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Atheism/Existence of God Debates (Part 2)

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  • #3752
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,157 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    Wrong and wrong. The Bible makes the claim that Jesus existed. If I tell you about the Bible's claim, I'm not the one making the claim, now am I?
    Like I said, I read about Jesus' prediction on another website. I didn't work out that he predicted the internet, I just spread the information.

    Two against one and you still can't prove me wrong.

    Reps for Jesus!

    with regard to what you claim myself and katdid are wrong about, yes you are.

    You claim that within the bible there is a prediction of the internet. You have been asked to link to or quote the parable. You haven't been able to.

    You made a claim about the contents of the bible, yet cannot support your claim.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #3753
    Father Ted Crilly
    Site Banned Posts: 217 ✭✭Father Ted Crilly


    SW wrote: »
    you just described atheism as essentially being a rejection of the "God in the gaps" argument. What's unreasonable about that?

    I don't know.

    Let's shake things up a bit. Atheists are always telling the religious to prove God exists. I think it's high time Atheists prove God doesn't exist. I want to hear an Atheists argument to say that God doesn't exist. Just because you don't believe in him doesn't mean he doesn't exist. Unless you have some mathematical equation to say that a God-like creature could not exist then you have no evidence.


  • #3754
    Father Ted Crilly
    Site Banned Posts: 217 ✭✭Father Ted Crilly


    SW wrote: »
    <snip>

    Please, before I shoot myself, http://www.greaterthings.com/JJDewey/internet_in_bible.htm


  • #3755
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    Wrong and wrong. The Bible makes the claim that Jesus existed. If I tell you about the Bible's claim, I'm not the one making the claim, now am I?
    Like I said, I read about Jesus' prediction on another website. I didn't work out that he predicted the internet, I just spread the information.

    Two against one and you still can't prove me wrong.

    Reps for Jesus!
    I'm asking you about a specific claim - YOU claimed that one of Jesus parables predicted the internet. YOU. Not Mr. Magoo or Barak Obama. YOU.

    Either you stand over the claim or you admit you can't. The onus is not on me to prove that what you say is true. It's on you.


  • #3756
    Father Ted Crilly
    Site Banned Posts: 217 ✭✭Father Ted Crilly


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Yeah. That's not an argument made by anyone on this thread except you though. That makes it a 'straw man' argument.

    Probably because you're all Atheists. I'm standing my ground. I declare war. I'll take you all on at the same time. As long as the multiquote function still works, I should have no problems.


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  • #3757
    Father Ted Crilly
    Site Banned Posts: 217 ✭✭Father Ted Crilly


    katydid wrote: »
    I'm asking you about a specific claim - YOU claimed that one of Jesus parables predicted the internet. YOU. Not Mr. Magoo or Barak Obama. YOU.

    Either you stand over the claim or you admit you can't. The onus is not on me to prove that what you say is true. It's on you.

    For the love of all that is holy and sweet, refer to the post made directly before yours. Thank you.


  • #3758
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    Please, before I shoot myself, http://www.greaterthings.com/JJDewey/internet_in_bible.htm

    Now, that wasn't that hard, was it? You could have done that ages ago, and saved us all a lot of time.

    And all that for a load of tosh...


  • #3759
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,157 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    Please, before I shoot myself, http://www.greaterthings.com/JJDewey/internet_in_bible.htm

    the word "net" in a parable about fishing and how it is similar to the end of days is a prediction of the internet?

    Did you just now google "bible" and "internet"? Because I find it hard to believe that anyone reading that parable would think, "hey!! Internet in bible!!" after reading the text.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #3760
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    SW wrote: »
    the word "net" in a parable about fishing and how it is similar to the end of days is a prediction of the internet?

    Did you just now google "bible" and "internet"? Because I find it hard to believe that anyone reading that parable would think, "hey!! Internet in bible!!" after reading the text.

    You have to admit, it's a good laugh.


  • #3761
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,157 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    katydid wrote: »
    You have to admit, it's a good laugh.

    that it is :)

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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  • #3762
    Father Ted Crilly
    Site Banned Posts: 217 ✭✭Father Ted Crilly


    SW wrote: »
    the word "net" in a parable about fishing and how it is similar to the end of days is a prediction of the internet?

    Did you just now google "bible" and "internet"? Because I find it hard to believe that anyone reading that parable would think, "hey!! Internet in bible!!" after reading the text.
    katydid wrote: »
    You have to admit, it's a good laugh.

    No no. That's totally fine. I totally respect your opinion of my argument. No matter how stupid you think it is.

    Now, would you be so kind as to give your argument(s)/evidence for the non-existence of God?


  • #3763
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,157 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    No no. That's totally fine. I totally respect your opinion of my argument. No matter how stupid you think it is.

    Now, would you be so kind as to give your argument(s)/evidence for the non-existence of God?

    I'm not aware that I claimed that God doesn't exist :confused:

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #3764
    Father Ted Crilly
    Site Banned Posts: 217 ✭✭Father Ted Crilly


    SW wrote: »
    I'm not aware that I claimed that God doesn't exist :confused:

    Well when you became aware that you have no arguments whatsoever, nevermind valid arguments, to back up your claim of God's non-existence you quickly changed your mind.

    Checkmate, Thread Closed. :P:pac::D;):):rolleyes::cool:


  • #3765
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,157 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    Well when you became aware that you have no arguments whatsoever, nevermind valid arguments, to back up your claim of God's non-existence you quickly changed your mind.

