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frazzledhome · 08-05-2015 01:07PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Funny thing is this lad is a teasagc poster boy with one of the top ebi herds in Ireland, the best line I heard him tell us was how he had a deal done with the knacker to take the dead jersey bulls by the weight instead of per animal was delighted with himself....
Bull calves on the farm didnt get biestings either they where either lucky enough to have got a suck of the mother before been took away our left to die was fit to pull the head of the farm manager at the time when he told us that piece of info

I know this person well and have a family member working there. This is LIES about colostrum. Deal in facts.

keep going · 08-05-2015 01:12PM

Bulk tank over flowing and so is the barrell so its time to set up a second tank outside the door.its insulated but not cooling but as the m7lk is usually collected within 15 minutes of milking I wont panic.starting to look for a bigger tank but will manage for this year.just wondering have many second tanks and for how long do ye use them, I know one guy with 3 tanks on a two day collection

blackdog1 · 08-05-2015 01:17PM

tanko wrote: »

I've often thawed out a straw, put it in the gun and driven four miles to an out farm to Ai a cow and it has worked out the best. I just put the gun on the dash with a bit of heat on to keep it warm. I'd have the cow ready to run up the crush when I get there.

Was talking to a retired researcher in moorepark who did research on thawed and unthawed straws and he said over 2 years there was no difference. He just takes the straw out wipes it and off he goes.

mahoney_j · 08-05-2015 01:21PM

Ai man here takes straw from tank loads it up and sticks it down the back of his head into his jumper,been working that way for years wit very good results

whelan2 · 08-05-2015 01:25PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Hmm I would think the same. Relief guy who covers 3 technics in my area in a rotation was on today. Used one gun thawed out 5 straws put one in gun and other 4 in the sleeve and in his back

ai man here has an assistant with him , she does the handheld and loads the straws into the gun for him

jaymla627 · 08-05-2015 01:27PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

I know this person well and have a family member working there. This is LIES about colostrum. Deal in facts.

Was ment to do placement on said farm stayed for a week and moved on was told this by farm manager at the time re colrostrum theirs a whole list of other stuff I could post about some of the practices that id seen but wont,l.
Why alot of lads seem to get horns for these low cost systems and neglect to see the many pitfalls and in many cases animal neglect that occurs always amuses me

frazzledhome · 08-05-2015 01:40PM

keep going wrote: »

Bulk tank over flowing and so is the barrell so its time to set up a second tank outside the door.its insulated but not cooling but as the m7lk is usually collected within 15 minutes of milking I wont panic.starting to look for a bigger tank but will manage for this year.just wondering have many second tanks and for how long do ye use them, I know one guy with 3 tanks on a two day collection

I've an over flow for 3 day collections. It's outside door and I only transfer cooled milk.

Got an old milk truck pipe with fittings to suit tanks on the end, connect and gravity does the rest

frazzledhome · 08-05-2015 01:45PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Was ment to do placement on said farm stayed for a week and moved on was told this by farm manager at the time re colrostrum theirs a whole list of other stuff I could post about some of the practices that id seen but wont,l.
Why alot of lads seem to get horns for these low cost systems and neglect to see the many pitfalls and in many cases animal neglect that occurs always amuses me

So your relaying an anecdote, heresy not a fact. As I say stick to fact

Greengrass1 · 08-05-2015 02:13PM

keep going wrote: »

Bulk tank over flowing and so is the barrell so its time to set up a second tank outside the door.its insulated but not cooling but as the m7lk is usually collected within 15 minutes of milking I wont panic.starting to look for a bigger tank but will manage for this year.just wondering have many second tanks and for how long do ye use them, I know one guy with 3 tanks on a two day collection

2 tanks here atm holding 2 days milk wouldn't be able to hold another milking if something happened. Pain in the hole washing tanks all the time

Greengrass1 · 08-05-2015 02:26PM

there's no reason for any calf on any farm.not to get beatings nowadays with the stomach tubes on the speedy feeders ye have it done in 2 minutes I know if we don't do it the calves just pine and get scours and no one wants to buy then off ye then

mahoney_j · 08-05-2015 02:29PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

there's no reason for any calf on any farm.not to get beatings nowadays with the stomach tubes on the speedy feeders ye have it done in 2 minutes I know if we don't do it the calves just pine and get scours and no one wants to buy then off ye then

One thing not giving a calf beaSTings but beatings on the other hand!!

