Cork GAA Discussion Thread

denishurley · 17-05-2015 04:38PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Did gunning play
How did Eoin moyinhan fair??
I rate him better than will kearney
How did dwayne lee play and cooper

Gunning came on for Gardiner with 15 mins left as Gardiner had a knock
Moynihan was good, played in midfield
Lee was only Piarsaigh forward not to score
Cooper was ineffective, moved to full-forward late on and got a point

ShamoBuc · 17-05-2015 04:51PM

SARS losing at ht 0-13 v 0-07

ShamoBuc · 17-05-2015 05:36PM

Sars game a draw 0-19 a piece, et

zetecescort · 17-05-2015 06:11PM

Newtown 29 Sars 27 FT

It makes sense · 17-05-2015 07:39PM

Was at Midleton v killeagh match Midleton won by a canter without having to play that well. Lehane got 10/11 points easy was exceptional from play and frees never missed a score, otherwise Aidan Ryan did ok Burke saw plenty of ball, O'Farrell could not get into the game for killeagh they tried hard best player imo was centre back Barry and two midfielders worked hard, game might do them good with players to come back from injury.

thinkstoomuch1 · 17-05-2015 07:43PM

Some huge surprises this opening weekend in the hurling but it's just what the championship needed it was becoming very stale and a few extra times shows its competitve at least
Some surprise for ballyhea to win and in the manner they did, a lot of credit to them and clem smith for now being safe this year and hurling in august.
Pa callaghan was meant to be very good, no surprise really.

The rookies it is hugely dissapointing for them with all their under age success to loose by that much, and Browne be fair got critsed last year as manager after ballymaryke so Murphy is bound to be asked questions
I will say in murphys favour I would not judge him too soon in he's record always was good so you tend on that note to believe they can turn it around
Playing the barrs or Douglas certainly be a huge game for them and win that there back hurling in august so I wouldn't rule them out yet and for a team building more games might benefit them
There a young team so tired legs won't be a problem

Great win for newton, with new management and there was never love lost between sarafields and themselves
Newtown like ballyhea needed the win more and sarafields having lost last year to Douglas but bounced back will feel they can do it again
Sarafields never have a good record in Fermoy

However this is bar a few exceptions a team imo with a lot of mileage and they will find it tougher this year in a tougher cork county
Certainly Bishopstown if they get a fully fit team can really test them
Nobody can debate whats sarafields won in cork but I hope there not winning again as cork championship needs a team that can win munster or at least win a first round and needs a new winner
Midelton at present would seem to have a team capable of winning cork and doing well in munster as Wallis has record winning in munster with teams

Midelton had a fine win without o mahonry and Peter dowling captain injured so they will be happy paticularly when Jamie nagle playing new half forward role with Seamus farell normally a back and o shea and aidan Ryan now gone from forwards to backs

Midelton certainly are the team to watch and with Wallis in charge they will take some stopping
On paper the rockies you would think are their main threat but after today it doesn't seem it however I wouldn't rule rockies out from a good championship just yet but there league form has been poor
Interesting local derby youghal v killeagh next should be a great game and a tough game to call

Good start to the championship but such is the imo poor structure that you can loose two games still get to fourth round it's still hard to say who will have good runs with any real certainly yet
Obviously the real winners was ballyhea with no relegation worries now like bride rovers also

Clyda rovers beaten again but only by two points to last year finalist in football with out few key players so you would expect them to win the next game and avoid relegation

They struggle panel depth wise
Nemo beat clonakikty in under twenty one football

thinkstoomuch1 · 17-05-2015 07:46PM

It makes sense wrote: »

Was at Midleton v killeagh match Midleton won by a canter without having to play that well. Lehane got 10/11 points easy was exceptional from play and frees never missed a score, otherwise Aidan Ryan did ok Burke saw plenty of ball, O'Farrell could not get into the game for killeagh they tried hard best player imo was centre back Barry and two midfielders worked hard, game might do them good with players to come back from injury.

