[Superthread] Mayweather vs Pacman NO STREAMING REQUESTS

Emmo-m- · 06-05-2015 04:33PM

walshb wrote: »

You don't need to watch it feeling that you need to be vindicated. I will try watch it and I will gladly come back and say I got it wrong if that is the case. It's not a Manny vs. Floyd fan base issue with me. It's about fairness and reporting equally for both men. For me that certainly is not the case in many posts and commentaries.

BTW, if you happen to get a clear score for either man then let us know if the rds were very tight and close in your view, which would allow for maybe a different result from a different scorer.

No not to vindicate Floyd winning , I meant to watch it in the possibility I can see more where some people are scoring it close or giving it to Manny. I had it originally 9-3 on saturday night but it was late and I was just trying to enjoy it.

I watched again on sunday purely just to watch in the comfort of my own home ha. Ill be sure to report back after I get a chance to watch it back anyway.

supersean1999 · 06-05-2015 04:33PM

Anyone who thinks that was a draw or manny won,is either lying to them selves or blinded with hatred for mayweather, such nonsense, get over it mayweather deserved the win, he would of beaten pac 10 years ago,5 years ago, and again next year if it happens,

walshb · 06-05-2015 04:37PM

supersean1999 wrote: »

Anyone who thinks that was a draw or manny won,is either lying to them selves or blinded with hatred for mayweather, such nonsense, get over it mayweather deserved the win, he would of beaten pac 10 years ago,5 years ago, and again next year if it happens,

About as unconvincing a post as there is on the thread.

Loamachenko hates Floyd? Evander hates Floyd? I hate Floyd? Mosely hates Floyd?

supersean1999 · 06-05-2015 04:45PM

walshb wrote: »

About as unconvincing a post as there is on the thread.

Loamachenko hates Floyd? Evander hates Floyd? I hate Floyd?

Probably, i dont really like him, and most people cant stand him, he gets booed and was convicted of wife abuse, so ya he is probably well hated, whats your big arguement really, other than to go against the grain all to often, its tedious ,

walshb · 06-05-2015 04:47PM

supersean1999 wrote: »

Probably, i dont really like him, and most people cant stand him, he gets booed and was convicted of wife abuse, so ya he is probably well hated, whats your big arguement really, other than to go against the grain all to often, its tedious ,

Oh, so it's just me who goes against the grain?

What's your view apart from saying "it's tedious?" Have you got anything constructive or of value to add, maybe?

I don't see why anyone would come to a debate and bring next to nothing with them, apart from people "lying to them selves or blinded."

supersean1999 · 06-05-2015 04:52PM

walshb wrote: »

Oh, so it's just me who goes against the grain?

What's your view apart from saying "it's tedious?" Have you got anything constructive or of value to add, maybe?

I don't see why anyone would come to a debate and bring next to nothing with them, apart from people "lying to them selves or blinded."

Mayweather clearly won, there is no debate in my eyes, i dont feel the need to justify what 95% (thats a guess) of the world and 3 judges thought, time to move on, ill unfollow the thread because reading it has become a bit annoying, so thats the debate over, enjoy

walshb · 06-05-2015 04:55PM

supersean1999 wrote: »

Mayweather clearly won, there is no debate in my eyes, i dont feel the need to justify what 95% (thats a guess) of the world and 3 judges thought, time to move on, ill unfollow the thread because reading it has become a bit annoying, so thats the debate over, enjoy

Thanks, so in a nutshell, nothing to see here! We're all just Floyd haters.

Panic E · 06-05-2015 05:25PM

walshb wrote: »

I will try watch it and I will gladly come back and say I got it wrong if that is the case.

x2. The punch stats were arseways and the fight was too close, I just wanna see it objectively.

menoscemo · 06-05-2015 06:27PM

walshb wrote: »

From the poster in the article linked by Henno. Might be worth re-watching the fight with these rds in mind. Rd for rd basis. I will try it, and I WILL give an honest assessment. I have always been honest in assessing fights and have got on here plenty of times to admit I got something wrong.

