Cork GAA Discussion Thread

lukin wrote: »

Strange timing,there's more to this than meets the eye methinks.
She didn't play last Sunday,wasn't even togged off in fact.

And apparently another great servant either not togged out
I didn't think be trouble as Paudie dunlea terrific coach however two players not togged out are great players is strange
Hard to know what is the story

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/hurling/plenty-to-ponder-for-jimmy-barry-murphy-as-cork-forwards-struggle-for-possession-328734.html

The stats show cork lack of desire and focus for this game
Last year v clare and limerick and the all Ireland finals cork work rate was top class and even this year all players spoke how improved under landers
That's one factor waterford no matter how good they were can't control was cork showed no appetite in the tackle
It imo proves cork only half focused and June will be better

sean mac wrote: »

They will be destroyed by clare first if gary brennan and others are playing. Not only is Maguire out, ruair deane damaged his shoulder badly for blues while paddy Kelly hobbled off for collig - absolute disaster.
As for keepers, paddy o shea was outstanding for vincents the other night, his presence, kickouts and shot stopping better then the managers club mate.

Cork playing Dublin in a friendly on sunday in cill na martra, Dublin fielding a b team while cork wont know until sunday who is togging due to club championship.
John hayes excellent at his level - club for rangers yesterday who were caught late by valley.

i will be at the game on Sunday so be interesting to see what Dublin 2nd string is. probably better than Corks starting 15 at the moment.

Ballingeary are playing Macroom in the PIFC on Saturday evening in Kilnamartyra also so will go to watch that too

lukin wrote: »

Strange timing,there's more to this than meets the eye methinks.
She didn't play last Sunday,wasn't even togged off in fact.

She is changing careers and knowing Anna, wants to give it 100%, and wouldn't want to be playing camogie not giving it 100%. The reason why she wasn't togged off is because she is injured, with a shin injury that she has had since the All Ireland club semi final, so she hasn't appeared at all in the league

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

And apparently another great servant either not togged out
I didn't think be trouble as Paudie dunlea terrific coach however two players not togged out are great players is strange
Hard to know what is the story

Who is that you are referring to?

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Cork are not ruthless like KK and other teams, JBM's selection of nice wristy hurlers all the time doesn't work. TTM, you are actually questioning the desire of the Cork team to win, and looking towards the Championship game v Waterford, all this smoke and daggers rubbish??? Without a doubt, Cork went out to win - and to say anything otherwise is disrespectful to the players. Your posts have never given credit to Waterford and have disrespected their achievement by saying Cork weren't focused etc. They simply didn't turn up - and not to have the aggression? What has been posted on here is basically that Cork went out not caring about winning another hurling title to save ideas for a championship game. No inter county manager worth their salt does things like that. A final is a final - you set out the best you have and go to win it.

Cork had no idea with 20 mins to go how to break down Waterford, to make the changes necessary to win the game. Cork's goals have dried up, You can't do a Manchester United or Real Madrid attitude of the past saying sure, you score loads but we'll score more than you. One player in Ellis missing and Cork went to pieces!

The key line written above is that Tipp got two goal chances and they took then, Cork just got two chances. If KK got in their, they'd come away with a goal. Comes back the ruthlessness and being clinical when you get the chances

A lot valid points and I crave and always have done for clincal execution in any cork team but there's no doubt imo cork were not showing their full hand
Pat mulchay ex captain of cork and tremendous servant and coach of cit, one of the most passionate cork men around said it yesterday in the examiner that he felt cork didn't show all their aces and said like I said why didn't cork change their tactics at half time but showed no desire to do that and having played the correct sweeper v clare threw times now I don't for any second belive cork allowed cormac Murphy play the sweeper when its almost certain lorcan mclougjlin will play that role where's he has played it before and will allow Murphy do what he does best, win ball from half back and score long distance
It made no sense cork played their ace long distance shooter from half back confined to a deep sweeper role imo

I can list other examples too
So yes I could be wrong but my view i dont for one minute belive this was the real cork Sunday