How did landers play and eoghan kinerry for killeagh last year cork minor as I rate him highly

Did lehane stay at full forward or roam around
How was nagle at half back

youngbob · 17-05-2015 07:50PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Did gunning play
How did Eoin moyinhan fair??
I rate him better than will kearney
How did dwayne lee play and cooper

ollie dempsey cancelled dwayne lee.Eoin Moynihan did well but was up against little threat. Cooper tried well but like pushing a rock uphill. cooney in his wisdom moved him in FF where he has never played well, instead of midfield where he might have got on the ball more. I was at Midleton match earlier. they overcame Killeagh without coming out of 3rd gear. Youghal will have to up their game big time to trouble a hard working Killeagh team in next round.

youngbob · 17-05-2015 07:59PM

i was talking to a member of Cork squad today he thinks it will be touch & go for Harnedy to be ready in time for Thurles. any news on Cads

It makes sense · 17-05-2015 08:02PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

How did landers play and eoghan kinerry for killeagh last year cork minor as I rate him highly

Did lehane stay at full forward or roam around
How was nagle at half back

Landers struggled with his mobility could not get around the pitch and missed a few frees got a goal at the end from a 20 yard free, kinery looked dangerous when he got the ball but did not get enough of it killeagh played mostly a two man forward line with landers dropping did not work for me though. Nagle played wing forward did ok one nice score lehane corner forward first half second half he roamed but every time he got a bit of space score never looked like missing

thinkstoomuch1 · 17-05-2015 08:55PM

youngbob wrote: »

i was talking to a member of Cork squad today he thinks it will be touch & go for Harnedy to be ready in time for Thurles. any news on Cads

Talk last week from mcgrath was both be fine but harnedy injury is a serious one you would always be worried for
Both are huge players but you could replace cadogan to some degree there's no one to replace harnedy in he's leadership, hunger, drive, aggressive hurling and he's direct and the only forward capable of being a kk type win a ball break a few tackles and bury the net so he's huge loss as he's ball winning is crucial and he's type player if misses four you still feel safe if he had last puck game to win it for you
I hope he's fit as if out then it's huge huge worry for cork

Good news was cronin and o Neill all meant play well last night with lehane today so while huge step up in club to inter county the least you expect a player playing inter county soon is to perform in club scene as if he struggle club hard make a claim at inter county for the team
I'm glad cronin played well if he gets games and free injury I still feel he's something to offer cork and was always a big game player

sean mac · 17-05-2015 09:06PM

Real pity pa o Callaghan wont play for cork - best display of any hurler in cork this weekend. As for the rockies a club in denial and have been for years, eddie murphy has a good record but he isn't a miracle worker and the rockies have allowed a real softness infect their mentality, fellas winning minor not realisisng the step up to senior is a different world, could see them in real relegation trouble again. Lorcan mcloughlin went off with a serious shoulder injury for kanturk

Rebel norrie · 17-05-2015 09:09PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Talk last week from mcgrath was both be fine but harnedy injury is a serious one you would always be worried for
Both are huge players but you could replace cadogan to some degree there's no one to replace harnedy in he's leadership, hunger, drive, aggressive hurling and he's direct and the only forward capable of being a kk type win a ball break a few tackles and bury the net so he's huge loss as he's ball winning is crucial and he's type player if misses four you still feel safe if he had last puck game to win it for you
I hope he's fit as if out then it's huge huge worry for cork

Good news was cronin and o Neill all meant play well last night with lehane today so while huge step up in club to inter county the least you expect a player playing inter county soon is to perform in club scene as if he struggle club hard make a claim at inter county for the team
I'm glad cronin played well if he gets games and free injury I still feel he's something to offer cork and was always a big game player

Cronin played well last night. Got some great scores. Didn't think O Neill had such a good game. Did ok but allowed Dooley get a run on him for third goal which won the game. Kearney quite today. Newtown have 2 fine players in Twomey at centre back and O Mahony at half forward. Naughton was good. Coughlan got some nice points today.

thinkstoomuch1 · 17-05-2015 09:25PM

Rebel norrie wrote: »

Cronin played well last night. Got some great scores. Didn't think O Neill had such a good game. Did ok but allowed Dooley get a run on him for third goal which won the game. Kearney quite today. Newtown have 2 fine players in Twomey at centre back and O Mahony at half forward. Naughton was good. Coughlan got some nice points today.

Those two you mentioned are two young talents and twomey is under twenty one this year and is a very good hurler.

O mahony was always one to watch, in he stood out at senior the past two years and when as a sub last year he gave the great Darren mannix trouble in a game when he got ball which shows how good he is.
He's a key player for the minors and that's what you want lads playing minor able to stand out at senior in o mahony likely be marked by conor Sweeney who playing senior for south liberties at centre back but full for limerick
He has real cut about him in he'll win hard ball and we'll able for physical side but has fast hands and pace
I said before I think he could be Newtown best type similar player than mike Morrissey who would been excellent for cork bar a serious injury years ago v wexford in the league
He's strong like him and direct with ball in hand.