"my summary of the fight from analyzing it in depth. pac clearly won 6 rounds: 3,4,6,7,8, and 10. floyd clearly won 5 rounds: 1,2,5,11,12. The 9th round really was a toss up if i had to lean i would probably give it to pac for simply landing the harder punches. An even round is also fine and giving it to floyd isn't wrong at all. So my card would be either 7-5 pac, 6-5-1 even pac or a draw 6-6.

my reasoning: round 3 a lot of people seem to give to floyd but I can't see why. pac outlanded him in total punches, power punches, and had the best punch of the round. round 6 floyd actually outlanded pac 15-14 but most of floyd's punches were jabs while all of pacs were power to the head and body and he also had floyd wobbled. A clear example of a round where quality over quantity trumps. Round 8 was also an example of quality over quantity as floyd outlanded pac 11-9 but pac stunned him with 3 great flush punches. floyd's power punches lacked any authority or flushness in this round and pac landed the 3 best punches of the round that slightly troubled floyd so I think he deserves this round."

Funny how the 2 official judges that Gave Pacquiao 4 rounds both had him winning round 9, yet this guy doesn't!!

However I agree with him on Round 8 and 3 I Gave pacman 8 and a share of 3 yet none of the judges gave him anything for those rounds.

Talib Fiasco · 06-05-2015 06:43PM

I thought Manny won round 12 by default as Floyd literally ran for the whole round.

menoscemo · 06-05-2015 06:50PM

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

I thought Manny won round 12 by default as Floyd literally ran for the whole round.

Even the man who Walsh is quoting who gave the fight to Pacquiao says round 12 was a clear round to Floyd.
Just shows how subjective it can be.

boxer.fan · 06-05-2015 07:32PM

Lads it's very simple really when you strip it all back.

1. Manny couldn't go at Floyd because he was injured. Unfortunate but it happens

2. Floyd couldn't go at Manny because with Manny being injured he may have got a tko stoppage and would have destroyed any opportunity for a rematch. Remember rematch = money and floyd does like the cash.

walshb · 06-05-2015 08:32PM

menoscemo wrote: »

Funny how the 2 official judges that Gave Pacquiao 4 rounds both had him winning round 9, yet this guy doesn't!!

However I agree with him on Round 8 and 3 I Gave pacman 8 and a share of 3 yet none of the judges gave him anything for those rounds.

But that's the deal with close and difficult to score rds. People can have different cards because of it. Dave Moreti had Mayweather winning rd 9, just like the guy from boxing scene. Jeff Powell from sportsmail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-3065922/Floyd-Mayweather-vs-Manny-Pacquiao-fight-scorecard-Official-round-round-boxing-stats-compared-Jeff-Powell-s-verdict.html) had the rd even, and the other two judges had Manny winning it.

As to rd 3. I felt that was more a Manny rd than any rd in the fight almost, yet no judge gave him it. We did, Jeff Powell did and the guy in the link did. That's why I find it bizarre that many here won't even entertain anything other than a Floyd win, and clear one at that.

efb · 06-05-2015 08:53PM

Subjective if you are counting things that don't count. Any report I've read from a sports journo has no issue with the decision

walshb · 06-05-2015 08:54PM

Levra wrote: »

he clearly beat Pacquiao.

So much so that I (close and could have gone to either man), and others, including Mosley/Holyfield/Lomachenko felt that Manny won.

walshb · 06-05-2015 08:55PM

efb wrote: »

Subjective if you are counting things that don't count. Any report I've read from a sports journo has no issue with the decision

Nor do I have an issue with the decision.

Joeseph Balls · 06-05-2015 09:22PM

walshb wrote: »

So much so that I (close and could have gone to either man), and others, including Mosley/Holyfield/Lomachenko felt that Manny won.

Walsh I believe you are like me in thinking Oscar beat Floyd. In your opinion do you feel this was as close? Different style of fight I know.

walshb · 06-05-2015 09:36PM

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

Walsh I believe you are like me in thinking Oscar beat Floyd. In your opinion do you feel this was as close? Different style of fight I know.

