[Superthread] Mayweather vs Pacman **NO STREAMING REQUESTS**

moneyman

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Not like pacquiao to make excuses so after a previous loss he blamed it on blood being taken didn't know that. Pattern starting to develop here

Quite possibly, but if you're going to have an agenda, at least get the facts correct.

Talib Fiasco

This is probably the best breakdown of the fight I have seen so far:

:pac:

Panic E

walshb wrote: »

It all just adds to the fight and event being a complete let down.

I think that's something we can all agree on! Replay is tonight anyway

Chrissybhoy

moneyman wrote: »

Quite possibly, but if you're going to have an agenda, at least get the facts correct.

I don't have an agenda I never mentioned anything about needles. It's just when you said he blamed blood being taken for a defeat it looks like he finds it hard to accept defeat and finds excuses

Panic E

Pacquaio is the one with the 'excuses' now and is even a 'coward' according to Floyd. :rolleyes:

megadodge

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

The Castillo robbery was as big a robbery as Floyd in the Olympics. No way could that fight have been given to Floyd.

I'm not too keen on getting involved in this endless arguement, but on the Olympics - that was no robbery! It was a very close fight that could have gone either way, it went to the Bulgarian by one point. Hardly a robbery?

What Floyd fans don't bother mentioning (cos they probably don't know) was that in Floyd's previous bout, he squeaked past a Cuban by one point in a very close fight. How come they don't scream robbery there?

As for the Castillo fight, I've watched that fight at least five times over the years (just in case I developed a new perspective) and the closest I've ever given it was Castillo by four rounds. The Mexican absolutely won that fight and evey time I hear about Floyd's 'O' and the 'Mayvinci code' crap I recall this genuine robbery that gets ignored in the hype.

walshb

megadodge wrote: »

I'm not too keen on getting involved in this endless arguement, but on the Olympics - that was no robbery! It was a very close fight that could have gone either way, it went to the Bulgarian by one point. Hardly a robbery?

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Two words. Thank you. I held off from this, but pre Pacman fight and the hype they haven peddling this nonsense about Todorov's win being a disgrace. I gave the fight to Floyd by a point or two. Not remotely close to a robbery.

Panic E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl4t3wS8g8s

:pac: Ok what do you say here. This is hilarious! I wouldn't know where to begin :pac:

Littlehorny

Panic E wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl4t3wS8g8s

:pac: Ok what do you say here. This is hilarious! I wouldn't know where to begin :pac:

It has been said by a few already, but the sooner this dickhead leaves boxing the better the sport will be.

cowzerp

Panic E wrote: »

Most MMA fighters thought that Pacquaio won it too. Personally I felt it was a draw as I said earlier a la Jeff Powell

They should have been allowed to fight until there was a clear winner seeing as the rules apparently don't matter :pac:

MMA fighters no nothing about Boxing, that's like saying the Dublin GAA team thought Liverpool should have won, means nothing

moneyman wrote: »

Can you please stop repeating lies? You're either wrong or lying, not sure which, but I've seen you mention Pacquiao being afraid of needles multiple times. He said he didn't want blood to be drawn close to the fight, not that he was afraid of needles. He said this on TV in the Philippines years ago, that he had blood drawn before one of his losses and he had felt it made him weaker. There is no big conspiracy. This information is readily available for anyone who wants actual facts, yet I constantly see you, cowzerp and multiple others repeating this lie over and over. It just weakens your argument.

Bob Arum said Manny was afraid of needles to stop the fight happening, you can try hide the truth but it's hardly news, Bob obviously forgot Manny was full of tattoos

Panic E wrote: »

Pacquaio is the one with the 'excuses' now and is even a 'coward' according to Floyd. :rolleyes:

Manny fought like a coward, he didn't attack because he knew he'd be knocked out, the dull fight was all Manny's fault, Floyd done what he always done, Manny changed his way of fighting due to fear

T-K-O

cowzerp wrote: »

MMA fighters no nothing about Boxing, that's like saying the Dublin GAA team thought Liverpool should have won, means nothing



Bob Arum said Manny was afraid of needles to stop the fight happening, you can try hide the truth but it's hardly news, Bob obviously forgot Manny was full of tattoos



Manny fought like a coward, he didn't attack because he knew he'd be knocked out, the dull fight was all Manny's fault, Floyd done what he always done, Manny changed his way of fighting due to fear

Nonsense, it takes two to tango. In every great Pacquiao fight the other guy also wanted to fight.
Pac did attack PBF and it cost him the fight. It was Manny on the front foot for the majority of that fight.

