Cork GAA Discussion Thread

What a crazy system...we beat Limerick in the first round of the Munster Minor Championship ...reward we get to play Limerick again in Limerick ! it can only happen in the GAA world .....could they not make the semi finals games between teams that did not meet in the First Rounds ?

The Cork senior football team play the Dubs

1. Paddy O’Shea (St. Vincents)

2. Stephen Cronin (Nemo Rangers)

3. Jamie O’Sullivan (Bishopstown)

4. Kevin Crowley (Millstreet)

5. Tomás Clancy (Fermoy)

6. Tom Clancy (Clonakilty)

7. Barry O’Driscoll (Nemo Rangers)

8. Alan O’Connor (St.Colums)

9. Ruairi Deane (Bantry Blues)

10. Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers)

11. Conor Dorman (Bishopstown)

12. Colm O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh)

13. Daniel Goulding (Éire Óg)

14. Peter Kelleher (Kilmichael)

15. John Hayes (Carbery Rangers)

Subs

16. Ken O’Halloran (Bishopstown)

17. Noel Galvin (Ballincollig)

18. Michael Shields (St Finbarrs)

19. Eoin Cadogan (Douglas)

20. James Loughrey (Mallow)

21. Brian O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh)

22. Kevin O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh)

23. Colm O’Neill (Ballyclough)

24. Fintan Goold (Macroom)

25. Mark Collins (Castlehaven)

26. Brian Hurley (Castlehaven)

Note: Not considered for selection due to injury are: Ian Maguire, Patrick Kelly, Donncha O’Connor, John O’Rourke, Donal Óg Hodnett.



I dont know what stage cork management root and branch review is at but imo this root and branch review on the team imo has learned absolutely nothing from the Dublin game two week ago

O shea once great is not at this level now and while Sunday he'll be fine once cork face midfield in championship that dominate them he's kick out will be under pressure but he's shot stopping not as good as ken
Well done at last long long last cronin gets a game however imo in a full back line than will get no protection from half back if Dublin are attacking mode he'll have a busy day but credit due cuthbert you learned

Sullivan okay at full back the only position for him
Crowley is the only corner back that from half back could play the role but imo shows usual obsession that management have in playing half backs corner
Galvin needs games should started as too much changing now closed to championship

The root and branch review failed awfully at half back, concessions of 8-130 stand out luke a sore thumb yet again while fine players too attack minded bar clancy other clancy and appalling playing out of position of half forward at half back Barry o driscoll means cork have no defence again
Yes even when dorman if he switches to centre back too attack minded to mind the house and no way can he play the floating defence forward and if he's let at centre lack the creative instinct for centra forward


Midfield is good, deane finally get a game but he will last or be replaced by gould at half time??? Don't be surprised

Alan o Connor may do in a small ptich wet evening but while may be good here won't imo as great as he was do in championship

Colm o driscoll nothing against the lad but as last week showed he is poor and can't create yet starts after an awful league final
Now cuthbert may have won a county intermediate title playing with him nine years ago and both huge praise in interview for each other but this again is a poor call the root and branch review unfortunately didn't shed any light here

Kerrigan is fine in these games but when the seriously pressure comes on in big games the hunger want desire of the great great I mean really really great players have imo very questionable on past performance
Expect him to have with colm a fine game Sunday

Goulding fine but cork have full forwards
Peter kellher makes no sense at all in yes was good for the under twenty one team but he's not a full forward and cork are now taking ten steps back in trying to replicate kerry with a Donaghey type lad inside as kerry curbed Nicholas Murphy before will have no problem if cork do this in championship
Play him at midfield

John Hayes fine club player imo will have no doubt bang a goal or penalty, lovely footwork and some lovely points like he always those in challenge games but in championship against the elite imo won't do

Micheal cussen got two one v wexford in Ballygarvan in chllenge few years ago and two years ago or so two goals hurling again v tipp in clougjduv so expect Hayes to do similar but the root and branch review fails again to see challenge and championship is miles apart and with subs like kevin o driscoll and gould again expect them to be in the championship panel and when cork should be picking a settled half back line and giving Brian o driscoll game at half forward cork again overall imo make a selection policy that despite all the promises after Dublin imo nothing again really bar few things has been learned

Expect cork to win, gould, colm, Kerrigan :,o Connor Barry driscoll to all perform well and get praise after imo but it's imo down to a likely second string Dublin with no intensity or Real desire as it's a run out but expect no blanket but Dublin having perfected it awesomely all championship with just four _104 or so conceded to say no need to show her hand but look play open attacking football to help keep their instinct of pure open football alive and well and that sharpness of free scoring and they don't loose it so will make cork imo better than they are and another false dawn Sunday
Just to be clear in no way am I questing cork management or players in anything other than on the football field and all my concerns can be seen as valid when all cork league games and imo mcgrath cups are reviewed as again this management keep picking players that have performed below the level required in senior championship elite inter county football imo

Cork play kerry minor football Wednesday and while there's some outstanding talent I'm not expecting much under current management but would love to be proven wrong

Cuthberts new tactics going back to big powerfull players ....I am delighted with the playing of Peter Kelleher still very green of course but if coached correct would be a great addition ....it looks like that Cathal Vaughan will be left out this year ...he looked like he is over his injurys was impressive with the u21s ....with respects I think he would be a better addition on the panel than Kevin O Driscoll who has tried his heart out during the league ...but again if Vaughan has proper coaching he is a real class act left and right leg no problem....

