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Communion season in full flow...parents question

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  • #62
    zeffabelli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭zeffabelli


    gravehold wrote: »
    Goverment should offer to buy all the churches buildings and land from them so.

    Yep.

    Although you might investigate through what extortions they obtained that money in the first place.


  • #63
    gravehold
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    zeffabelli wrote: »
    Yep.

    Problem is government doesn't have the cash so will never happen, the state need the chruch to keep running the schools


  • #64
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    gravehold wrote: »
    Then you drive to the nearest non Catholic school that will accept you. Although the et in my area is pretty much a muslim school in all but name.

    Why should you? When I was in school everyone came from the same area, all my friends were local the way it should be. The kids in my son's class are from all over, only 2 are local because it's an ET and parents have to travel outside their locality - and in a few cases their county - to get an education. It's a joke.

    Religion is a lifestyle choice. If it means that much to you then you and your church should take responsibility for it. Schools are meant to be places of education.


  • #65
    YurOK2
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    I'm not a parent and not sure if I ever will be. My husband and I did not get married in a church and we are not religious in any way so I have no intention of forcing my child into the catholic church or any other religion for that matter.

    Any parent I've known has done the christening/communion/confirmation thing just because it's what is expected and everyone else is doing it. A lot of people have the church wedding - christening - communion - confirmation and outside of those occasions, they don't step foot inside a church so what's the point at all?
    I work with 5 women, all of them are mothers, none of them are religious but when the various church occasions have come around they've all bitched and moaned about having to attend mass for a few months beforehand to play the part and then the minute the occasion is done with mass is forgotten about.
    These occasions don't mean anything to them, if they did, you could actually have some respect for them.
    Of course when they hear me talk about not having any potential child of mine involved with the church I'm the worst in the world and making life difficult for the child and what will my parents think etc.

    And I agree with the above, a school is a place for education, there is no place for religion. If parents want their children involved with a religion then the catholic church should set up sunday schools for them or something like that.


  • #66
    groucho marx
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    Why do you even care what others do, you look after what's going on in your house and let others look after theirs. Surprises me why people are so bothered by what others do.


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  • #67
    Baggy Trousers
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    groucho marx wrote: »
    Why do you even care what others do, you look after what's going on in your house and let others look after theirs. Surprises me why people are so bothered by what others do.

    Most of the discussion has been about schools. They are open to the public.


  • #68
    gravehold
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    Why should you? When I was in school everyone came from the same area, all my friends were local the way it should be. The kids in my son's class are from all over, only 2 are local because it's an ET and parents have to travel outside their locality - and in a few cases their county - to get an education. It's a joke.

    Religion is a lifestyle choice. If it means that much to you then you and your church should take responsibility for it. Schools are meant to be places of education.

    Ask the government to setup more religious free schools don't ask for the chruch to just give theirs away cause you don't like them.

    Problem is the government can't afford to do that. So stop complaining the chruch are helping educate children for free


  • #69
    zeffabelli
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    gravehold wrote: »
    Ask the government to setup more religious free schools don't ask for the chruch to just give theirs away cause you don't like them.

    Problem is the government can't afford to do that. So stop complaining the chruch are helping educate children for free

    Educate/brainwash.


  • #70
    gravehold
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    zeffabelli wrote: »
    Educate/brainwash.

    As said you don't have to send your child there


  • #71
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    gravehold wrote: »
    Ask the government to setup more religious free schools don't ask for the chruch to just give theirs away cause you don't like them.

    Problem is the government can't afford to do that. So stop complaining the chruch are helping educate children for free

    There's no need for more schools in my area. There are Catholic schools crying out for pupils and ETs with massive waiting lists. No point opening up new schools when you and your church can do what you're supposed to. It's good for kids to mix, segregation is not the way forward.


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  • #72
    gravehold
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    There's no need for more schools in my area. There are Catholic schools crying out for pupils and ETs with massive waiting lists. No point opening up new schools when you and your church can do what you're supposed to. It's good for kids to mix, segregation is not the way forward.

    If parents don't want to send the kids to a Catholic schools open more ET fill them and the chruch will have no pupils and be forced to sell.

    I thought ET where for mixing and the cathloic school would be more segregated into Christians. Get the government to open more ET and stop trying to get the chruch to give away their assets


  • #73
    cassid
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    my son is having his this Saturday.

    He wants to make his, we chose the school he was in as they are very good with children who have issues, he has a few medical problems. It is a catholic school so this is part of the education.

    Afterwards, just the family are going away for to a hotel for the night ( hubby and kids, first time in 2 years) no party and no pressure on people to cough up money.

    I lost faith a long time ago, I saw my son so sick when born they wanted his Christened immediately, but I refused. At one point the priest was sent as he was given 24 hours to live. Thankfully he is in our lives now. I saw little babies and children suffer so much, it just changed me and lost all faith in anything.

    I will guide my children to be as kind and caring as I can, but won't be ever bringing God into the equation.


  • #74
    eviltwin
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    gravehold wrote: »
    If parents don't want to send the kids to a Catholic schools open more ET fill them and the chruch will have no pupils and be forced to sell.

    I thought ET where for mixing and the cathloic school would be more segregated into Christians. Get the government to open more ET and stop trying to get the chruch to give away their assets

    And that leaves those families happy with those schools high and dry. Why make it so much harder than it needs to be?


  • #75
    Eutow
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    gravehold wrote: »
    Ask the government to setup more religious free schools don't ask for the chruch to just give theirs away cause you don't like them.

    Problem is the government can't afford to do that. So stop complaining the chruch are helping educate children for free



    Not really, taxpayer money goes towards the funding of them. The church should step away. If I was Taoiseach I would forcefully take all schools away from the church. Complete separation of church and state.