Greengrass1 · 08-05-2015 02:30PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

One thing not giving a calf beaSTings but beatings on the other hand!!

Too late to change it now

td5man · 08-05-2015 02:35PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

One thing not giving a calf beaSTings but beatings on the other hand!!

Or you could try giving them biestings. ðŸ˜‰

Milked out · 08-05-2015 02:36PM

keep going wrote: »

Bulk tank over flowing and so is the barrell so its time to set up a second tank outside the door.its insulated but not cooling but as the m7lk is usually collected within 15 minutes of milking I wont panic.starting to look for a bigger tank but will manage for this year.just wondering have many second tanks and for how long do ye use them, I know one guy with 3 tanks on a two day collection

Do many lads mean to have 2 tanks instead of one large tank? Can't be much of a saving as 2 tanks going at peak is surely more costly than one big one at the shoulders cooling

whelan2 · 08-05-2015 02:47PM

Milked out wrote: »

Do many lads mean to have 2 tanks instead of one large tank? Can't be much of a saving as 2 tanks going at peak is surely more costly than one big one at the shoulders cooling

had 2 now have 1, as greengrass said the cleaning of them is the worst part

Greengrass1 · 08-05-2015 02:50PM

Milked out wrote: »

Do many lads mean to have 2 tanks instead of one large tank? Can't be much of a saving as 2 tanks going at peak is surely more costly than one big one at the shoulders cooling

Won't to 2 for long . T - 11 days. Only good thing about this weather is my tank isn't cooling all day

Milked out · 08-05-2015 02:50PM

Just finished grazing last of the dry ground last night, gonna be back fencing heavy paddocks now, if I have to start up the feeder I'm gonna be a cranky fcuker for the next week. I blame everyone worried about spreading fert in dry weather, had to jinx it

Timmaay · 08-05-2015 02:55PM

Done all that messing, 2 tanks, overflow mobile tank, transferring milk between them, milk overflowing, struggling to scrub out old tanks, the new bulk tank is probably the best investment we have made, close the leaver and flick on the cooler switch every 2nd day and job done.

The plate cooler makes a big difference to cooling also, and will help reduce the amount of time a big tank spends at a reduced part load efficency during the winter etc.

mf240 · 08-05-2015 03:17PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

there's no reason for any calf on any farm.not to get beatings nowadays with the stomach tubes on the speedy feeders ye have it done in 2 minutes I know if we don't do it the calves just pine and get scours and no one wants to buy then off ye then

I took it that the farm in question was getting calves collected by nackery so why would the give them beastings.

I know of the farm in question. So wont comment . Its years since i was in there anyway.

kevthegaff · 08-05-2015 07:03PM

I think the man knows which farmers are neglecting theyre animals is the knackery

mf240 · 08-05-2015 07:34PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

I think the man knows which farmers are neglecting theyre animals is the knackery

agree 100%

but unfortunately we all have to call them at times.

kevthegaff · 08-05-2015 08:15PM

First year i began milking, wasnt able to send milk until april first as i had no quota, bought calves that were either no beastings or something else. I was v young and foolish anyway i lost a good few, depressing stomach tubing, exp meds, minerals etc. It was the last time i bought calves! It can happen to most of us one year but every year its saying something about animal husbandry. My local knacker and a close relation of a vet have told me horror stories. No one knows whats going on behind a farmers gate. I do believe that 95%+ do theyre best for their animals its a pity, the small percentage i believe are either suffering from depression/problems are just dont give a s**t.