Of course, Floyd reduced his output, that is a PBF trait but to say the fought like a coward is one of the dumbest statements i have read on here.

walshb

cowzerp wrote: »

Manny fought like a coward, he didn't attack because he knew he'd be knocked out, the dull fight was all Manny's fault, Floyd done what he always done, Manny changed his way of fighting due to fear

I just can't get behind this at all. Manny tried, and almost threw as much as Floyd. Of course he was not going to fight Floyd like others. That doesn't mean that translates to him being a coward. Had he tried to fight others like Floyd he may well have gotten hit a lot more, and people would be saying that he fought dumb.

The overall fight and movement and flow was the same for both. They equally made for a stinker and let down, but the fact remains that the so called GOAT, who was bigger and more natural at the weight fought a whole lot less like the GOAT or the naturally bigger man. One could more apply the coward term to him. Manny was the one who for the most part made a fight of it.

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

I just can't get behind this at all. Manny tried, and almost threw as much as Floyd. Of course he was not going to fight Floyd like others. That doesn't mean that translates to him being a coward. Had he tried to fight others like Floyd he may well have gotten hit a lot more, and people would be saying that he fought dumb.

The overall fight and movement and flow was the same for both. They equally made for a stinker and let down, but the fact remains that the so called GOAT, who was bigger and more natural at the weight fought a whole lot less like the GOAT or the naturally bigger man. One could more apply the coward term to him. Manny was the one who for the most part made a fight of it.

This.

For those who follow other sports, John Jones / Anderson Silva / Tiger Woods / Barca / Reger Federer - that is what the GOAT looks like.

PBF is a great fighter with some of the best defense I have seen. It ends there. I just hope he retires in Sept.

Panic E

Gee lads. Calling Pacquioa a coward for having an injured shoulder is a bit too steep!

What about the list of fighters that Mayweather ducked? Surely that's more to form.

walshb

Panic E wrote: »

Gee lads. Calling Pacquioa a coward for having an injured shoulder is a bit too steep!

What about the list of fighters that Mayweather ducked? Surely that's more to form.

It's more calling him a coward for not fighting. That's how I interpreted the claim. Shoulder injury or not.

walshb

cowzerp wrote: »

Manny fought like a coward, he didn't attack because he knew he'd be knocked out, the dull fight was all Manny's fault, Floyd done what he always done, Manny changed his way of fighting due to fear

BTW, if you were to criticize Floyd or post where he maybe let you down from the fight what would it be? Isn't it best to maybe judge both men and give + and - for both?

cowzerp

walshb wrote: »

BTW, if you were to criticize Floyd or post where he maybe let you down from the fight what would it be? Isn't it best to maybe judge both men and give + and - for both?

floyd won 10 of the 12 rounds, i judged it as a judge at the time and when i heard 2 judges gave manny 4 rounds i thought it was stupid tbh
if you're talking from a spectators point of view i would have liked to see him go attack and KO Manny, as i think he could have, from a coaches point of view, he didn't need too, Manny simply didn't try

Manny fought different to usual not Floyd, The more pressure Manny put on the more countering Floyd would have done, that;s the nature of counter fighting!

Also the fans are seriously talking pony saying how Manny walke him down, he simply didn't, how there was so much hugging, was actually very little for a Floyd fight, how it was dirty! c'mon it wasn't a dirty fight, it was simply Floyd beating him most rounds by landing more, at 3-0 up after the 1st 3 the onus was on Manny to turn it, he did for 1 round then bottled it

walshb

Floyd Senior as his coach wasn't all that impressed judging by the comments between rds. He wanted Floyd to start seizing the fight.

HigginsJ

I see Paulie Maliganaggi has had a real go at Pacquiao.

At first he [Pacquiao] tried to say he won the fight. He didn’t even mention an injury

He then gets out of the ring and must have seen how ridiculous that he must have sounded that he thought he had won the fight, so he comes up with another excuse on the fly. So he went from ‘I thought I won the fight’ to the crazy injury that he’d injured his shoulder.”

