[Superthread] Mayweather vs Pacman NO STREAMING REQUESTS

Panic E · 07-05-2015 12:59PM

magma69 wrote: »

Diego Corrales.

Corrales had to drop 30lbs for that for that fight.

walshb · 07-05-2015 01:02PM

Mister Vain wrote: »

Relaxed? I don't think I've ever seen a more relaxed fighter than Floyd.

I agree with some of the points you made though. The Del La Hoya fight was very close. He was uncomfortable against Maidana and I wouldn't go as far as to say he is TBE. The best of this generation maybe, but not TBE.

Lately in his bouts he seems wound up and unsure of what approach to take. Maidana really ruffled him. I think Floyd could have fought and reacted differently. He wasn't the same cool and relaxed man under the pressure.

He is older and a bit slower now, as well as IMO not being as free and fluid with his punching. His attacks and punching seems a lot less convicted and certain. Synchronicity in Floyd is suffering. For me he is noticeably off his prime. Still fast, tough and intelligent, just not as convincing or energetic or authoritative. Manny should really have been shut out, hurt, hit a lot more and bullied. He wasn't. Not close. For that Mayweather really disappointed for me.

magma69 · 07-05-2015 01:03PM

Panic E wrote: »

Corrales had to drop 30lbs for that for that fight.

130 was his best weight. He was kicking ass at that weight before Mayweather and won a world title at the weight after Mayweather.

walshb · 07-05-2015 01:03PM

Panic E wrote: »

Corrales had to drop 30lbs for that for that fight.

I hate to take praise away from a sublime Mayweather display, but Diego was like a mummy in the ring. He could not let his hands go at all. Credit to Floyd for part of that, but Diego that night was pretty poor, looked it to me. Like he was sleeping through the beating.

Panic E · 07-05-2015 01:27PM

magma69 wrote: »

130 was his best weight. He was kicking ass at that weight before Mayweather and won a world title at the weight after Mayweather.

Corrales wanted the fight at 135 himself. He had a lot of personal and legal problems at the time and wasn't in training much.

He ended up cutting over 20lbs a week before the fight so was drained as it gets. Its the last time Floyd was an underdog also.

darced · 07-05-2015 03:15PM

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walshb · 07-05-2015 03:42PM

darced wrote: »

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Completely controlled? This is what I mean as regards Floyd's praise. How was Manny completely controlled? Neither of them did very much, yet Manny is the one who is getting completely controlled? This is bonkers. There was barely a clean connection the whole rd ( a feel out rd from both) and we have a case of Manny getting completely controlled and out landed?

ThunderCat · 07-05-2015 04:09PM

darced wrote: »

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I agree he did very little, but Floyd did very little either. That's why I couldn't make a case for either man winning the round.

Panic E · 07-05-2015 04:11PM

Wtf lol, 'completely controlled and oulanded' is a ridiculous statement to make.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaq0CGoRZs0

Granted, it's not in HD & slo-mo but I'm with ThunderCat. No clear winner here.

walshb · 07-05-2015 04:20PM

Sorry, but anyone watching that rd and saying that either man was controlling or out-landing needs specsavers. About as even a rd as possible. And I don't give a fcuk what compu box says. Floyd landed what appeared the best shot in the round at 61 seconds in. Half connecting and half glancing. Apart from that one shot, both men simply touched each other. As for Floyd "completely controlling" the rd or Manny? Ridiculous

Panic E · 07-05-2015 04:45PM

walshb wrote: »

Floyd landed what appeared the best shot in the round at 61 seconds in. Half connecting and half glancing.

That appears to be the only thing of note as the crowd reacts. I watched it back ten times stopping and pausing, it doesn't connect cleanly at all.

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If round 1 is anything to go by your claim is kinda null and void dude? Lol anyway, one would have to assume your overall assessment is the same.

darced · 07-05-2015 04:54PM

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walshb · 07-05-2015 04:59PM

darced wrote: »

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C'mon, as if HD is going to change anything. You said Mayweather completely controlled the round. I don't care if it's bog standard 70s tv or plasma 4k, that is simply not close to being true.

Panic E · 07-05-2015 05:02PM

darced wrote: »

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I will do, and in slow motion thanks. Why are you recommending back to me what I already suggested first here earlier on?

I hate when people do that. Also, where did I say Mayweather only landed 2 body shots? He landed a good counter forearm.

darced · 07-05-2015 05:17PM

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Panic E · 07-05-2015 06:30PM

darced wrote: »

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I never said anything about 2 body shots?

