Eircom fibre for direct to exchange news?

mass_debater · 16-05-2015 07:08AM

mailsanchu wrote: »

report on our problem
http://www.independent.ie/business/technology/news/broadband-dispute-leaves-100000-in-rural-towns-saddled-with-slow-internet-31227249.html

That's a bit of crazy made up reporting, Westport exchange is one of the trials and has had eVDSL since last summer

mailsanchu · 16-05-2015 11:09AM

mass_debater wrote: »

That's a bit of crazy made up reporting, Westport exchange is one of the trials and has had eVDSL since last summer

It is better to get some article on evdsl. I dont mind the town mentioned

ED E · 16-05-2015 11:49AM

Have to wonder if its really about degredation when they're already rolling it out, and more about BT losing 100% of their market share :pac:

tuxy · 16-05-2015 12:02PM

mass_debater wrote: »

It's 2km from the cab, but after 1800m you are better off on ADSL. It's only 1700m from the exchange if it's eVDSL.

You would think Eircom engineers would know this.

mass_debater · 16-05-2015 12:20PM

tuxy wrote: »

You would think Eircom engineers would know this.

They're only required to know this if they are working on eFibre, most of those techs left with Eircom are working on line faults, installs are all done by KN

ItHurtsWhenIP · 16-05-2015 06:26PM

mass_debater wrote: »

... most of those techs left with Eircom are working on line faults, installs are all done by KN

Actually KN are doing line faults too. They had a van outside my neighbours earlier this week working on the line (there's no new installs going on here).

ED E · 16-05-2015 06:57PM

The 360 strong recruitment drive over the next two years is likely a move to reverse that. Outsourcing isn't always king.

lucernarian · 17-05-2015 11:37AM

mass_debater wrote: »

There are exchanges all over the country set up and ready to go but are waiting on Comreg.
It's 2km from the cab, but after 1800m you are better off on ADSL. It's only 1700m from the exchange if it's eVDSL.

That's a sweeping statement, that couldn't be true in every situation. For instance, what if the cabinet was a couple of km or more away from the exchange??

mass_debater · 17-05-2015 11:47AM

lucernarian wrote: »

That's a sweeping statement, that couldn't be true in every situation. For instance, what if the cabinet was a couple of km or more away from the exchange??

It is true in all cases do far, cabinets are in urban areas with exchanges usually fitted with ADSL2+ up to 24mbit, after 1800m on VDSL the profile would be 7/1

ED E · 17-05-2015 12:02PM

mass_debater wrote: »

It is true in all cases do far, cabinets are in urban areas with exchanges usually fitted with ADSL2+ up to 24mbit, after 1800m on VDSL the profile would be 7/1

Nope.

Lucers right here. Take people living just south of Maynooth, 4km loop to the exchange (far north of town), 1800m from the cab, could well manage 12_1 after vectoring vs 3-4Mb ADSL.

lucernarian · 17-05-2015 12:44PM

mass_debater wrote: »

It is true in all cases do far, cabinets are in urban areas with exchanges usually fitted with ADSL2+ up to 24mbit, after 1800m on VDSL the profile would be 7/1

That makes no sense as a justification, 1800m from a cabinet could be much better on VDSL than 4500m from an exchange on ADSL2. (And at that distance with eircom, they'd be left with ADSL1 anyway).

dbit · 18-05-2015 08:36AM

mass_debater wrote: »

That's a bit of crazy made up reporting, Westport exchange is one of the trials and has had eVDSL since last summer

Jaysus , first piece of publicity i have seen on this topic well over a year gone .

mailsanchu · 18-05-2015 09:32AM

dbit wrote: »

Jaysus , first piece of publicity i have seen on this topic well over a year gone .

I agree.

joe_99 · 18-05-2015 10:07AM

Wesport was only partially enabled as part of the trial just 1 cable i understand

ED E · 18-05-2015 10:14AM

Would make sense considering its been "in progress" not complete for ages. And introducing VDSL tones onto one main cable and not the rest from the same MDF would be exactly the kinda test COMREG would want for their analysis.

mailsanchu · 18-05-2015 05:11PM

ED E wrote: »

Would make sense considering its been "in progress" not complete for ages. And introducing VDSL tones onto one main cable and not the rest from the same MDF would be exactly the kinda test COMREG would want for their analysis.

Evdsl is getting noticed

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/comms/item/42088-100k-homes-and-businesses/

dbit · 18-05-2015 06:04PM

Yup got this today off the twitter response :-
Further update: Macroom EVDSL is well advanced and will be launched this summer http://fibrerollout.ie/where-and-when/ <

oh that old thing lulz.

tuxy · 18-05-2015 06:11PM

Could vdsl from the exchange actually make things worse for Eircom customers? Eircoms network seems to be heavily congested in some areas as it is. Wouldn't trying to increase speed for many people actually make this worse?

Does vdsl bypass the congestion that adsl customers have to deal with?

ED E · 18-05-2015 06:21PM

tuxy wrote: »

Could vdsl from the exchange actually make things worse for Eircom customers? Eircoms network seems to be heavily congested in some areas as it is. Wouldn't trying to increase speed for many people actually make this worse?

Does vdsl bypass the congestion that adsl customers have to deal with?

Different topologies/protocols.

ADSL customers use PPPoE over ATM back to a central RAS server in a regional hub, VDSL customers use IPoE that terminates at the local exchange and routes from there. This is part of the reason why latency on VDSL is lower.

Uptake of fibre should reduce subscriber numbers on all the ADSL kit and can improve things there, but could in theory congest core network links, but NGA has shown to be totally over-provisioned so far so I doubt they've done something stupid like allowing that.

dbit · 18-05-2015 06:31PM

ED E wrote: »

Would make sense considering its been "in progress" not complete for ages. And introducing VDSL tones onto one main cable and not the rest from the same MDF would be exactly the kinda test COMREG would want for their analysis.