Greengrass1 · 08-05-2015 08:52PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

First year i began milking, wasnt able to send milk until april first as i had no quota, bought calves that were either no beastings or something else. I was v young and foolish anyway i lost a good few, depressing stomach tubing, exp meds, minerals etc. It was the last time i bought calves! It can happen to most of us one year but every year its saying something about animal husbandry. My local knacker and a close relation of a vet have told me horror stories. No one knows whats going on behind a farmers gate. I do believe that 95%+ do theyre best for their animals its a pity, the small percentage i believe are either suffering from depression/problems are just dont give a s**t.

We had a bill here for a few yrs from knacker. Was very hard to get it paid tbh.
Soul destroying for dad especially lost alot if cows with a mixture if ecoli and staf aurus infections and calves to salmonella. Farm was just real dirty with over grown hedges and ditches no light could get in to kill any thing. And full of pigeons

trixi2011 · 08-05-2015 09:19PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Was ment to do placement on said farm stayed for a week and moved on was told this by farm manager at the time re colrostrum theirs a whole list of other stuff I could post about some of the practices that id seen but wont,l.
Why alot of lads seem to get horns for these low cost systems and neglect to see the many pitfalls and in many cases animal neglect that occurs always amuses me

Why do people always associate practices such as what your suggesting with low input farms and jersey cow are ye so nieve that ye think these practices don't happen on high input farms ? What happens to the real extreme Holstien bull calves in Ireland ?

mahoney_j · 08-05-2015 09:22PM

trixi2011 wrote: »

Why do people always associate practices such as what your suggesting with low input farms and jersey cow are ye so nieve that ye think these practices don't happen on high input farms ? What happens to the real extreme Holstien bull calves in Ireland ?

Great market in them for breeding bulls I believe,your 100% correct though

jaymla627 · 08-05-2015 09:49PM

trixi2011 wrote: »

Why do people always associate practices such as what your suggesting with low input farms and jersey cow are ye so nieve that ye think these practices don't happen on high input farms ? What happens to the real extreme Holstien bull calves in Ireland ?

On high output farms you go caning the cows and young stock your mortality rates will be sky high, managed a place out in australia that was a 400 cow herd with a near even spilt of 200 x breds and 200 holstein cows, calving season came around and for two months we had noting but rain and more rain was the wettest spring in the area for 50 years....
In the space of two months 30 of the holstein cows went to the knacker compared to 1 crossbred, any lads doing high yielding cows wrong wont last but crossbred herds even managed badly will still leave a profit simply because the cows are so resiliant....

frazzledhome · 08-05-2015 10:02PM

trixi2011 wrote: »

Why do people always associate practices such as what your suggesting with low input farms and jersey cow are ye so nieve that ye think these practices don't happen on high input farms ? What happens to the real extreme Holstien bull calves in Ireland ?

Nothing to do with low or hi input, its an Irish thing If a guy is having a modicum of success even after a career of trying you'll get this shyte being trotted out. A lad I know who's cousins girlfriend was on that farm and heard that .....................

mf240 · 08-05-2015 10:10PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Nothing to do with low or hi input, its an Irish thing If a guy is having a modicum of success even after a career of trying you'll get this shyte being trotted out. A lad I know who's cousins girlfriend was on that farm and heard that .....................

Or if an ordinary lads dares question the big grass based low costs guys he gets acused of begrudgery .

The man that being talked about is well liked in the area as a customer or neighbour and im not trying to knock anyone down. But that doesent mean i have to agree with his farming methods.

whelan2 · 08-05-2015 10:15PM

Timmaay wrote: »

A group if the early Feb born calves which have been on grass for about a month are now very very watery, the wet weather last week hasn't helped I'd say. I haven't done anything with the calves, no dosing/pour on /vaccinations etc yet with them. Should I just get them dug sampled for now?

did you do anything with them?

Timmaay · 08-05-2015 10:32PM

whelan2 wrote: »

did you do anything with them?

Vet told me to give them some fibre asap, put them in a different paddock beside the yearling shed which they can go into, got plenty of hay and put them back on ration with the weather today, vet said to get get back if the fibre doesn't dry then up soon.

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