    Checkmate, Thread Closed. :P:pac::D;):):rolleyes::cool:



    do feel free to quote me where I stated God doesn't exist.

    and do remember, fibs make baby Jesus cry.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #3766
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    I don't know.

    Let's shake things up a bit. Atheists are always telling the religious to prove God exists. I think it's high time Atheists prove God doesn't exist.
    You can't really prove a negative. Why should anyone believe that god exists? Your basically asking people to believe the ramblings of a handful of Jewish dissidents from 2000 years ago. Why should anyone believe them? That's just the new testament, the old testament is a collection of stories from older civilizations re branded for the Jewish faith. Why should we believe any of that either?


  • #3767
    Father Ted Crilly
    Site Banned Posts: 217 ✭✭Father Ted Crilly


    ScumLord wrote: »
    You can't really prove a negative. Why should anyone believe that god exists? Your basically asking people to believe the ramblings of a handful of Jewish dissidents from 2000 years ago. Why should anyone believe them? That's just the new testament, the old testament is a collection of stories from older civilizations re branded for the Jewish faith. Why should we believe any of that either?

    Christianity is a religion of hope.


  • #3768
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    ScumLord wrote: »
    You can't really prove a negative. Why should anyone believe that god exists? Your basically asking people to believe the ramblings of a handful of Jewish dissidents from 2000 years ago. Why should anyone believe them? That's just the new testament, the old testament is a collection of stories from older civilizations re branded for the Jewish faith. Why should we believe any of that either?

    Can you prove he doesn't exist?


  • #3769
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    No no. That's totally fine. I totally respect your opinion of my argument. No matter how stupid you think it is.

    You haven't got an argument. The demented ravings of some lunatic on the internet who thinks that mention of a fishing net means the internet was predicted is not an argument.


  • #3770
    Father Ted Crilly
    Site Banned Posts: 217 ✭✭Father Ted Crilly


    SW wrote: »
    do feel free to quote me where I stated God doesn't exist.

    and do remember, fibs make baby Jesus cry.
    SW wrote:
    I personally have no faith whatsoever in any religious nonsense. I don't buy any of it.

    BTW, I might not remember making this post if you ever quote me on it.

    It's obvious you're an atheist if you're going against everything I say. Am I the only religious person here?


  • #3771
    Father Ted Crilly
    Site Banned Posts: 217 ✭✭Father Ted Crilly


    katydid wrote: »
    You haven't got an argument. The demented ravings of some lunatic on the internet who thinks that mention of a fishing net means the internet was predicted is not an argument.

    Ok well I've got this big book called the Bible.

    Now, your argument is?


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  • #3772
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    Ok well I've got this big book called the Bible.

    Now, your argument is?
    I have too. Several versions, in fact. What's your point?


  • #3773
    Father Ted Crilly
    Site Banned Posts: 217 ✭✭Father Ted Crilly


    katydid wrote: »
    I have too. Several versions, in fact. What's your point?

    My point is, it's always Christians providing arguments. Now it's your turn.


  • #3774
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    My point is, it's always Christians providing arguments. Now it's your turn.
    To do what?


  • #3775
    Father Ted Crilly
    Site Banned Posts: 217 ✭✭Father Ted Crilly


    katydid wrote: »
    To do what?

    Holy Mary...


  • #3776
    brian_t
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭brian_t


    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    Also, Mary is not my mother. Not your mother. Not God's mother. Not the "queen of Heaven". She is just a woman who was chosen by God to give birth to Jesus Christ. She is nothing else. She has no authority and is no more important in Heaven than the man on the moon.
    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    Holy Mary...

    I find your posts quite confusing and contradictory at times.


  • #3777
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,449 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    It's obvious you're an atheist if you're going against everything I say. Am I the only religious person here?

    You're posting in the Christianity forum so of course you're not the only Christian here. The other Christians don't want anything to do with your dreadful arguments. They're a knot in their stomachs from cringing at your posts.

    You must know that Internet in the bible part was a low point. It was a conspiracy theory site. Did you see the kind of nonsense it was linking to? Do you have any concept of standards of evidence?


  • #3778
    Father Ted Crilly
    Site Banned Posts: 217 ✭✭Father Ted Crilly


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    Do you have any concept of standards of evidence?

    I still haven't heard any of your arguments for God's existence. It would seem that the only standard is to say nothing.


  • #3779
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    You're posting in the Christianity forum so of course you're not the only Christian here. The other Christians don't want anything to do with your dreadful arguments. They're a knot in their stomachs from cringing at your posts.

    You must know that Internet in the bible part was a low point. It was a conspiracy theory site. Did you see the kind of nonsense it was linking to? Do you have any concept of standards of evidence?

    It was the start of the nonsense part and has gone downhill from there.

    And I say that as a Christian.


  • #3780
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    Holy Mary...

    To do what to Holy Mary?


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  • #3781
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,449 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Father Ted Crilly wrote: »
    I still haven't heard any of your arguments for God's existence. It would seem that the only standard is to say nothing.

    Well I never claimed to have proof of God's nonexistence.

    On a related pont that's not how we come to find propositions believable. I've looked into the god hypothesis and found no real evidence for it. So I don't accept the proposition 'God exists' for exactly the same reason I don't accept the proposition 'aliens exist' or 'homeopathy works'.

    I await your totally unrelated reply


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