State stops funding for catholic marriage courses

Chijj · 15-05-2015 12:17AM

I swindled the NSA wrote: »

Is there not a good library near you ? I could wait for it to go out of copyright and post the entire chapter up here but the mods are a bit funny about bumping zombie threads....You've asked for evidence and Ive pointed you in the right direction now the onus is on you to rebutt it.

That's a god damn weak reply (pardon the pun)

How can someone make a rebuttal without having acess to the source they wish to reply to ?

Edit: Just to clarify I care very little about the marriage course funding

Kiwi in IE · 15-05-2015 12:26AM

haveringchick wrote: »

Why on earth would anyone whose not a Catholic want to get married in a Catholic church.
Sure that person wwould just be a hypocrite.
And why do you think that the Catholic church should marry people who don't want to meet their conditions?
You do know it's not an automatic entitlement?
You can get married now in nearly every hotel. Sure whate. wrong with that?

Nothing wrong with it at all! That is exactly what I did. And sure the Catholic church can put whatever prerequisites it likes on marriage in its church. But the question is, why is taxpayers money used to fund those prerequisites?

I swindled the NSA · 15-05-2015 12:30AM

How can someone make a rebuttal without having acess to the source they wish to reply to ?

I was asked for a source and provided one (even though this isint Wikipedia). Not the most accessible source in the world granted but accessible enough if one has the inclination.

Now Im off to bed.

Sleepy · 15-05-2015 12:57PM

The more stories I hear of waste such as this, the more I'm convinced I could turn the budget deficit into a surplus after an afternoon of looking at the accounts.

The catholic church owes the nation of Ireland MILLIONS for it's part in the clerical abuse scandals and we're still giving them money?!

Míshásta · 15-05-2015 01:35PM

The state gives funding for services provided by all kinds of groups,: religious, community, sports, charity organizations, etc.

When the pre-marriage courses were first set up it was looked upon as a very positive and progressive move, as there had been a lot of criticism of couples rushing into marriage without adequate preparation.

I did one of those courses many years ago, mostly because it was mandatory. However I found it well worth while. Most of the advice was of a practical nature., budgetary control, child rearing, sharing house duties, dealing with disputes, etc.

We all went for a drink after the last session and the overall response of the other couples was that it was very helpful.

I can't remember clearly the religious advice given, but as far as I do remember it was of a general nature and didn't lay down any specific prohibition or rules on birth control.

If the Church didn't provide this service there would probably be demands for a fully state run system which would result in a very much more expensive bureaucratic semi-state body.

More than one poster stated that any courses should be non-biased and non-judgemental. We all have our own biases and judgemental systems even if they are based on non-religious convictions.

floggg · 15-05-2015 01:54PM

haveringchick wrote: »

So uou want yo bring in a British organisation to counsel Irish married couples, you want to deny any couples who would like pre-marriage counselling and you don't think that a couple standing. In front of their closest friends and family solemnly vowing to accept any children that God gives them and raise those children according to the rules of the Catholic church are pure hypocrites unless they both believe it and intend to practice it?

I would like a secular organisation to do it.

Nobody is denying them counselling - they just aren't going to pay for it.

They probably just want the fancy venue. And I'm sure they are cool breaking promises to God if they don't believe in him.

State stops funding for catholic marriage courses

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