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Communion season in full flow...parents question

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  • #32
    cloud493
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    Eh, we were going to church anyway. Funny seeing all the parents who never show up to church all dressed up for it though :pac:


  • #33
    haveringchick
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    zeffabelli wrote: »
    No.

    It's peer pressure so your child is not excluded, you know because Catholic schools are so inclusive and compassionate......they just make the non believers sit out on a chair somewhere.

    SO much kindness displayed by 1st Holy Communion.

    Should the Catholic ethos school that you picked for your child not do First Eucharist just so your child doesn't feel left out?


  • #34
    zeffabelli
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    haveringchick wrote: »
    Should the Catholic ethos school that you picked for your child not do First Eucharist just so your child doesn't feel left out?

    I didn't pick anything out.

    And no they shouldn't do first eucharist, it doesn't belong in education. It's voo doo.


  • #35
    Shenshen
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    haveringchick wrote: »
    Should the Catholic ethos school that you picked for your child not do First Eucharist just so your child doesn't feel left out?

    I don't have kids so I realise I'm utterly unqualified for this discussion, but if I had and wanted them to attend a non-denominational school, I'd have to drive them there, 20 miles in the morning and 20 miles back. In the opposite direction to my workplace.


  • #36
    zeffabelli
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    Shenshen wrote: »
    I don't have kids so I realise I'm utterly unqualified for this discussion, but if I had and wanted them to attend a non-denominational school, I'd have to drive them there, 20 miles in the morning and 20 miles back. In the opposite direction to my workplace.

    That's if they had room....big waiting lists.


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  • #37
    zeffabelli
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    Lollipops23 wrote: »
    I was only chatting to my best mate earlier about how she's not planning on christening her kid-she's pregnant on her first now. She knows it's gonna provide all sorts of hurdles down the line for enrolling in schools etc but reckons if they cave over it, they'll be becoming part of the problem.

    She will be in a double bind.

    They do, at least where I am, demand baptismal certificates.

    The Protestant ones want to know you are part of the congregation. The multi denominations have long waiting lists and are usually just in Dublin and maybe Cork too.

    Ireland had an exemption when it joined the EU to continue practising both gender and religious segregation and discrimination.


  • #38
    Baggy Trousers
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    buck65 wrote: »
    I was talking to someone today whose daughter is having her 1st Holy Communion on Saturday, all set - dress bought, restaurant booked, party afterwards etc. etc. but her parents don't go to mass or seem to be too bothered about religion.

    Do parents get back into Church ways following the communion whilst the child is growing up or does it all go out the window again after a week or 2 (or when the money's spent)

    To answer your question, many parents have to pretend to be religious and regular mass goers before communion but abandon it again soon after. By confirmation, they couldn't care less and these days the kids even know by 5th/6th class that the whole religion thing is very dubious.


  • #39
    NIMAN
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    I didn't do it again. Child number 2 wasn't baptised and won't be making his communion.

    Do you mind if I ask of this caused much hassle among your two families?

    Is child 2 at school yet? If so, which type of school and much hassle getting that organised?


  • #40
    Lollipops23
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    zeffabelli wrote: »

    Ireland had an exemption when it joined the EU to continue practising both gender and religious segregation and discrimination.

    Think she already has his name down for the nearest Educate Together. She's in Dublin.


  • #41
    Baggy Trousers
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    zeffabelli wrote: »
    She will be in a double bind.

    They do, at least where I am, demand baptismal certificates.

    I am not so sure anymore...2 primary schools near us will ask twice for baptismal certs - once before school starts and once after school starts...but they don't really care - they care more about numbers and teacher/student ratios. Most schools will stop asking after the 2nd time.

    Bottom line, ignore them and they will drop the "demand".

    They will not kick out a child after it has started school so don't use it as an excuse to baptise or not if you do not believe.


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  • #42
    zeffabelli
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    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    I am not so sure anymore...2 primary schools near us will ask twice for baptismal certs - once before school starts and once after school starts...but they don't really care - they care more about numbers and teacher/student ratios. Most schools will stop asking after the 2nd time.

    Bottom line, ignore them and they will drop the "demand".

    They will not kick out a child after it has started school so don't use it as an excuse to baptise or not if you do not believe.

    Ah yeah but with such high numbers they can discriminate all they like and use the cert for criteria for admission.


  • #43
    Nodin
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    That is a disgrace, a total disgrace, and just what are the parents thinking of :confused:

    Many children will get confirmed in the C of I when they're fourteen/fifteen years old (no money involved), no stretch limos, no mini wedding dresses/suits, or fake tan either, just a religious ceremony which they should have a greater understanding of at that age. Surely at seven years of age the kids have little or no understanding of the religious significance of the ceremony?


    What kind of mad cult is this??????????????


  • #44
    gravehold
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    buck65 wrote: »
    I was talking to someone today whose daughter is having her 1st Holy Communion on Saturday, all set - dress bought, restaurant booked, party afterwards etc. etc. but her parents don't go to mass or seem to be too bothered about religion.

    Do parents get back into Church ways following the communion whilst the child is growing up or does it all go out the window again after a week or 2 (or when the money's spent)

    This isn't meant to be a religious discussion just interested in the aftermath of Communions.