Cronin touch was poor last year so good it's better and more games he gets imo could be a good sub.
Coughlan does what he always does and once injury free should get a run with cork as a sub at least as he's very tenacious

I'm delighted to hear naughton do well, he's most natural club hurler skill wise alone in cork and is terrific at club level to watch.
He won't get a recall to the cork scene and to be fair it's a correct call as intercounty aggressive style hurling doesn't suit he's style but he could very well if he's club have a long run be one of the championship stand out players
Some may say he can offer cork something but it's important to keep in mind he's pace is always going to be a threat to sarafields lack pace in the half back line but against tipp or clare this world he's pace is countered and you need more than pace at intercounty.

thinkstoomuch1 · 17-05-2015 09:36PM

sean mac wrote: »

Real pity pa o Callaghan wont play for cork - best display of any hurler in cork this weekend. As for the rockies a club in denial and have been for years, eddie murphy has a good record but he isn't a miracle worker and the rockies have allowed a real softness infect their mentality, fellas winning minor not realisisng the step up to senior is a different world, could see them in real relegation trouble again. Lorcan mcloughlin went off with a serious shoulder injury for kanturk

That's a huge huge blow to cork in we have a real lack of depth at half back
Course sullivan leaving and kearney imo not great in cork have better means you loose option putting Mcdonnell back to half back
Putting Walsh to centre won't work either and you disrupt one aera to fix another
Nagle midelton should be included before, yes he playing half forward now but he's great under a high ball and certainly be a good sub

As for the rockies no way will they be relegated
It's still early with Murphy and if it was another coach I'd doubt they could turn it around but Murphy has done this before with clubs and he won't be long becoming hard task manager and dropping lads if he sees fit so they will come good imo
They have won all around them so you don't become a bad team over night
Yes under age is different but today I'm sure will see Murphy learn a lot from he's team
What makes Murphy etc and others good coaches compared to others is they normally learn from days like today and they rarely become a trait under there teams
I don't think rockies are that bad they need a miracle
This team is still extremely young so all they need is guidance and direction and only six months under Murphy still imo early days
Win the next day and there hurling in august

thinkstoomuch1 · 17-05-2015 09:47PM

sean mac wrote: »

Real pity pa o Callaghan wont play for cork - best display of any hurler in cork this weekend. As for the rockies a club in denial and have been for years, eddie murphy has a good record but he isn't a miracle worker and the rockies have allowed a real softness infect their mentality, fellas winning minor not realisisng the step up to senior is a different world, could see them in real relegation trouble again. Lorcan mcloughlin went off with a serious shoulder injury for kanturk

What type of shoulder injury do you know sean please??
As he tore shoulder ligaments up to clare game two years ago on the week of training and was out also so this sounds hugely worrying
He himself was only saying in interview how cork were weak defensive wise and injuries hindered team v Dublin.

sean mac · 17-05-2015 09:59PM

rumour that it could be dislocated which would probably rule him out for the Waterford game I would think

thinkstoomuch1 · 17-05-2015 11:35PM

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/questionsforsummer/

thinkstoomuch1 · 17-05-2015 11:39PM

sean mac wrote: »

rumour that it could be dislocated which would probably rule him out for the Waterford game I would think

Thanks sean
Massive loss he would be in he's sweeping ability is second to none and he's always a first receiver for Nash short puck out options which cork launch their attacks as he's distribution of ball is normally ist class.

thinkstoomuch1 · 18-05-2015 12:14AM

Declan Fitzgerald drom inch who are normally beaten by Thurles sarafields in big games and drom pushed them all the way last year last sixteen tie despite down to fourteen men for the majority of the game drew with the champions today

I said it before Fitzgerald is an outstanding coach and he can manage and coach and was with ul freshers when they won the all Ireland this year under him.

Currently with cork under fourteen hurlers imo he should be given a top job in the cork coaching structure and he's a fella I'd love to see at minor or under twenty one in a role
He is a Highly rated coach all over munster and still young but has huge experience with many teams
Cork should be trying to get these lads involved in teams if possible
Living in tipp I think he is but he still travels to coach the cork development team so travelling wise you would think wouldn't be a problem to coach cork teams.
Fitzgerald imo be ideal to be involved with any limerick team in a coaching role.

commonsense. · 18-05-2015 08:49AM

Hurleratheart wrote: »

Felt sadly Kerry better on night and deserved win although taught we'd steal with golden chance end of normal time

We have Faulous individuals - powter, Dinesen, Kingston but kerry had them to and more balance

Powter was wasted pin corner his attacking runs badly missed in first 40 mins - he was marking geaney but sacrifices his own game - when he came out he made difference

Best gameever ive seen Ryle and Shane Kingston not at his normal best but ball kept away from him and he still caring injury