“For me it’s disgusting,”

“You’re [Pacquiao] still bringing negative attention to the fight. Just go home, go back to the Philippines, go hang out with your family, get a big check. That’s it. For the first time in your life stop being such a narcissistic [expletive].”

Bit surprised to see Paulie being so forceful in his comments.

Johner

Paulie is a huge believer that Pacman has cheated his way to the top(drugs). Always very vocal about it on Twitter.

HigginsJ

Johner wrote: »

Paulie is a huge believer that Pacman has cheated his way to the top(drugs). Always very vocal about it on Twitter.

That explains it, I knew they hadn't fought so I couldn't understand what was up with Paulie.

Talib Fiasco

Paulie would still jump at the chance of fighting Manny for a pay day. I think there are only a handful of guys in Boxing I hate more than him...nothing more than a c*cky loud mouth who thinks he knows a lot more than he does.

HigginsJ

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Paulie would still jump at the chance of fighting Manny for a pay day. I think there are only a handful of guys in Boxing I hate more than him...nothing more than a c*cky loud mouth who thinks he knows a lot more than he does.

I like him, he is a good co-commentator on the fights I have seen him do. I can see why the whole "cocky loud mouth" stuff would grate though.

Panic E

Johner wrote: »

Paulie is a huge believer that Pacman has cheated his way to the top(drugs). Always very vocal about it on Twitter.

That's a bit rich coming from someone who is working with Memo Heredia?

pac_man wrote: »

I was going to say that them comments come with an agenda in the form of Al Haymon

Got it in one man. His opinions on everything changed once he signed up.

Talib Fiasco

HigginsJ wrote: »

I like him, he is a good co-commentator on the fights I have seen him do. I can see why the whole "cocky loud mouth" stuff would grate though.

He does make some good points in fights but I always feel he has to have his voice heard and is too loud for my liking...much prefer the more relaxed and more calculated Roy Jones Jr, Al Bernstein who've I've grown to like and I really enjoy Andre Ward when he commentates.

Panic E

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

much prefer the more relaxed and more calculated Roy Jones Jr, Al Bernstein who've I've grown to like

x2, good combination there. Really liking Bernstein lately too actually

Halloween Jack

pac_man wrote: »

I don't think there's concrete proof that he is working with him. Heredia has stated that he wasn't working with him.

I saw Paulie refer to heredia as a 'genius' on Twitter.

Working with him or not, whoever labels that man a genius has no right to be wading in to a debate around drugs in sport.

Talib Fiasco

Heredia is up there with Don King etc. in terms of people most responsible for poisoning Boxing :pac:... ah yeah a little extreme but this man is doing Boxing and indeed sport no good.

Halloween Jack

Panic E wrote: »

What do you all think of this Angel Heredia dude working with fighters in boxing anyway???

And do you all know his history, I'm presuming most do. I knew nothing about PED's in sport.

Then he started working with Floyd, all the YTBC went ape and I learned a lot. That was comical!

Deeply troubling is what I think of that guy sniffing around boxing.

he's toxic and I find it strange that he seems to operate openly in the fight game. I know bolt's people, for example, were very quick to deny he had ever worked with this guy a few years ago...

walshb

Just to keep going on this::)

I'd add in the point that all 3 judges were U.S. judges.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-3077424/The-punch-statistics-prove-Floyd-Mayweather-fortunate-beat-Manny-Pacquiao-unanimous-decision.html

The conclusions here include:

1) The fight was far closer than the judges, especially Moretti, and most pundits perceived

2) Many rounds were exceptionally difficult if not too close to call.

3) The punch stats as counted in the heat of the night are profoundly suspect (one US commentator who had Pacquaio winning asked if they were compiled by ‘kids from the HBO and Showtime offices’ and was told ‘Yes.’)

4) Pacquiao’s claim that he had won the fight was reasonable, not outrageous as the in-ring interviewer implied.

5) If watching on television, maybe better to mute the sound commentary.

6) Mayweather is very wise to keep insisting on home-town advantage in Las Vegas, which benefits from the huge economic impact of his fights.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-3077424/The-punch-statistics-prove-Floyd-Mayweather-fortunate-beat-Manny-Pacquiao-unanimous-decision.html#ixzz3ZvTkJHiz
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