  • #76
    gravehold
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    And that leaves those families happy with those schools high and dry. Why make it so much harder than it needs to be?

    What's you solution the chruch gives aways it's assets for free and they become ET overnight. The government can't afford to buy them out.

    What about the families that want to send their children to a Catholic school and are happy as it is they are now high and dry.

    If there is a market for these ET in the area set them up and they will be filled. No need to try take the chruches assets


  • #77
    zeffabelli
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    gravehold wrote: »
    As said you don't have to send your child there

    Au contraire.

    The only thing I can do is antidote it at home.

    A compromise could be reached like do the religion part as after school for 30 minutes one day a week. Seems simple enough.


  • #78
    gravehold
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    Eutow wrote: »
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    Not really, taxpayer money goes towards the funding of them. The church should step away. If I was Taoiseach I would forcefully take all schools away from the church. Complete separation of church and state.

    They could off to buy the buildings and land but they cannit afford it, and the state shouldn't just be allowed to steel the chruches assets that atm they are allowing the government to use for free


  • #79
    zeffabelli
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    gravehold wrote: »
    They could off to buy the buildings and land but they cannit afford it, and the state shouldn't just be allowed to steel the chruches assets that atm they are allowing the government to use for free

    How exactly did the Church get those assets? Who paid for them in the first place?


  • #80
    gravehold
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    zeffabelli wrote: »
    How exactly did the Church get those assets? Who paid for them in the first place?

    Donations from Catholics over the years.


  • #81
    Fleawuss
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    Bit strange getting all those children to eat Jesus. No?


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  • #82
    zeffabelli
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    gravehold wrote: »
    Donations from Catholics over the years.

    Donations? Ha ha ha

    Magdalene Laundry money.

    The begging basket at mass....

    and tax money because it was a theocracy at one stage.

    Yes they should give them back, for years of instiutionalised extortion, baby selling, and national trauma.


  • #83
    Eutow
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    gravehold wrote: »
    What's you solution the chruch gives aways it's assets for free and they become ET overnight. The government can't afford to buy them out.

    Yes, hand them over for free. I thought the church was supposed to be a religion not a business looking for profit. It will also go some way to repaying the state for their abuses over the years.

    gravehold wrote: »
    What about the families that want to send their children to a Catholic school and are happy as it is they are now high and dry.

    Set up Sunday schools. The church can set them up with donations from religious people that want their children to receive some religious education.

    gravehold wrote: »
    If there is a market for these ET in the area set them up and they will be filled. No need to try take the chruches assets

    What would be the point of having a load of different schools for people with religious or no religious beliefs in the same area. Much better and cheaper to have one or two schools not connected to a religious organisation in the local area.


  • #84
    byhookorbycrook
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    buck65 wrote: »
    My son goes to a non denominational school so if he wants to make his Communion he has to go to another school/church for the day.
    There are no non-denom primary schools in Ireland. Multi-denoms such as some Gaelscoileanna and ETs.


  • #85
    gravehold
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    Eutow wrote: »
    Yes, hand them over for free. I thought the church was supposed to be a religion not a business looking for profit. It will also go some way to repaying the state for their abuses over the years.




    Set up Sunday schools. The church can set them up with donations from religious people that want their children to receive some religious education.




    What would be the point of having a load of different schools for people with religious or no religious beliefs in the same area. Much better and cheaper to have one or two schools not connected to a religious organisation in the local area.

    I don't know what to say, your point is I don't like these people so they shouldn't be allowed to have assets we should take all their stuff

    That worked out great for the blacks in america before the civil war and jews in germany in the 1930's


  • #86
    zeffabelli
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    byhookorbycrook wrote: »
    There are no non-denom primary schools in Ireland. Multi-denoms such as some Gaelscoileanna and ETs.

    Aren't Irish schools also Catholic?


  • #87
    byhookorbycrook
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    readyletsgo wrote: »
    If you christen your child, they are added to the live register of Christians. Not going to church then until your kid has 1st holy communion, which, if you have a daughter, you are presenting your small child as a bride of God, which is weird in my eyes, not sure about boys, prob just involved.
    Err, you are thinking of nuns.


  • #88
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    gravehold wrote: »
    They could off to buy the buildings and land but they cannit afford it, and the state shouldn't just be allowed to steel the chruches assets that atm they are allowing the government to use for free

    OK but shouldn't the church pay all the compensation paid to victims of religious orders by the state back first though.


  • #89
    byhookorbycrook
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    Why should you? When I was in school everyone came from the same area, all my friends were local the way it should be. The kids in my son's class are from all over, only 2 are local because it's an ET and parents have to travel outside their locality - and in a few cases their county - to get an education. It's a joke.
    This is why people need to get together and start new schools, just as has happened with Gaelscoileanna. Wringing hands saying "no local school" and then doing nothing about it will self-perpetuate otherwise.


  • #90
    Eutow
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    gravehold wrote: »
    I don't know what to say, your point is I don't like these people so they shouldn't be allowed to have assets we should take all their stuff

    That worked out great for the blacks in america before the civil war and jews in germany in the 1930's

    Strawman argument. I have no problem with religious people. As long as I'm not forced to believe in their beliefs we will have no problem. You are the one that brought up assets. How did they get these assets (land, schools) in the first place? Why does a religious organisation need these assets? Why are taxpayers funding a religious organisation when they may not belive in it? Why should they be able to hold 90% of schools in a supposed republic?


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  • #91
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    gravehold wrote: »
    I don't know what to say, your point is I don't like these people so they shouldn't be allowed to have assets we should take all their stuff

    That worked out great for the blacks in america before the civil war and jews in germany in the 1930's

    In many cases of religious schools in this country the state actually owns the land which is then given to the patron to manage. This is also the case with ET schools and Gael schools.


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