Surely some future cork players in dis group

Taught Kerry kick passing superb , accurate and fierce comfortible on ball strong on break

Very dissapointing I suppose kerry coast to Munster now unless tipp shape up - dey will prob concentrate on hurling

Fair play to you HAH, for a hurling head you have a good grasp of the big ball game!!!!!
Agree with you, Kerry were the better team and just about deserved the win although we could have and probably should have snatched it right at the end of normal time with that great chance. Our defending was sloppy at times but particularly in the first period of extra time. The wind was a huge factor in the game and playing against it in the first half of extra time meant that we should have played the ultimate blanket defense for that 10 minutes. We didn't and were 3 down with second half of extra time to play. That meant we were always going to need a goal which duly arrived but unfortunately it wasn't enough.
I agree with your assessment of most of the players you mentioned. Powter in particular I thought had an outstanding 80 minutes despite being not allowed play his normal game. Ryle improved mid field when introduced and O'Duinnan, well 1 3 from play speaks for itself. Don't agree with you on Kingston though. He got special attention form the Kerry defense and was quiet in the first half. But he rose above it and I thought he showed his class from there on. His leveling point was outstanding. Mind you, it's been suggested that he should have been taken off earlier due to injury. Anybody who suggested that obviously wasn't at the game and are just relying on hearsay. Kingston went down with cramp and recieved assistance. He indicated he was ok to continue. He went down with cramp again about a minute later and was immediately replaced.
Great effort from Cork but games such as this are won and lost on small margins. Oh to have had home advantage for this one - it probably would have been enough to see us home.

Corcaigh Abu1 · 18-05-2015 09:44AM

massive blow if McLoughlin is out. who would replace him? they could move calahane to the wing and keep Ryan at FB, or bring on burke or put Walsh back? either way none will be as good as McLoughlin was at sweeping up in the HB line.

thinkstoomuch1 · 18-05-2015 10:58AM

commonsense. wrote: »

Fair play to you HAH, for a hurling head you have a good grasp of the big ball game!!!!!
Agree with you, Kerry were the better team and just about deserved the win although we could have and probably should have snatched it right at the end of normal time with that great chance. Our defending was sloppy at times but particularly in the first period of extra time. The wind was a huge factor in the game and playing against it in the first half of extra time meant that we should have played the ultimate blanket defense for that 10 minutes. We didn't and were 3 down with second half of extra time to play. That meant we were always going to need a goal which duly arrived but unfortunately it wasn't enough.
I agree with your assessment of most of the players you mentioned. Powter in particular I thought had an outstanding 80 minutes despite being not allowed play his normal game. Ryle improved mid field when introduced and O'Duinnan, well 1 3 from play speaks for itself. Don't agree with you on Kingston though. He got special attention form the Kerry defense and was quiet in the first half. But he rose above it and I thought he showed his class from there on. His leveling point was outstanding. Mind you, it's been suggested that he should have been taken off earlier due to injury. Anybody who suggested that obviously wasn't at the game and are just relying on hearsay. Kingston went down with cramp and recieved assistance. He indicated he was ok to continue. He went down with cramp again about a minute later and was immediately replaced.
Great effort from Cork but games such as this are won and lost on small margins. Oh to have had home advantage for this one - it probably would have been enough to see us home.

Kingston was meant to carrying an injury before this game so when he wasn't playing well to he's own high standards should be taken off as you don't risk him for hurling

You are right regards ryle and cork playing defensive ist ten minutes extra time but the fact ryle didn't even start and cork tactic was wrong imo who is responsible for that
Players don't pick the team or the game plan so management imo have to be questioned

This talk we'd won in cork no we wouldn't as kerry beat cork in cork last year and jack teams always find a way and at worst would drawn the game
Cork manager is outstanding club man wonderful servant cork football and was outstanding beara under twenty one and senior years ago county double champions and were unlucky the year after v Nemo in the county but it's surely valid to say twice to kerry and Dublin last year their team selection, tactics and game changes were questionable and to be fair had two years in charge surely another manager deserves a chance to manage cork

Sullivan has been involved with many minor teams so surely it's time for a new manager
As for mcloughlin cork abu he is if out a massive loss.

Connorzee · 18-05-2015 11:26AM

McLoughlin out of Waterford clash
18 May 2015

Cork's Lorcan McLoughlin. INPHO
Cork have suffered an injury blow ahead of their Munster SHC semi-final against Waterford with the news that Lorcan McLoughlin broke his collarbone last night.