I watched that Oscar fight twice and it was close, but again, no way clear for Mayweather. His offense was nothing special, and people forget that Floyd missed as much shots as Oscar. Oscar blocked many many shots in that fight. It was a poor fight. Split decision win. Razor close win for Floyd. No issue with Oscar getting that verdict.

This Pacman fight was even less offensively impressive from Floyd. I will say it was the weakest offensive display in Floyd's career.

darced · 06-05-2015 10:44PM

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Diddley Squat · 06-05-2015 11:31PM

I felt deflated for a few days after the fight .................

I really hope they both retire now and lets start again from the beginning.

THe time is now for a new generation to emerge. A new era with a new set of stars, and a new set of contests.

Mister Vain · 07-05-2015 01:31AM

Pacman and Maidana would be a good fight.

Panic E · 07-05-2015 03:46AM

So here it is, the very best of Floyd's 'masterful' performance. Your thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5YzKTIwprY

wrote:

Mayweather vs Pacquiao In case you are one of those casual boxing fans that watched the fight and thought Manny Pacman Pacquiao actually had a chance against Floyd Money Mayweather or questioned why your favorite fighter only threw 400 punches the whole match. This video was made to help school you on the art boxing. Now everyone settle down while class is in session!

walshb · 07-05-2015 08:55AM

darced wrote: »

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2-3 rds you scored you admit were close. In saying this it's not at all strange or off that they could go to Manny depending on subjectivity and criteria. 8-4 can easily become 6-6.

I must watch rd 1 again. I gave it to Floyd, but felt that it was not at all clear. It was a tame and tight rd.

Have you a link to the complete fight?

walshb · 07-05-2015 08:56AM

darced wrote: »

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Very true.

Mister Vain · 07-05-2015 09:02AM

Panic E wrote: »

So here it is, the very best of Floyd's 'masterful' performance. Your thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5YzKTIwprY

Yep that pretty much sums it up. Pacman was outclassed, simple as.

Panic E · 07-05-2015 10:21AM

Mister Vain wrote: »

Yep that pretty much sums it up. Pacman was outclassed, simple as.

Barely any of the shots in that video landed though??? I think it's 2, or 3.

I'l have to watch it again but you can tell as they are framed and slo-mo'd

And so are shots that don't land in that reel which doesn't make any sense!

Mister Vain · 07-05-2015 10:24AM

Panic E wrote: »

Barely any of the shots in that video landed though?

Sure they did. Not all were clean, but he landed more than Manny. I agree with most of the reasons in that video such as speed, counter punching, ring generalship etc, all of which Floyd was better at. Manny just didn't do enough to win the fight, or even make it a close contest for that matter.

Panic E · 07-05-2015 10:37AM

Mister Vain wrote: »

Sure they did. Not all were clean, but he landed more than Manny. I agree with most of the reasons in that video such as speed, counter punching, ring generalship etc, all of which Floyd was better at. Manny just didn't do enough to win the fight, or even make it a close contest for that matter.

Mickey mouse jabs man? He threw a good few, but most didn't land or were blocked etc. He landed 1 good hook and 1 good straight the whole fight.

His only 2 power shots there. I agree Manny didn't do enough for whatever reason, but he did land the harder shots on the night for one thing.

walshb · 07-05-2015 10:39AM

Panic E wrote: »

Mickey mouse jabs man? He threw a good few, but most didn't land or were blocked etc. He landed 1 good hook and one good straight the whole fight (power shots). I agree Manny didn't do enough for whatever reason, but he did land the harder shots on the night for one thing.

Exactly what I was thinking. The offense from both men was mickey mouse. Mayweather's was every bit as weak as Pacquiao's. Close fight throughout.

Mister Vain · 07-05-2015 10:49AM

Panic E wrote: »

Mickey mouse jabs man? He threw a good few, but most didn't land or were blocked etc. He landed 1 good hook and 1 good straight the whole fight.

Did you not see the bodywork, effective aggression and power clips? He landed a lot more than a few Mickey mouse jabs.

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