Teenager dies after allegedly taking PMMA Pills Mod warning first post

The Backwards Man · 17-05-2015 06:17PM

Cold War Kid wrote: »

Vast majority isn't dodgy..

It turns ordinary everyday people into jawchomping arm waving morons. That's dodgy enough for me!:pac:

enfant terrible · 17-05-2015 06:17PM

Yakult wrote: »

Was not aware it had even left..

Only a fool takes pills containing who the **** knows what and that's a lot of fools. At least take pure mdma if you want a safe, fun time off your head. Moderation and lack of alcohol highly advised.

Why are people buying pills if they can buy pure mdma.

How can you be sure that's pure?

_Kaiser_ · 17-05-2015 06:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

True, but it's the crazy drugs policy that reduces it to dodgy drugs from dodgy characters. In a country that sees so much harm wrought by perfectly good alcohol bought from perfectly nice publicans, it's hard to understand the criminalisation of taking E.

Do you not see the contradiction in that statement?

On one hand you (correctly) point out the negative impact alcohol abuse has on this country, and then you advocate for legalising more harmful drugs. You only have to walk around Dublin City Centre to see the effects their ready availability has now.

I know this is AH, with a predominantly younger "cooler" more liberal crowd (and I'm only - almost - 40 myself) but legalising E and the rest isn't the answer either.

poeticmakaveli · 17-05-2015 06:18PM

enfant terrible wrote:

If not it should be sold legally, would stop people consuming god knows what with the MDMA.

bodhrandude wrote:

A Dublin girl collapsed suffering from a heart attack outside the Twisted Pepper nightclub last night, she had apparently taken three fake ecstasy pills called PMMA or Superman pills from a bad batch that came from the Netherlands to the UK in January. I think personally its a bit stupid to take three of something you know damn all about, better to take half of one rather than to gob three of them.

Better to take none than gob 3 of them!
Its a disgrace that a young man takes drugs but to see a young girl take drugs is disgraceful!

Grayson · 17-05-2015 06:20PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Most ecstasy is dodgy. Hardly a surprise after taking 3.

There was an article in Vice recently and apparently the purity and strength has increased massively in the last 10 years. Dodgy pills are less and less likely now.

Although superman, mitzi's and bacardi's are still used. Guess there's a lesson in there about branding.

Still, in the old days I'd buy a week beforehand and start with a half. That way if there were dodgy ones they'd appear in the news first and talking a half eased me into it. I never liked the rush of the come up on pills. I can only imagine how utterly terrifying it would be on three genuine pills. Hell, for most pill popper three pills would be enough for a night, not a start of a night.

enfant terrible · 17-05-2015 06:22PM

poeticmakaveli wrote: »

Better to take none than gob 3 of them!
Its a disgrace that a young man takes drugs but to see a young girl take drugs is disgraceful!

You feel the same about alcohol?

17-05-2015 06:22PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Do you not see the contradiction in that statement?

On one hand you (correctly) point out the negative impact alcohol abuse has on this country, and then you advocate for legalising more harmful drugs. You only have to walk around Dublin City Centre to see the effects their ready availability has now.

I know this is AH, with a predominantly younger "cooler" more liberal crowd (and I'm only - almost - 40 myself) but legalising E and the rest isn't the answer either.

If I walked around Dublin, what exactly are the effects of E that would I see? I would have thought them hard to discern, what with the visible effects of alcohol or hard drugs like heroin.

17-05-2015 06:23PM

Depraved wrote: »

No sympathy for adults/older teens who take recreational drugs. They are old enough to know the risks of ingesting/injection/smoking a substance of unknown quantity & content supplied to them by people who couldn't give a damn about their life/health.

That's not true at all. Its very bad for business if someone dies from your supply.

Grayson · 17-05-2015 06:26PM

Actually, just to add, there are risks even with pure MDMA but they're not that bad. MDMA is one of the few drugs that could be sold legally. A safe dose of MDMA would keep someone partying for a night, with minimal risks and would be rather cheap.

The problem for years that there are loads of derivatives that were sold. MDEA was the most common in Ireland. Similar high but the side effects are worse. And that includes the comedown/scag/whatever you call it.

Remember next to no-one has ever died tasking MDMA. Bad things happen when people take stuff they think is MDMA.

