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Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

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  • #2522
    StewartGriffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    endacl wrote: »
    He didn't arrive with any built in prejudices. Kids are nice that way.

    Whhoooooshhh!!!! Think something just went over your head there Enda.


  • #2523
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    A man named Anthony Kelly just gave a powerfully moving interview on Newstalk, relating to this article in the Indo today. More of him please, a lovely speaker. http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/referendum/if-my-wonderful-mam-was-with-us-today-shed-be-knocking-down-doors-campaigning-for-yes-vote-31220862.html


  • #2524
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    Mentioned it to my four year old. He didn't know what the hell I was talking about.

    Course he didnt. Sure his parents are terrified of gay people.


    Cue "i know loads of gay people" retort.


  • #2525
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    I'm not going to support putting stuff in the constitution that shouldn't be there.

    That is a completely different thing to 'I'm voting No because I don't think marriage should be in the Constitution' which is what you said.

    Marriage is already in the Constitution so do you mean you don't want SSM to be in the Constitution - be honest Roger and don't spin it as something it isn't.


  • #2526
    Merry Prankster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭Merry Prankster


    osarusan wrote: »
    I don't see how you can possibly reconcile the two parts of that sentence.

    I do see them as equal, but I don't want them to have equality.

    "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others".


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  • #2527
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    Mentioned it to my four year old. He didn't know what the hell I was talking about.

    Yeah? It's not hard to explain. My child has been aware that couples are sometimes male/male or female/female for at least 2 years now.


  • #2528
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    Whhoooooshhh!!!!

    Not really. Just an observation...


  • #2529
    StewartGriffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    Course he didnt. Sure his parents are terrified of gay people.


    Cue "i know loads of gay people" retort.

    No, he's actually severely disabled.

    How dare you make a personal attack on my child!!


  • #2530
    mickstupp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭mickstupp


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    I'm not going to support putting stuff in the constitution that shouldn't be there.
    So instead you're voting to keep stuff in there that keeps inequality... are you saying inequality should be in there?


  • #2531
    frostyjacks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    But you don't actually ask?

    Why not?

    It's too depressing to think of children growing up without a father.


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  • #2532
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    No, he's actually severely disabled.

    How dare you make a personal attack on my child!!

    Sorry for your troubles but is that not a really insensitive thing to ask a severely disabled 4 year old child if even his supposed able bodied/able-minded father cannot cop to it?


  • #2533
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    No, he's actually severely disabled.

    How dare you make a personal attack on my child!!

    I'll just remind you here that you brought your own child into it to make a sarcastic comment in reply to my post.


  • #2534
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    It's too depressing to think of children growing up without a father.

    If only life and people were perfect.

    :(


  • #2535
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    endacl wrote: »
    Very Irish answer. Take the ring road around the question...

    Well, it's a very Irish question that is being asked. I think there is very little understanding of what a constitution is actually for. The constitution should simply state that all people be treated equally under the law, and those laws should be passed by the Oireactas.
    The constitution is already polluted with rubbish that should not be there. What is the point of adding to it?


  • #2536
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,937 ✭✭✭galljga1


    endacl wrote: »
    He didn't arrive with any built in prejudices. Kids are nice that way.

    Don't worry, he's only four, plenty of time to fcuk him up.


  • #2537
    StewartGriffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    Sorry for your troubles but is that not a really insensitive thing to ask a severely disabled 4 year old child if even his supposed able bodied/able-minded father cannot cop to it?

    Didn't ask him anything. What would I ask him? I was just talking. Why do you feel a need to attack me?


  • #2538
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    Didn't ask him anything. What would I ask him? I was just talking. Why do you feel a need to attack me?

    Yeah! Stop bullying no voters.

    :mad:


  • #2539
    StewartGriffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    I'll just remind you here that you brought your own child into it to make a sarcastic comment in reply to my post.

    I wasn't referring to you, hence why I quoted another post, see it above my comment.You'll get the hang of this place yet.


  • #2540
    StewartGriffin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,284 ✭✭✭StewartGriffin


    endacl wrote: »
    Yeah! Stop bullying no voters.

