil partnership though. Thanks.

Ave Sodalis · 20-05-2015 01:18PM

SF12 wrote: »

Ah yes, I know the bit about the religious marriages. I hadn't realised that there was a difference between civil marriage and civil partnership though. Thanks.

Yup, there's 160 differences in fact

SF12 · 20-05-2015 01:19PM

Oh yeah, I got that. I just hadn't realised the marriage/partnership thing was "sex-specific"

enda1 · 20-05-2015 01:19PM

SF12 wrote: »

Do you mean civil marriage? I'm confused by all this. I thought civil partnership was basically to allow non-religious ceremonies, regardless of the sexes involved. But it says on the referendum commission site that only same-sex couples can enter into civil partnerships. Opposite sex couples cannot. So - do you mean a civil marriage? And do civil marriages not already have the same rights as religious marriages?? (for want of a better description)

The more I dig into all of this, the more confused (and dubious) I get.

No I do mean civil partnership.
I have a civil partner who is of the opposite gender. It was conducted in France (a PACS) to allow for the easy provision for joint ownership and sharing of assets in the case of death (we were buying a house in France).

Ireland does not recognise our relationship however, which is bizarre. In it's attempt to bring in equality (back when civil partnerships were brought in) it instead brought in another layer of inequality.

So my relationship will STILL not be recognised after this bill? Had she been a man my relationship would be recognised? All seems very strange.

Lastly, why would they get rid of civil partnerships if they bring in equal marriage? They are not the same thing so why eliminate the choice of not getting married and only getting civilly partnered if one wants to?

Seems a very backwards step.

seamus · 20-05-2015 01:21PM

enda1 wrote: »

Anyone know what the plans are with civil partnership if the amendment passes?

Will my civil partnership with my partner of opposite sex finally be recognised by Ireland or will gay people now have actually more rights to relationship recognition?

The new marriage bill will allow those currently in a civil partnership to get married. Unfortunately there'll be no "fast-track" system to upgrade it, it's the same process.

At present it is not possible for someone in a civil partnership to get married (e.g. a bisexual woman in CP with a woman who wants to marry a man). As I understand it you can get married to your existing civil partner, but if you want a different partner, you will need to get your CP dissolved first.

People who want to retain their civil partnership can do so and it will continue as valid as before. New civil partnerships will not be available.

enda1 · 20-05-2015 01:24PM

seamus wrote: »

The new marriage bill will allow those currently in a civil partnership to get married. Unfortunately there'll be no "fast-track" system to upgrade it, it's the same process.

At present it is not possible for someone in a civil partnership to get married (e.g. a bisexual woman in CP with a woman who wants to marry a man). As I understand it you can get married to your existing civil partner, but if you want a different partner, you will need to get your CP dissolved first.

People who want to retain their civil partnership can do so and it will continue as valid as before. New civil partnerships will not be available.

But I don't want to get married. I just want want relationship recognised by the state. The same as if I had been gay...

jobbridge4life · 20-05-2015 01:24PM

enda1 wrote: »

But I don't want to get married. I just want want relationship recognised b the state. The same as if I had been gay...

Grand go fight for that. It has nothing to do with the referendum at hand.

sydthebeat · 20-05-2015 01:26PM

enda1 wrote: »

But I don't want to get married. I just want want relationship recognised b the state. The same as if I had been gay...

Wrong thread

seamus · 20-05-2015 01:26PM

enda1 wrote: »

No I do mean civil partnership.
I have a civil partner who is of the opposite gender. It was conducted in France (a PACS) to allow for the easy provision for joint ownership and sharing of assets in the case of death (we were buying a house in France).

Ireland does not recognise our relationship however, which is bizarre. In it's attempt to bring in equality (back when civil partnerships were brought in) it instead brought in another layer of inequality.

So my relationship will STILL not be recognised after this bill? Had she been a man my relationship would be recognised? All seems very strange.

It seems more like a bit of a niche scenario.

