State stops funding for catholic marriage courses

shane7218 · 14-05-2015 04:13PM #1

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/referendum/state-stops-funding-for-catholic-marriage-courses-31218125.html#

Why was the state funding marriage courses using tax payer's money for a religious organisation :mad:

Anyone else think its about time they started paying tax as well ?

The_Valeyard · 14-05-2015 04:21PM

shane7218 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/referendum/state-stops-funding-for-catholic-marriage-courses-31218125.html#

Why was the state funding marriage courses using tax payer's money for a religious organisation :mad:

Anyone else think its about time they started paying tax as well ?

No. They haven't. They have only reduced it. And it's only a conincidence, it has nothing to do with the referendum.

shane7218 · 14-05-2015 04:21PM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

No. They haven't. They have only reduced it. And it's only a conincidence, it has nothing to do with the referendum.

Yeah but my point is why were they getting funding in the first place? Its ridiculous

kneemos · 14-05-2015 04:22PM

It's a hundred odd quid with fifteen or twenty attending.
It more than pays for itself.
Plus the organisation is run by volunteers apparently.

There's also the issue of a Catholic based programme running a course for multiple denominations and none.

Call me Al · 14-05-2015 04:29PM

kneemos wrote: »

It's a hundred odd quid with fifteen or twenty attending.
It more than pays for itself.
Plus the organisation is run by volunteers apparently.

There's also the issue of a Catholic based programme running a course for multiple denominations and none.

I was just about to say exactly this.

What funding do they need from the state considering the fees they charge and the numbers who take the course, as well as the fact that those giving the courses are volunteers.
Surely renting premises isn't that expensive?
Is it advertising costs? But even then it wouldn't be that expensive.

haveringchick · 14-05-2015 04:33PM

shane7218 wrote: »

Yeah but my point is why were they getting funding in the first place? Its ridiculous

Who do you think should get funded taxpayers Euros for marriage guidance counselling?

shane7218 · 14-05-2015 04:35PM

haveringchick wrote: »

Who do you think should get funded taxpayers Euros for marriage guidance counselling?

Not the Cataloic church that's for sure. Most only do it because they are forced if they want a religious wedding and have to pay for something that is run by volunteers

omega666 · 14-05-2015 04:36PM

shane7218 wrote: »

Yeah but my point is why were they getting funding in the first place? Its ridiculous

Why is it ridiculous?
Taxpayers money goes to fund service used by taxpayers.

Generic Dreadhead · 14-05-2015 04:37PM

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE - 14/05/15

Happy now? it's done

shane7218 · 14-05-2015 04:38PM

Cormac... wrote: »

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE - 14/05/15

Happy now? it's done

:rolleyes:

darkpagandeath · 14-05-2015 05:04PM

omega666 wrote: »

Why is it ridiculous?
Taxpayers money goes to fund service used by taxpayers.

Religion is a service ?

Lollipops23 · 14-05-2015 05:07PM

These pre-marriage course are a cod anyway. Especially when the advice is being given by someone who lives a celibate life.

Mesrine65 · 14-05-2015 05:38PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

These pre-marriage course are a cod anyway. Especially when the advice is being given by someone who lives a celibate life.

Or do they?

El Weirdo · 14-05-2015 05:44PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

These pre-marriage course are a cod anyway. Especially when the advice is being given by someone who lives a celibate life.

I was under the impression that it was lay people who gave the courses.

Galwayguy35 · 14-05-2015 05:51PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

These pre-marriage course are a cod anyway. Especially when the advice is being given by someone who lives a celibate life.

Well if you're not Catholic or don't intend to get married in a church you can rest easy, it won't affect you.

Magico Gonzalez · 14-05-2015 06:14PM

Is the Catholic church short of a few quid? Dont they have more money than the Irish state? Why the hell are we paying for their marriage course?

As an aside, I did the "mixed religion one",for the benefit of my OH and her family. It was fine, no big deal. Nothing controversial. Pretty sure the Catholic church should have paid for it. It was on their premises, no food was provided so the only cost should have been materials?

Pumpkinseeds · 14-05-2015 06:31PM

Are those courses still compulsory if you want a church wedding

:eek: They are totally irrelevant to modern life. Most couples live together and manage a home and they know what the reality of marriage will be, so there is no need for anyone to put them through a course to prove that they are compatible or whatever the hell the point of the course is. If they are compulsory they shouldn't be. If they are compulsory then regardless of what the cost is the various churches insisting on them should charge the couples for them.

diomed · 14-05-2015 06:43PM

I heard it was funding those courses that caused the national debt.

omega666 · 14-05-2015 06:55PM

Regarding the pre-marriage course. People seem to be clueless over what they are about. It's run by Lay people who talk about their own marriage and go through stuff like how to help make a marriage work,how to deal with anger and conflict in the marriage, family planning, how to prepare for children, how to prepare for your wedding day.