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/sean-boylan-sees-trouble-ahead-for-dublin-329427.html


Great interview with a great great great I mean really really really great manager
Cork and meath had many turbulence but I have huge respect for meath football and they were great team under boylan
A gentleman but he had ruthless winning trait as manager


He right regards Dublin leinster may go against them however key key points and I made this many times before Dublin have no ego's and management don't
Could the same be said of cork like Dublin??

Have they no egos

He's right Galway and I said it few weeks ago are on the up, have unlike cork a defensive structure still being worked on but solid , lovely footballers and crucially a midfield but above all else whether he's good enough win all Ireland is for another day kevin Walsh least proven record with sligo and is good manager

Boylan was cute not to mention he's own meath too much but was right they have potential but imo if they get injury clear squad could imo Could have a good qualifier run
Boylan was right he doesn't know what make cork and I see he didn't say their top four

What a disaster cork football is in in now not even top four team yet day one cuthbert preached he was going to get the fans back to cork football the joy etc the swagger back to cork football
Quite the opposite has happened
Galway and meath imo could beat cork

Imp it won't happen but if I was the ccb I'd be a calling a root and branch review to review how management football root branch review failed to make real change after last two weeks by appointment of football coach and the still picking players on panel that have unfortunately under performed at least five big games for cork and are not even best club players in cork

zetecescort wrote: »

The problem with young players not being coached properly when they join the Seniors has been a problem in Cork for decades, not just under Cuthbert. Our underage record is as good as Kerry and Dublin yet for whatever reason when lads progress to senior level their careers stall.

I totally agree but more so under cuthbert as be fair counihan he's improved lot player like morgen

Tompkins imo didn't yes he improved their aerobic capacity and vo2 max etc etc through gruelling training but football wise I doubt it

Point is just cause it's was a trade mark for years does not mean it's acceptable in the now here and now and if we use excuses past oh always been case how can true true evolution cork football from also rans to real all Ireland contenders take place


I was no fan Tompkins as manager however I will give him credit in he's interview were no where near current set up and imo definitely never talked as much nonsense or repeatedly false promises overall and over again


Just look at this set up
Dualism all last year would be ended if affected the team
It wasn't Walsh had to end it
Midfield after kerry he promised he would fix
Year later still the same
Defence after every game he said had to improve
It hasn't and he can't see he's management are at fault for picking defenders out of positions
He said he'd bring professional and honour to cork football
Critsom of a great proven managers James horan mayo didn't help



Non playing paddy kelly last year
He made a statement last year at the start of the league he's give every panel members a fair chance
He didn't with laoire and whether people agree or disagree he's up or not up to seniors more one can deny him or dinnen didn't get fair chances

He promised in he's wille wonka interview in the Sunday paper last year cork would be as good as they could be and fair enough would see where it takes them
No one surely can say this cork team is performance as good as they can be and even if players aren't there some want to belive people surely need to realise cork are so awful big games where beaten easily not good enough as cork definitely can be competitive imo

slingerz wrote: »

Bear in mind the game is for the opening for Cill Na Martra's redeveloped ground so they were always going to include some local players in the team/panel to attract some interest for the host club. Cant see Kelleher being intercounty standard ever to be honest as he has not stood out in senior championship for Muskerry or CIT.

Vaughan is an interesting as i believe he is headed to the States for the summer which could be why the senior side dont have him involved. That being said, i cannot for the life of me understand how he is not ahead of the O'Driscolls etc. in the half forward line for the seniors. He would be an ideal candidate in that line or indeed in a similar role to the one that Mark Collins is currently playing

just to point out that the pitch is redeveloped but the game is part of a weekend of commemoration for Sean O Shiochan and not an opening of the pitch.

No mention of Stephen O Donoughue I wonder is he still on the panel .....If coached in the right way I think young Peter Kelleher could make it ...I agree Vaughan and Dan McEoin should be involved in the panel .....Sean White is another on the panel one day off it the next day ..Sean Kiely came on as a sub last year against Mayo ...this year another young player no where to be seen ....Barry O Driscoll at wing back sweet lord his best games all his life are as a forward ....a brilliant goal for Nemo last weekend poor lad what ever chance hes got of making at this level ..what chance now when hes completely out of position .

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

No mention of Stephen O Donoughue I wonder is he still on the panel .....If coached in the right way I think young Peter Kelleher could make it ...I agree Vaughan and Dan McEoin should be involved in the panel .....Sean White is another on the panel one day off it the next day ..Sean Kiely came on as a sub last year against Mayo ...this year another young player no where to be seen ....Barry O Driscoll at wing back sweet lord his best games all his life are as a forward ....a brilliant goal for Nemo last weekend poor lad what ever chance hes got of making at this level ..what chance now when hes completely out of position .

All of what you say is bang on the money
But it all comes back to who do you hold responsible for this????
Imo cork management

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

On another issue watching that marvellous bit of fielding by Aidan Walsh for Kanturk against Ballydesmond makes you think did he pick the wrong code ! this pic was in the Echo last night .....TTM you were on about his first cousin Ian but he neaver made the u21s. he played well it seems for Kanturk scoring 1-4.

Terrific player Ian is but injury curtailed him I'd think

The most unloved team in sport the Cork footballers ....both teams fall in there arse in the leauge finals 1000 kids greet the hurlers on Tuesday night ...the following night the less than 100 kids there for the footballers ...tough going on those players who give there all to the jersey .

Decent game. End to end and some lovely foot passing on both sides. Yes that galway forward the one doing the damage for them really. Cork have been thru on goal a few times so I'd expect another goal or two from the Cork girls

fine finish for the Galway goal but she side stepped two Cork defenders far too easily