Marriage legislation recognises marriages contracted in a foreign jurisdiction, provided that the nature of the marriage meets the same criteria as here. So a marriage involving siblings overseas would not be a recognised marriage here, and so forth.
With this in mind, same-sex marriages overseas would be recognised as valid in Ireland. However, other arrangements such as civil partnerships would not.

Had your civil partner been a man, your relationship would still not have been recognised.

In effect, your French civil partnership was a private contractual agreement under French Law. While some provisions of that contract would be recognised in an Irish court, it would not be afforded the same legal status as a civil partnership or marriage in Irish law.

In effect, it's a bit like signing an employment contract with a mate in France, then moving the entire business to Ireland and expecting the same contract to be recognised under Irish law.

enda1 · 20-05-2015 01:33PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

Wrong thread

Not really. It seems that if there is a yes vote, the intention is to abolish civil partnerships, thus making the chance for my relationship to be recognised by the state further from reality.

An unintended (perhaps) consequence of the amendment and further legislation.

I would of course still vote yes in the referendum (if I was allowed vote - I no longer reside in Ireland) but I am disappointed that the legislature is not trying to kill two birds with the one stone here and make it all equal.

SireOfSeth · 20-05-2015 01:57PM

SF12 wrote: »

Do you mean civil marriage? I'm confused by all this. I thought civil partnership was basically to allow non-religious ceremonies, regardless of the sexes involved. But it says on the referendum commission site that only same-sex couples can enter into civil partnerships. Opposite sex couples cannot. So - do you mean a civil marriage? And do civil marriages not already have the same rights as religious marriages?? (for want of a better description)

The more I dig into all of this, the more confused (and dubious) I get.

You know the bit at the end of the religious ceremony, where you sign the marriage register... that is the civil marriage bit. If you did not sign, the marriage is not be recognised by the state (it would only be recognised by the church). If someone gets married at a Registry Office, they will sign the marriage register. That's a civil marriage too.

Homosexual couples are not allowed to have a civil marriage. They are only allowed to have a civil partnership.

Basically, Civil Marriage is greater than Civil Partnership. That is what we are voting on... allowing homosexual couples the same right to civil marriage as their heterosexual counterparts.

C14N · 20-05-2015 01:58PM

meglome wrote: »

How does a fringe group like the Iona 'Institute' or whatever name they are calling themselves get the large sums of money to place all these ads?

I wonder do they get funding from overseas. Not many wealthy Irish with much of an interest I don't think but plenty of Americans who are, and the Mormons in Utah have previously spent large sums of money on anti-gay marriage campaigns in other states before.

enda1 wrote: »

Not really. It seems that if there is a yes vote, the intention is to abolish civil partnerships, thus making the chance for my relationship to be recognised by the state further from reality.

It's going to be the same distance from reality, really.

PopePalpatine · 20-05-2015 02:09PM

C14N wrote: »

I wonder do they get funding from overseas. Not many wealthy Irish with much of an interest I don't think but plenty of Americans who are, and the Mormons in Utah have previously spent large sums of money on anti-gay marriage campaigns in other states before.

This should make for enlightening reading.

sydthebeat · 20-05-2015 03:16PM

enda1 wrote: »

Not really. It seems that if there is a yes vote, the intention is to abolish civil partnerships, thus making the chance for my relationship to be recognised by the state further from reality.

An unintended (perhaps) consequence of the amendment and further legislation.

I would of course still vote yes in the referendum (if I was allowed vote - I no longer reside in Ireland) but I am disappointed that the legislature is not trying to kill two birds with the one stone here and make it all equal.

If your French civil partnership isn't recognised here currently, a yes or no vote isn't going to change that.

If your French civil partnership IS recognised here currently, a yes or no vote isn't going to change that.

Stark · 20-05-2015 03:38PM

Also if you're in a heterosexual civil partnership, that's not recognised in Ireland and won't be regardless of the referendum outcome. Civil partnership is only for the gheys in Ireland.

enda1 · 20-05-2015 03:53PM

Thanks for clarifying all.

Has there been debate on why they're going to abolish civil partnerships (if there's a yes vote)? Or is it a case of it's assumed no one will want them?

Marriage may be contracted in accordance with law by two persons without distinction

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