It's not some priest preaching to a room full of people over how to be a good catholic!

haveringchick · 14-05-2015 06:59PM

shane7218 wrote: »

Not the Cataloic church that's for sure. Most only do it because they are forced if they want a religious wedding and have to pay for something that is run by volunteers

Why on earth would anyone whose not a Catholic want to get married in a Catholic church.
Sure that person wwould just be a hypocrite.
And why do you think that the Catholic church should marry people who don't want to meet their conditions?
You do know it's not an automatic entitlement?
You can get married now in nearly every hotel. Sure whate. wrong with that?

bee06 · 14-05-2015 07:03PM

omega666 wrote: »

Regarding the pre-marriage course. People seem to be clueless over what they are about. It's run by Lay people who talk about their own marriage and go through stuff like how to help make a marriage work,how to deal with anger and conflict in the marriage, family planning, how to prepare for children, how to prepare for your wedding day.

It's not some priest preaching to a room full of people over how to be a good catholic!

Yep, very true. The only mention of religion in my course was the guy telling us that if you don't get on with the priest for your wedding don't be afraid to switch to someone you get on with.

Joe prim · 14-05-2015 07:07PM

Those courses are very important, a lot of people down the country wouldn't know how to go about the bould thing without getting a few hints from the PP or his partner ( err.....I mean the curate)

I swindled the NSA · 14-05-2015 07:33PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Well if you're not Catholic a taxpayer or don't intend to get married in a church you can rest easy, it won't affect you.

FYP

haveringchick · 14-05-2015 07:33PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

These pre-marriage course are a cod anyway. Especially when the advice is being given by someone who lives a celibate life.

Your all wrong there.
The courses are given by married couples.
My Aunt and uncle did it for years.

haveringchick · 14-05-2015 07:36PM

I swindled the NSA wrote: »

FYP

Well what group do you think should get the funding to run marriage guidance and pre marriage courses?

Lollipops23 · 14-05-2015 07:38PM

omega666 wrote: »

Why is it ridiculous?
Taxpayers money goes to fund service used by taxpayers.

haveringchick wrote: »

Your all wrong there.
The courses are given by married couples.
My Aunt and uncle did it for years.

My mate did (about 3 years ago) and it was the parish priest with a few "lay people".

Either way it's so condescending to have them "teach" about marriage. It's not as if most people getting married are kids who haven't thought the commitment through.

vickers209 · 14-05-2015 07:39PM

Why is the state funding them when they charge €200 to do the course in Dublin with 15 couples which us €3000 per class they run

I had to do one a few weeks ago and it was a waste of my time and my money!!

I swindled the NSA · 14-05-2015 07:39PM

haveringchick wrote: »

Well what group do you think should get the funding to run marriage guidance ?

Relate ?

haveringchick wrote: »

and pre marriage courses?

Nobody !

haveringchick wrote: »

Why on earth would anyone whose not a Catholic want to get married in a Catholic church.

Marriages usually tend to involve two people

haveringchick · 14-05-2015 07:43PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

My mate did (about 3 years ago) and it was the parish priest with a few "lay people".

Either way it's so condescending to have them "teach" about marriage. It's not as if most people getting married are kids who haven't thought the commitment through.

Well if your "mate" didn't want a Catholic wedding then why was he or she having a Catholic wedding? It's not as if they didn't have a choice.
If you want a Catholic wedding uou have to meet their requirements or go elsewhere.

haveringchick · 14-05-2015 07:55PM

I swindled the NSA wrote: »

Relate ?

Nobody !

Marriages usually tend to involve two people

So uou want yo bring in a British organisation to counsel Irish married couples, you want to deny any couples who would like pre-marriage counselling and you don't think that a couple standing. In front of their closest friends and family solemnly vowing to accept any children that God gives them and raise those children according to the rules of the Catholic church are pure hypocrites unless they both believe it and intend to practice it?

bjork · 14-05-2015 08:02PM

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

A............Most couples live together and manage a home and they know what the reality of marriage will be, so there is no need for anyone to put them through a course to prove that they are compatible ...........................

Lollipops23 wrote: »

............................. It's not as if most people getting married are kids who haven't thought the commitment through.

and that is why the divorce rate is 0. Without the pre marriage course, it would probably be 1%

State stops funding for catholic marriage courses

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