Anyone else remember the guy in Wicklow (I think it was there) who took some pills that were about 20% E and the rest was PCP. Because he wasn't getting a hit from the pills he took more and more. Problem is that PCP takes a lot longer to kick in that E. So he ended up trying to claw his own eyes out. It's nasty, nasty ****.

Lisha · 17-05-2015 06:27PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

You feel the same about alcohol?

I suspect he would not like to see a girl drinking pints either.

Cold War Kid · 17-05-2015 06:31PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Do you not see the contradiction in that statement?

On one hand you (correctly) point out the negative impact alcohol abuse has on this country, and then you advocate for legalising more harmful drugs. You only have to walk around Dublin City Centre to see the effects their ready availability has now.

I know this is AH, with a predominantly younger "cooler" more liberal crowd (and I'm only - almost - 40 myself) but legalising E and the rest isn't the answer either.

What effects in Dublin city centre? The problematic behaviour in Dublin city centre is down to alcohol and cocaine I'd have thought.
The thing about E is that it makes people non confrontational.

I cannot see a downside to legalisation of drugs - for one, they'd be safer.

Grayson · 17-05-2015 06:32PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

You feel the same about alcohol?

A single pill should get someone high for a few hours. On a full nights session most people would do between 2-4. Many would just do the one.
Doing three is the alcohol equivalent of necking a bottle of pure alcohol.

One disclaimer though. I knew a guy years ago who did far too many over far too long a time. You actually build a tolerance to this stuff. He used to take 4 at once. It was insane. In one night he'd do as many as my friends would as a group. We were the once every month or two kinda people. Big nights out planned in advance. He was the Monday, Wednesday, Friday kind of guy.

So there's always a chance this girl was doing them a long time and thought she needed three.

anncoates · 17-05-2015 06:32PM

Have to say it really takes particularly sad cases to use a probably drunk teenager, that - along with millions of others - exercised relatively poor judgement on a night out, as a platform for smug moralizing.

uck51js9zml2yt · 17-05-2015 06:33PM

Lia_lia wrote: »

I hope she'll be okay. Poor girl!

Hopefully this will be an eye-opener to other people her age (and any age) that take pills without checking what is in them.

Sad thing is that it won't be just like she never learned from previous scares.

Cold War Kid · 17-05-2015 06:35PM

Lilian Immense Sportswoman wrote: »

Sad thing is that it won't be just like she never learned from previous scares.

You can predict the future AND you know about past scares she experienced/learned about? That's pretty amazing.

Grayson · 17-05-2015 06:35PM

Cold War Kid wrote: »

What effects in Dublin city centre? The problematic behaviour in Dublin city centre is down to alcohol and cocaine I'd have thought.
The thing about E is that it makes people non confrontational.

I cannot see a downside to legalisation of drugs - for one, they'd be safer.

alcohol and opiates are the ones that you see on the streets of Dublin. Cocaine isn't actually physically addictive (I was surprised as **** what I read that). People on coke would prefer crowds. They feel like they are ****ing fantastic people and need a crowd to talk sh1te to.

MDMA is different. It makes people loved up. You are far more likely to be randomly hugged by a person on MDMA.

uck51js9zml2yt · 17-05-2015 06:37PM

Cold War Kid wrote: »

You can predict the future AND you know about past scares she experienced/learned about? That's pretty amazing.

Other scares of dangerous drugs and fatal results in recent momths didn't stop her from taking them. Equally people just think it won't happen them and we'll hear in another few months that someone else had taken dodgy pills.

17-05-2015 06:37PM

Those are the risks unfortunately

17-05-2015 06:38PM

Cold War Kid wrote: »

What effects in Dublin city centre? The problematic behaviour in Dublin city centre is down to alcohol and cocaine I'd have thought.
The thing about E is that it makes people non confrontational.

I cannot see a downside to legalisation of drugs - for one, they'd be safer.

I would never advocate legalisation of all drugs, just a declassification of E/MDMA and cannabis and a recognition that there are far more harmful drugs sold over the counters of pubs and pharmacies. I only criticise drug policy to that extent. I fully accept that hard drugs should not be legalised.

Cold War Kid · 17-05-2015 06:38PM

Grayson wrote: »

alcohol and opiates are the ones that you see on the streets of Dublin. Cocaine isn't actually physically addictive (I was surprised as **** what I read that). People on coke would prefer crowds. They feel like they are ****ing fantastic people and need a crowd to talk sh1te to.