    Don't send your kids to a cathloic school if you don't want them to do Catholic stuff. This is the parents fault if they have problem with this


  • #45
    eviltwin
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    Do you mind if I ask of this caused much hassle among your two families?

    Is child 2 at school yet? If so, which type of school and much hassle getting that organised?

    No, I was still a semi mass goer when the first was born but by the time the second was born the abuse scandals had been exposed and I couldn't stay. My belief in God was gone by then too so we decided to cut all ties with religion. It caused major problems with my side of the family, his didn't care. They are over it now though. My son is in the local ET, I put his name down while in was still pregnant but we were still lucky to get a place


  • #46
    eviltwin
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    gravehold wrote: »
    Don't send your kids to a cathloic school if you don't want them to do Catholic stuff. This is the parents fault if they have problem with this

    Easier said than done.


  • #47
    Baggy Trousers
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    zeffabelli wrote: »
    Ah yeah but with such high numbers they can discriminate all they like and use the cert for criteria for admission.

    There are also high numbers of new schools (mainly Gaelscoils and ET) so they are all competing. Again I doubt many schools will absolutely demand a baptismal cert before the start date. If they will ask - just say you lost it in a fire and need to order a new one. Blame the Devil or some such.

    I heard of one 2nd class recently in a good urban school with 26 children where 12 did not do the communion for whatever reason. I thought that was a huge number but the school had no issue finding activities for the other children who if I recall correctly were called the "starlight" children so as not to discriminate or something. In fact I heard those children got to do their homework during school hours leaving more time for leisure time. Win win.


  • #48
    gravehold
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    Easier said than done.

    There is home school if you want to stand up to moral grounds and don't want to drive to the closest school. If you hate the cathloic chruch don't send your kids to their schools.


  • #49
    Baggy Trousers
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    gravehold wrote: »
    There is home school if you want to stand up to moral grounds and don't want to drive to the closest school. If you hate the cathloic chruch don't send your kids to their schools.

    Ah now, most Catholic schools aren't very "catholic" anymore. Most young teachers try and keep the supernatural to a minimum.


  • #50
    [Deleted User]
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    gravehold wrote: »
    There is home school if you want to stand up to moral grounds and don't want to drive to the closest school. If you hate the cathloic chruch don't send your kids to their schools.

    Yeah are they really their schools? Aren't these schools entirely state funded?


  • #51
    zeffabelli
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    Baggy Trousers wrote: »
    Ah now, most Catholic schools aren't very "catholic" anymore. Most young teachers try and keep the supernatural to a minimum.

    You'd be surprised.


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  • #52
    eviltwin
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    gravehold wrote: »
    There is home school if you want to stand up to moral grounds and don't want to drive to the closest school. If you hate the cathloic chruch don't send your kids to their schools.

    And just give up working? The state has a duty of care to provide education for all children not just those of a Catholic family.


  • #53
    zeffabelli
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    gravehold wrote: »
    There is home school if you want to stand up to moral grounds and don't want to drive to the closest school. If you hate the cathloic chruch don't send your kids to their schools.

    Why should she? She pays her taxes to pay these teachers.


  • #54
    gravehold
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    zeffabelli wrote: »
    Why should she? She pays her taxes to pay these teachers.

    Then you drive to the nearest non Catholic school that will accept you. Although the et in my area is pretty much a muslim school in all but name.


  • #55
    Radio5
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    gravehold wrote: »
    There is home school if you want to stand up to moral grounds and don't want to drive to the closest school. If you hate the cathloic chruch don't send your kids to their schools.

    May not be easy choice to home school if both parents have to work.

    I know quite a few people who had no practical choice as to what primary school they sent their children to. They made it clear to the school from day one that the children would not be taking part in any religious ceremonies/ education/Communion/Confirmation etc. That was accepted and there were no problems about it and no efforts made to persuade them otherwise.


  • #56
    Fleawuss
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    The aftermath is that the child has consumed the body and blood of a 2000 year old Palestinian. By doing so they are much closer to God. Well, one of them.


  • #57
    zeffabelli
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    gravehold wrote: »
    Then you drive to the nearest non Catholic school that will accept you. Although the et in my area is pretty much a muslim school in all but name.

    Why aren't they ALL non Catholic schools when EVERYONE's money is paying for them?


  • #58
    Baggy Trousers
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    zeffabelli wrote: »
    You'd be surprised.

    I know but the country is growing up and most teachers (and especially principals) know the score and where the future lies. The primary aim now is to avoid any cause for bullying so they really dumb down the religious aspects of school life. There are no nuns or priests around to tell tales anymore.


  • #59
    zeffabelli
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    Fleawuss wrote: »
    The aftermath is that the child has consumed the body and blood of a 2000 year old Palestinian. By doing so they are much closer to God. Well, one of them.

    Yep, cannibalism. :rolleyes: of a guy who claimed he was the son of God.


  • #60
    gravehold
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    zeffabelli wrote: »
    Why aren't they ALL non Catholic schools when EVERYONE's money is paying for them?

    Goverment should offer to buy all the churches buildings and land from them so.


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  • #61
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    zeffabelli wrote: »
    Yep, cannibalism. :rolleyes: of a guy who claimed he was the son of God.

    It's only cannabilism if you believe he is the son of God otherwise it's just a stale bread wafer.


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