    :mad:

    Oh! I'm leaving now. Leaving the country cos no one loves me here.

    Goodbye cruel world!


  • #2541
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,937 ✭✭✭galljga1


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    It's too depressing to think of children growing up without a father.


    The award for ridiculous post of the day.....or maybe it's too early to close nominations on this thread.


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  • #2542
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    It's too depressing to think of children growing up without a father.

    Are you sure it's not because you know it would be rude and crass and you would get a feed of abuse?


  • #2543
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,539 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    frostyjacks wrote: »
    It's too depressing to think of children growing up without a father.
    Well that's going to happen regardless of the outcome of the vote.


  • #2544
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    Didn't ask him anything. What would I ask him? I was just talking. Why do you feel a need to attack me?

    Ok.
    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    Mentioned it to my four year old. He didn't know what the hell I was talking about.

    You spoke to him about the referendum. He didnt know what you were on about. You used him to dilute a conversation between two other posters about their children's incredulous response to the referendum.

    Here's an attack: you're a sad man.


  • #2545
    Tenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38 ✭Tenz


    Probably been asked on here already, but would really appreciate someone answering this.

    If all the legislative differences between civil partnership and marriage were ammended (i.e. making 'marriage' and 'civil partnership' different only in their gender makeup, but equal in all other respects), would you still campaign for another referendum to introduce SSM. If yes, why?


  • #2546
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    I'm not going to support putting stuff in the constitution that shouldn't be there.

    Would it not be better in this instance not to vote?


  • #2547
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,169 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Well, it's a very Irish question that is being asked. I think there is very little understanding of what a constitution is actually for. The constitution should simply state that all people be treated equally under the law, and those laws should be passed by the Oireactas.
    The constitution is already polluted with rubbish that should not be there. What is the point of adding to it?

    The problem is that an Act of the Oireachtas can be repealed/replaced by another one, without a referendum. If, gods forbid, marriage equality was passed by an Act of the Oireachtas (or at least civil partnerships were made truly equal to marriage in all but name), if there's a sizeable contingent of TDs elected to the next Dáil who oppose marriage equality and have wet dreams about 1940s Ireland (*COUGH* Ronan Mullen *COUGH*) and they're needed to form a majority coalition, they could make the repeal of marriage equality/"separate but equal" civil partnerships a red line issue for forming a government.

    And of course, they'd probably want another referendum to overturn the X Case.


  • #2548
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    Tenz wrote: »
    Probably been asked on here already, but would really appreciate someone answering this.

    If all the legislative differences between civil partnership and marriage were ammended (i.e. making 'marriage' and 'civil partnership' different only in their gender makeup, but equal in all other respects), would you still campaign for another referendum to introduce SSM. If yes, why?

    Yes I would. A club that excludes is still an exclusive club. Fair enough in golf (if a bit sad), but unacceptable in society.

    I'd be in favour of extending the option of civil partnership to straight couples, btw.


  • #2549
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Tenz wrote: »
    Probably been asked on here already, but would really appreciate someone answering this.

    If all the legislative differences between civil partnership and marriage were ammended (i.e. making 'marriage' and 'civil partnership' different only in their gender makeup, but equal in all other respects), would you still campaign for another referendum to introduce SSM. If yes, why?

    It still would not be same thing because a civil partnership only has legal protection, a marriage has legal and Constitutional protection. Also, if all legislative difference could be amended, why would it be appropriate to have 'same but different' partnership for gay people which would still not be classified as marriage? Essentially it's still a form of segregation.


  • #2550
    SireOfSeth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭SireOfSeth


    StewartGriffin wrote: »
    Mentioned it to my four year old. He didn't know what the hell I was talking about.

    Most of the time you don't make sense to us either :)


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  • #2551
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,878 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    No we should be content to be second class citizens in our country all the while you can be sure we will be taxed equally. Have you no capacity for human empathy?

    You are not second class citizens in your country. Your relationship however is held by the constitution to be inferior to that of a heterosexual one.


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