I'm not questioning the desire so much, from the players in i have actually always stood up for their spirt and desire even v tipp last year when some fans called them soft, what I am saying is like clare in 98 and kerry many time v cork in the league and even in munster championship under Counihan they weren't focused and in the right place to really perform and they will have no doubt be in June

What's imo wrong is cork team with four injures who almost always showed hunger and fight undrr jbm bar one game last year are suddenly written off that can't beat waterford who have hardly to be fair done much against cork in recent games


I hsve many times questioned kerry v cork in the league their want and desire, am I being disrespectful no
As I laud kerry with praise and point is not being disrespectful rather I'm being realistic to judge each game on its own merits


What I do find disrespectful is cork football team being called soft, all players hugely critsed last week despite several all Ireland senior medal and under twenty one winners and sigerson cup winners etc without any real questions of the management despite none actually having any proven record in the game bar the exception of the brilliant Flanagan but he's only really fitness coach and fitness won't be the reason cork don't go far this year


Pat mulchay also questioned cork way they were set up he thought it he said was a deliberate ploy
Now he's not for one minute question or being disrespectful to cork players when he's actually a club man of coughlan and coached Ellis Walsh, mclougjlin, cooper, Mcdonnell etc so I don't think they for one minute would find he's view disstepctful at all and he coached many of them


You make a great point I totally agree with in you can't be man United or Real we concede one well get two
It's the kevin keegan philosophy however cork fans need to actually apply this sentiment to the football not the hurlers who defence actually is okay despite having no full back last three years but the football who actually have cover in the backs since day one under cuthbert attacked and conceding huge scores past years and going blanket style conceded 8-130
That's let be honest is shocking in a blanket defence
But like I said cuthbert minors were v armagh conceding a lot and managed to outscore them to a win, we must be surely the only team or one of a few to concede five goals to Galway in minor semi final and win and v Tyrone we again in the final tried to outscore them but our defence cost us

Since cuthbert took over despite missing few retirement there imo is no excuse in cork defensive record has actually got worse than counihan and no excuse in Dublin who started their system three months after cork only conceded around four goal and 103 or approximately that or so in the league
Meath in division two changed to defence this year and made an improvement
Kerry in last year league also showed the best defence in the league
Cork with good defenders haven't as they have no structure or organisation and that imo is a direct reflection on their coaching and management

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/tomaacutes-mulcahy-cork-mustnbspup-workrate-by-200-328669.html

Pat mulchay bit at the end

It's not imo the fact throwing away a national title but the fact the close proximity of both cork waterford games
This was the only final since 2001 that had two teams playing in a final of the league then championship a month later when tipp beat clare then and tipp won twice but that Tipp team were all conquering team who were awesome under English


However tipp had actually beaten clare in the league final yet struggled by a point in the championship to win
I don't belive and I said this from day one cork have anyway depth panel clare kk or tipp have so while I don't agree or accept it's best way cork have to imo this time choose their peak James and as pat mulchay said cork winning was going to be very dangerous for cork v Waterford in June as Waterford were hurting after last year and two defeats would really driven them on
So of all the league title won the last few years no team were in cork position having play same opponent twice
If waterford do beat cork twice in a month I say it now geuinely their some team and deserve huge huge credit and so will mcgrath
But they haven't as of yet



Everyone is questioning cork now, hunger, desire, some say Walsh should stayed football, cork are flops etc , cork have huge focus and motivation the next game


I have no problem saying now cork loose in June it's a disaster for them no other way to say it and I think jbm will question he'd own management imo based on the times interview the weekend
For any fault jbm has if he thinks he holding cork back at least he has the good grace to walk away
I just think very premature to judge cork now as June will be the test and yes we all have different opinions the beauty of sport, I could be wrong of course but I'm hugely confidence for June in what will be a close game

Why do you hold Clare in such high regard? They were terrible last year and are after losing Podge Collins, Colm Galvin, Cathal Mcinnerney, Davy O' Halloran etc. Waterford's squad has more depth than Clare and Cork for sure