Panic E · 07-05-2015 08:23PM

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Oscar for example? Manny moved up 2 weight classes from 135 to 145. The Cotto fight was at 145, he was champion at 147 (hardly a big deal)

Margarito? Contracted at 151, Margarito had like +20lbs on fight night. I presume those are the fights you are talking about. What's to criticise?

He did become a household name due to his spectacular performances but you have to remember it, he came up in weight to make those fights.

Two of those guys he beat at catchweight's Floyd was ducking at the time, plus he is a full weight class smaller than Floyd now even. Just saying...

Chrissybhoy · 07-05-2015 09:06PM

Panic E wrote: »

Oscar for example? Manny moved up 2 weight classes from 135 to 145. The Cotto fight was at 145, he was champion at 147 (hardly a big deal)

Margarito? Contracted at 151, Margarito had like +20lbs on fight night. I presume those are the fights you are talking about. What's to criticise?

He did become a household name due to his spectacular performances but you have to remember it, he came up in weight to make those fights.

Two of those guys he beat at catchweight's Floyd was ducking at the time, plus he is a full weight class smaller than Floyd now even. Just saying...

How did floyd become a household name ?

Panic E · 07-05-2015 09:17PM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

How did floyd become a household name ?

I dunno, Beiber? Or L'il Dwayne Lol. TMZ maybe? WWE probably helped. I'm not sure what you are getting at

Top Rank and HBO were building him up and he became well known after he fought Oscar if thats what you mean...

Chrissybhoy · 07-05-2015 09:23PM

Oh so the way he boxed his way through super featherweight and JW up to WW had noting got to do with. Go look at Mayweathers fights from the start of his career come back then and tell me what you think.

Panic E · 07-05-2015 09:34PM

How do you know I haven't already? And what does it have to do with the thread. No offence

walshb · 07-05-2015 09:34PM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Oh so the way he boxed his way through super featherweight and JW up to WW had noting got to do with. Go look at Mayweathers fights from the start of his career come back then and tell me what you think.

Start of his career is no different than any elite fighter. He is the supposed TBE....

Chrissybhoy · 07-05-2015 09:50PM

Panic E wrote: »

How do you know I haven't already? And what does it have to do with the thread. No offence

Well seen as you were the one that went off topic and criticised Mayweather career. I was only posting a reply about Mayweathers career

Chrissybhoy · 07-05-2015 09:53PM

walshb wrote: »

Start of his career is no different than any elite fighter. He is the supposed TBE....

I never said it wasn't again I'm only posting a reply about criticism of Mayweathers career that I think is unfair

Panic E · 07-05-2015 10:06PM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Well seen as you were the one that went off topic and criticised Mayweather career. I was only posting a reply about Mayweathers career

No need to take it personally. It's not OT, they were trying to make this fight for half of his career.

Plus, you didn't even reply to anything I said but had a go at me in the other thread for this news;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjo1TaCl_EE

walshb wrote: »

Start of his career is no different than any elite fighter. He is the supposed TBE....

Corrales is supposed to be his most complete performance, and we were talking about that earlier on.

BTW, did anybody hear him say before the fight that even if Pacquiao beat him he was still TBE? Man

darced · 07-05-2015 10:22PM

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Chrissybhoy · 07-05-2015 10:26PM

Panic E wrote: »

No need to take it personally. It's not OT, they were trying to make this fight for half of his career.

Plus, you didn't even reply to anything I said but had a go at me in the other thread for this news;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjo1TaCl_EE

Corrales is supposed to be his most complete performance, and we were talking about that earlier on.

BTW, did anybody hear him say before the fight that even if Pacquiao beat him he was still TBE? Man

I'm not taking it personally. It's just when summing the fight and both fighters career try doing it fairly and don't let your dislike for Mayweather cloud you doing that

Panic E · 07-05-2015 11:12PM

darced wrote: »

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I love Pacquaio too, just look at how much excitement he brought to the table throughout his exceptional career.

I will say that he has fought a lot of guys who were elite and in their prime etc and some of them several times even.

Not including any you mentioned. He was the underdog and the smaller man in those bouts, not exactly cherry picking.

Henno30 · 07-05-2015 11:31PM

Re Floyd's career ii hardly needs to be said at this stage that he had a chance to achieve real greatness at 147 from 2006-2008. Cotto, Margarito, Paul Williams - he fought none of them. Despite being offered career high pay-days.

He could have had those fights. He didn't. Live with the consequences.

Panic E · 07-05-2015 11:45PM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

It's just when summing the fight and both fighters career try doing it fairly and don't let your dislike for Mayweather cloud you doing that

Well, the fight ended up a big stinker and Manny had only one good arm so. (surgery went ok today they say)

As for careers, Manny's was much better. Can't believe he said that Pacquaio can fight on his undercard though! :rolleyes:

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