Atheism/Existence of God Debates (Part 2)

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

Atheism never ceases to amaze me. Sometimes I think that there is no such thing as "Atheism". Just Agnosticism and Theism. I don't see how anyone could just straight up say "God doesn't exist". I don't know how Atheists make up their minds on that either.

Don't you think it's strange that all animals, except for humans, are controlled by instinct (or AI)?
I think that something smart needs to exist to create smart things.
I'm fully convinced that something must have designed life. Something smart.
If something existed before the universe for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever then I think it's entirely plausible for a supernatural being to exist aswell. But how did it all start? I'm talking about NOTHING then boom - big explosion. Planets, stars, asteroids, Death Stars, star fighters, Darth Vader, etc and life...
Usually explosions destroy things, not bring things to life. And especially not from nothing. Remember that - nothing.

And here was your reply completely unrelated to my post.

1 I never said 'god doesn't exist'. I told you so earlier but you keep ignoring that.
2 I don't believe in a god and that's exactly what atheist means.



The second part of your post is a 'God of the gaps' argument. It's not clever. Do you even think about these things before you type them Please Google the god of the gaps and the argument. It would make this discussion so much easier.

I await your next unrelated reply

katydid wrote: »

Of course you've found no evidence for God, because no evidence exists. It doesn't mean God doesn't exists.

Sure. You could talk that approach if you want but if you're consistent then you will have to accept every proposition which has no evidence. How could you tell which religion to hollow? They all have no supporting evidence so why not accept them all?

I take the opposite approach of reserving belief until there is sufficient evidence. I suspect you take that approach with every single thing except

Is there anything else that you accept without a shred of evidence?

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I can see you have no capacity for critical thinking.

I've never ever heard an adult say that. I'd be so embarrassed to have no interest in how the world actually works. I suppose your faith group thrives on this kind of unthinking.

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It's possible to disagree with people without resorting to personal attacks. Keep it civil please folks.

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

Stop saying "Critical thinking".

I'm going on the basis that it's more likely for a supernatural being to exist rather than to not exist.

You however don't seem to realize that we don't know where we came from. Yet you seem to think that you can just say "God doesn't exist" and just try to point out flaws in my arguments.

Why is it more likely for a supernatural being to exist?

katydid wrote: »

Can you prove he doesn't exist?

It's pretty difficult to prove a negative, so I don't have to prove he doesn't exist, it's up to the believers to prove what they're saying is true. Up until they can do that I don't see any reason to believe them. Especially when everything they say is hearsay, plain untrue, or just bizarre.

Why should I or anyone else believe in god?

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

Don't you think it's strange that all animals, except for humans, are controlled by instinct (or AI)?

All animals including humans are controlled by instinct. Business takes advantage of human instinct on a daily basis.

I think that something smart needs to exist to create smart things.
I'm fully convinced that something must have designed life. Something smart.

Why, what has convinced you? I've found evolution theory to be much more convincing than god, all those experiments and results like modern medicine, computers, space travel all confirm that science is able to back up it's claims and prove it's theories are correct.

But how did it all start? I'm talking about NOTHING then boom - big explosion. Planets, stars, asteroids, Death Stars, star fighters, Darth Vader, etc and life...

By over simplifying the process you can ignore all the information that science can actually present. You've essentially got your head in the sand, putting your fingers in your ears and jumping up and down on the spot shouting I'm not listening. That's really the only defense religion has left, to willfully not understand the facts presented to them. To describe the history of the universe as: big explosion, planets, stars... Is like giving a film review that goes: the film started, an hour and a half later it ended.

Usually explosions destroy things, not bring things to life. And especially not from nothing. Remember that - nothing.

Again, untrue, the asteroid that wiped out the age of the dinosaurs lead to other animals taking their place. Nature will always turn a disaster into an opportunity. When an ecosystem get's destroyed it's bad for the creatures that died but an opportunity for the ones that survived.

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

1. I'm not under the influence of instinct in any form. I don't have a subconscious mind. There are no automatic processes in my brain. I'm different. I see advertisements for Coca-Cola nearly everyday and I haven't drank the stuff since sometime in 2014. I never see advertisements for Lucozade but I'd still buy it.

2. How do you know that God hasn't scripted or coded evolution? Something must have. I work with computers on a daily basis and I know that a program doesn't code itself.
A biblical quote states that God has created us for his entertainment. Now, as creepy as that may seem, if I was God who was going to exist for all eternity I'd definitely create what God has created. And maybe God isn't all that loving. There wouldn't be any rules so I'd find it fun to stick my middle finger up at people who didn't believe in me and then throw them into a place of eternal suffering.
And I find that it would be necessary to provide a reasonable explanation for everything being the way it is. Planting fossils and craters etc. It wouldn't be that fun if everyone knew you were there now would it? There's just one major flaw. There is no explanation for our emotions, personalities or consciences.

You do have a subconscious mind - and I'd say it's pretty exasperated with you at the moment1

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

Well the hearts of brain dead people work perfectly after death. Technically, you can live without a brain. You can't live without a heart.

That suggests heart beats are divorced from conscious thought. Unless you're suggesting brain dead people are conscious.

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

And eyes too! This thread is going off-topic.
Anyway, I've given my arguments. You can come up with arguments against my claims but all we can do is wait until we see God for ourselves.

Not arguments as such. I'd be more interested in motivations.

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

Stop saying "Critical thinking".

I'm going on the basis that it's more likely for a supernatural being to exist rather than to not exist.

You however don't seem to realize that we don't know where we came from. Yet you seem to think that you can just say "God doesn't exist" and just try to point out flaws in my arguments.

Let's grant your point , it still doesn't get you anywhere . the god might have flicked a switch and gone off to work on other projects. Or maybe us humans aren't the goal in the same way as pre humans were just a "stepping stone" for us .maybe in a million years the deity will communicate with our future distant cousins for the first time. Whatever the scenario its still way more likely because of the lack of evidence that the creator has decided not to actually communicate with humans and that every conversation with the gods from the start of civilisation have been one way.

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

Please do explain. And yes, my head is in the sand. I'm not influenced by other people's opinions.

So you just automatically could speak, read and write English without any outside influence? It's impossible not to be influenced by other people.

Every single thing you do and thought in your head was influenced by other people. If you lived completely alone your entire life you wouldn't be able to talk, you wouldn't be able to come up with music, you more than likely wouldn't be able to walk upright as we've seen from feral children raised by wolves. Those children can't even form complex sentences because their brain wasn't introduced to language at the right time.

Father Ted Crilly wrote: »

I wish I could do more. But I can't change anything.

Look anyway, you'll see God when your time comes.
You may keep your back turned to him in this world, but you'll see him. I promise you that. I, myself, respect your freewill. You have the choice of either seeking God or avoiding him. If you choose the latter, the pain of the separation of the love between you will last for the rest of eternity. That's Hell.

You don't need to believe in God, you need to seek God.
Organized religion has distorted God's message.

Oh and I'll even make a bet with you. €50000000000000000000. How does that sound?

Like typical religious gibberish. There's no way to support your claim for god so you just resort to sticking your fingers in your ears and wallowing in the fantasy that god will dedicate the rest of eternity to punishing people who don't share you're dogma.