Cocaine can make people aggressive in sufficient quantities and combined with alcohol though. This is documented. I wouldn't say it's that commonplace though.
Yeah I knew cocaine wasn't physically addictive, but like anything, it can be psychologically addictive.

the nikkei is rising · 17-05-2015 06:41PM

Schwiiing wrote: »

And thusly an adult and surely recieved some sort of drug education in school to know not to consume some unknown chemicals produced and supplied by some scumbags on the street.

'thusly' :rolleyes:

'Drug education in school' :rolleyes:

Grayson · 17-05-2015 06:42PM

Cold War Kid wrote: »

Cocaine can make people aggressive in sufficient quantities and combined with alcohol though. This is documented. I wouldn't say it's that commonplace though.
Yeah I knew cocaine wasn't physically addictive, but like anything, it can be psychologically addictive.

Because it gets rid of insecurities it's very psychologically addictive. It's also not surprising why so many celebs do it.

But like you said, my main point was that it's not something you'd see on the streets of dublin. The scumbags you see wandering around out of it are more likely to be on Heroin or cheap cider.

stimpson · 17-05-2015 06:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I would never advocate legalisation of all drugs, just a declassification of E/MDMA and cannabis and a recognition that there are far more harmful drugs sold over the counters of pubs and pharmacies. I only criticise drug policy to that extent. I fully accept that hard drugs should not be legalised.

I would argue that the harder the drug, the more reason for decriminalisation. The impurity of the drugs causes more harm than the drugs themselves.

Give clean heroin on prescription. Have regulated outlets for everything else. Put the money saved in the justice system toward harm reduction and addiction treatment. The system used for the past forty years hasn't worked. Let's try something else.

17-05-2015 06:43PM

Grayson wrote: »

MDMA is different. It makes people loved up. You are far more likely to be randomly hugged by a person on MDMA.

That's about it. The worst I have suffered at the hands of someone on E is some random stranger coming up and hugging me and pouring their sweat on me. I don't doubt that there are studies pointing to long term consequences, but I have never seen it produce the violence and harm that results from alcohol. The great irony of the Thatcher era clampdown on E was the results on football related violence, a big issue at the time, when fans of clubs like Milwall spoke of raves and hugging supporters of other clubs when for years alcohol had fuelled their hooliganism.

Schwiiing · 17-05-2015 06:44PM

the nikkei is rising wrote: »

'thusly' :rolleyes:

'Drug education in school' :rolleyes:

Your point? :rolleyes:

17-05-2015 06:45PM

stimpson wrote: »

I would argue that the harder the drug, the more reason for decriminalisation. The impurity of the drugs causes more harm than the drugs themselves.

Give clean heroin on prescription. Have regulated outlets for everything else. Put the money saved in the justice system toward harm reduction and addiction treatment. The system used for the past forty years hasn't worked. Let's try something else.

I take your point. It may well be something that should be considered in time. Right now, there is no huge hunger to see heroin legalised, I have yet to hear a good argument why E is criminalised in a society where every second ad is for alcohol.

the nikkei is rising · 17-05-2015 06:46PM

Schwiiing wrote: »

Your point? :rolleyes:

First was a desperate attempt to pump intelligence into a weak point, second betrayed your ignorance.

bodhrandude · 17-05-2015 06:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

That's about it. The worst I have suffered at the hands of someone on E is some random stranger coming up and hugging me and pouring their sweat on me. I don't doubt that there are studies pointing to long term consequences, but I have never seen it produce the violence and harm that results from alcohol. The great irony of the Thatcher era clampdown on E was the results on football related violence, a big issue at the time, when fans of clubs like Milwall spoke of raves and hugging supporters of other clubs when for years alcohol had fuelled their hooliganism.

The same in Northern Ireland too, E brought Catholics and Protestants together at the raves.

17-05-2015 06:48PM

bodhrandude wrote: »

The same in Northern Ireland too, E brought Catholics and Protestants together at the raves.

I hadn't heard that, but it wouldn't shock me. Lots of people who pontificate about cannabis and E haven't tried either, it's like a Catholic priest providing marriage guidance.

Collie D · 17-05-2015 06:49PM

anncoates wrote: »

Have to say it really takes particularly sad cases to use a probably drunk teenager, that - along with millions of others - exercised relatively poor judgement on a night out, as a platform for smug moralizing.

Well said. Regardless of your opinion on drugs this is a young girl we're talking about. Bit of ****ing empathy wouldn't go amiss

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