Yes there has been a slow let, campaign im sure of it, im seeing my attenuation go down ( thought it was better to go upwards)

The api call thingy is showing weird outputs ( Thinking its being worked on quite a bit in some areas. going on and off line more than me on boards)

I would stab a guess that the gear is all in place waiting the go ahead to plug people in , What say you ED ?. ( I know you have a leg in there somehow)

im back to this again , Ich bin Ein Berliner!
{"error":"Line Unknown","xbc":false,"xec":false,"xfc":false,"xrc":false,"inga":false,"ingb":false,"phase":"NGA_DONUT","phone":"666-66666","validationType":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":true,"ina":false

ED E · 18-05-2015 06:47PM

I've no info, can only postulate.

They've launched 50 odd EVDSL exchanges in what, 2 months? Thats Usain Bolt speeds when it comes to telcos. They're heaving to for sure. One of the other posters said they'd heard from eircoms field lads that there were racks sitting in situe before this started, so that means eircom did at least some prep work. There are rules that they have to give a month or two's notice to the other operators before releasing stuff, so after comreg said yes they may have plonked them all out and said "a month from now this all goes live".

Was MRM on BK's leaked list? If it was then at the current rate they should get to you very soon, assuming no hiccups.

Everyone was hammering the prequal API so Im not surprised it went belly up intermittently, doubt they ever expected that much traffic to it. It'll tell you as soon as theyve commissioned the racks and rated the lines.

dbit · 18-05-2015 06:52PM

Lol think it might be just me . lol . Yes im sure MRM was on that leaked list . Plus the twitter response i got from Eircom wholesale seems promising. I should start calling it the prequal widget , I just cant do it.

Hibrasil · 18-05-2015 11:44PM

bk wrote: »

Ok, some really good news, I've heard that eVDSL has gotten the go ahead and that the following exchanges will go live on the 18/03/2014:

AFD1
CRT1
LCN1
RUY1
ASN1
CRW1
LHA1
SAN1
BBS1
CTY1
LKD1
SHN1
BCA1
CVN1
MAH1
SKS1
BDT1
DBN1
MGN1
SND1
BLP1
DBT1
MGR1
SRL1
BMN1
DGS1
MHZ1
STN1
BRN2
DNN1
MNT1
THS1
BSE1
DNU1
MSN1
TLR1
BTE1
DSN1
MYN1
TRM1
BUO1
FBK1
NAS1
TWV1
BWM1
FNG1
NWT1
VGA1
CAB1
FOX1
OGT1
WAL1
CEL1
GMR1
PGS1
WST1
CHD1
GRS1
PMK1
CLS1
ISL1
PRP1
CLT1
KDN1
RCL1
CNR1
KGN1
RSL1
CPH1
KLO1
RTD1
CRL1
KME1
RUS1

MRM not on this list (I think)

dbit · 19-05-2015 07:59AM

Might not be on the list but the MRM exchange is appearing the same as the others in the recent spate of Blue. Also eircom Wholesale tweeted to say it will be running this summer from MRM. All is well interested to see what the adsl @ 17MB will run at on evdsl with lower frequency.

MediaHaul · 19-05-2015 11:23AM

dbit wrote: »

Might not be on the list but the MRM exchange is appearing the same as the others in the recent spate of Blue. Also eircom Wholesale tweeted to say it will be running this summer from MRM. All is well interested to see what the adsl @ 17MB will run at on evdsl with lower frequency.

This is the boat I am in dbit. 16/17 on adsl = 12 on vdsl it seems for me connected to CEL1. Not worth the change to fibre.

*prays for FTTH soon*

dbit · 19-05-2015 11:33AM

MediaHaul wrote: »

This is the boat I am in dbit. 16/17 on adsl = 12 on vdsl it seems for me connected to CEL1. Not worth the change to fibre.

*prays for FTTH soon*

I am not so sure that is an accurate estimation , other side is we dont know how much freq we will operate on as they can turn that up ?? 2.xx mhz versus 17.x in cabs doesnt sound good to be honest .

ED E · 19-05-2015 12:00PM

eVDSL is operating just like unvectored FTTC, its not nuked like that old COMREG doc hinted.

dbit · 19-05-2015 02:23PM

Well i wont accept 12 MB from evdsl , i will be stipulating that to eircom upon signup , that if the speeds are not satisfactory im off.

guil · 19-05-2015 04:48PM

dbit wrote: »

Well i wont accept 12 MB from evdsl , i will be stipulating that to eircom upon signup , that if the speeds are not satisfactory im off.

What are your stats like? Trying to compare mine to others getting 17mb on adsl.

dbit · 19-05-2015 07:06PM

I have just checked a guy in Mitchelstown line he was on 12 MB ADSL , is now 300-400 meters from his cab , line prequal says 12MB max adsl or ngb , possibly he was direct fed as the results seem strange :-

{"aaa":"1234567","ccb":"018","eee":"MSN","xbc":true,"xec":true,"xfc":true,"xrc":true,"inga":true,"ingb":true,"maxHSI":"90M_20M_R","maxNGB":"12M_672K_RH","maxNRA":"80M_20M_FR","maxHSIServiceCode":"FCBPS","maxNGBServiceCode":"BMBS24M","maxNRAServiceCode":"FCBPS","phone":"xxx-xxxx","validationType":"phone","completed":true,"partialAddresses":[],"isRedCustomer":false,"ina":false}

He is getting 50/20 now.

Eircom fibre for direct to exchange news?

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