McLoughlin is expected to out of action for several weeks after sutaining the injury whilst playing for Kanturk in their 1-13 to 1-16 county IHC loss to Castlelyons. He is definitely out of the June 7 showdown with the Deise, who were comfortable winners over Jimmy Barry-Murphy's men in the recent Allianz League final.

The Rebels are also preparing for their championship opener without another defender in Christopher Joyce, who suffered a cruciate ligament injury against Dublin at Croke Park in March.

Corcaigh Abu1 · 18-05-2015 11:28AM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Sullivan has been involved with many minor teams so surely it's time for a new manager
As for mcloughlin cork abu he is if out a massive loss.

Its reported that he broke his collar bone. this rules him out for weeks. cork have been very unlucky with injuries this year. big set back without Lorcan.

CORKDOUBLE · 18-05-2015 11:33AM

With Lorcan out along with Conor Sull, Egan and Chris Joyce ...thats almost a complete backline since the 13 final ....big worrys for the defence now ....i was in Tralee the last night and to lose by a point in extra time is very tough ...heard to blame anybody involved when you lose a match so tight ...When Ryle came on he was lucky enough with some of the fouls he commited on O Connor of Kerry he could on one tackle have got a black card ....maybe his discipline is not where it should right now and people close to the setup would know this ...i saw one mentor and one player point to there heads to Ryle suggesting to him to be use his head...i am not giving out about the lad as hopefully he will have a great future ...i also agree that a new manager at minor level is now needed ...but of course the right person.

Connorzee · 18-05-2015 11:34AM

Also, can anyone explain to me (either by PM or here) what the story with Pa O'Callaghan is? Why has he not been playing u21 with cork, and why isnt he on the senior panel? I havent seen him play myself in the last few years but reading reports he seems to be the standout underage player in the county, and the past weekend seems to compound that.

Do people who've seen him play think he could start with the seniors, or challenge for a sub spot?

thinkstoomuch1 · 18-05-2015 11:49AM

Connorzee wrote: »

Also, can anyone explain to me (either by PM or here) what the story with Pa O'Callaghan is? Why has he not been playing u21 with cork, and why isnt he on the senior panel? I havent seen him play myself in the last few years but reading reports he seems to be the standout underage player in the county, and the past weekend seems to compound that.

Do people who've seen him play think he could start with the seniors, or challenge for a sub spot?

No doubt this lad has the potential in touch pace scoring but also very athletic and can win aerial ball as shown in last year county final so he's huge potential
Until the time proves he does it at senior understandbly people will say it's just potential as he still needs to prove it but there's no doubt imo he would have a good chance of making it and would deserve a chance
To be fair he was asked by jbm but declined to play and jbm can't keep asking him
Up to the player now to show an interest

It's he's choice at the end of day to play or not to play
He will continue to play well with club so of course naturally people will mention cork

He isn't playing under twenty one either
If cork had a fit colm Spillane, himself, colm Barry, Michael sullivan who is back with tracton, John cronin Jamie nagle and of course Joyce and sullivan also their the panel would be very strong
Joyce won't be fit unfortunately
Barry I'm not sure if he recoverd from injury but if so I'd call him up the panel ASAP with colm Spillane and nagle
Cronin and sullivan should be called up also to train with doubts over harnedy injury
Conor sullivan should be begged to come back as if he comes back it frees up Mcdonnell to go to half back

Connorzee · 18-05-2015 01:14PM

Official Cork site saying now it's a dislocated shoulder.. If it's the same shoulder he injured before he'll need surgery (judging from him meeting a surgeon it probably is) etc. Probably wont see him for the rest of the summer. Big loss.

http://gaacork.ie/news/359727/lorc%C3%A1n_mc_loughlin-injury_update

Lorcán McLoughlin - injury update. Cork defender Lorcán McLoughlin sustained a dislocated shoulder playing with his club Kanturk in the county intermediate hurling championship last night. He is scheduled to meet his orthopaedic surgeon for further medical assessment. It is expected he will be unavailable for selection for the foreseeable future. We wish him well in his recovery.

thinkstoomuch1 · 18-05-2015 01:18PM

Corcaigh Abu1 wrote: »

Its reported that he broke his collar bone. this rules him out for weeks. cork have been very unlucky with injuries this year. big set back without Lorcan.

Cork website said he's out for the foreseeable future
That may mean he's out for the year
Huge huge blow and cork have real problems now
Egan was asked but didn't come back a few weeks ago
Cork have to add defenders and two at least as cahalane is struggling with injury also
If cork manage to beat Waterford but this is a huge blow in cork we all knew needed a full clear panel as we lack depth it's likely lorcan absence will be felt in other games
Huge blow to cork

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