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Why do you hold Clare in such high regard? They were terrible last year and are after losing Podge Collins, Colm Galvin, Cathal Mcinnerney, Davy O' Halloran etc. Waterford's squad has more depth than Clare and Cork for sure

With out going in to another line of discussion as this is the cork thread and my mention clare was in reference to newspaper articles waterford being all Ireland contenders this year and clare and kk imo being ahead

But to give one post to answer your question
I suppose call it a view based three times under twenty one champions in a row, twice beating kk, loosing minor to point by kk, whether he's liked or not irrelevant Davy is outstanding manager well proven at lit, clare and indeed has be best waterford manager last forty years imo getting ye to all Ireland final, and tony kelly best hurler in Ireland probably and of course with all the trouble in the camp went to KK twice and pushed the greatest team in Ireland two weeks in a row all the way

Having numbers doesn't mean it's a panel yes but clare after loosing a few still went toe to toe with kk twice so they have lot talented hurlers
Clare players are all proven on the biggest stages and are well proven in the biggest games with the sweeper and orthodox style and despite their problems this league were scoring high in most games
Despite a few problems that now seem sorted thankfully as this team deserves another all Ireland they have a proven all Ireland winning team and all Ireland manager that played awesome counter attacking hurling to win the all Ireland

Deise_2012 wrote: »

ok last post and I'll leave it be for the next few weeks. To say Davy Fitz is the best Waterford manager in the last 40 years is laughable, for enough we made it to the All Ireland final, we beat Antrim, Offaly and barely beat Wexford in the 1/4 final. Tipp were way too arrogant going into the semi final, they had hotels buses and trains booked for the final.....my grandmother could have given the team talk to Waterford in the semi final. We all know about the final in 2008

The next achievement was the Munster final, against a poor poor Cork team, that took us to a replay. You have to agree that Cork team was very bad, Aiseke O' Hailpoin, Cathal Naughton, Michael Cussen... say no more.
In my opinion he's very bad on the sideline to make changes during a match. Many people were delighted to see him gone in 2011 anyway. His treatment of players is very questionable both in Clare and Waterford

Clare went to KK twice and pushed them all the way, but you're forgetting that the Ballyhale contingent weren't playing the first game, they trained one time before the relegation playoff and also Richie Power missing, John Power missing, Padraig Walsh missing, Conor Forgarty, Jackie Tyrell missing the 2nd game.... I wouldn't be too positive about that.

I respect your opinion but I'd have to disagree
Until someone gets waterford to an all Ireland final no one can demean the outstanding achievement of Davy and until it's done will always on the record books go down as the last manager to get ye to all Ireland final
Two previous managers failed so to devalued Davy is incorrect Davy with an old team single handedly imo got waterford to an all Ireland imo final

The talk in waterford Sunday is ye could only beat what's put up in front ye deserve huge credit yet once in championship Davy does it every excuse under the sun is used to devalued him and ye have no problem devaluation yere greatest achievement yet all Ireland final way above any league just cause it suits Davy was never liked in Waterford and it's ironic many that critics he's defence style five years ago now find current waterford style the same style no problem with it
Davy done it with Waterford and clare in championship, end of story imo


As for treatment of players as the clare saga proved until clear evidence comes out from players of such treatment imo Davy is innocent until proven guilty and as seen by the players uniting behind him and o connell coming back they seem to have no problem with him as only one player had a problem and one player doesn't mean imo anything really
Any one I talk to that worked with or under Davy could not speak highly of he's training
Fraggie Murphy apparently rates Davy well the ex cork hurler who played at lit under him and coached with him at lit



I think you are correct well wait til June til after the next game before we talk about the game as we have fair enough different views
I totally respect your opinion but I disagree with it

Fireball07 wrote: »

Walsh at half-forward could be good, he excelled there at U-21 level and while he was alright at midfield last year, he was exposed by Woodlock/McGrath and hasn't had a great season so far. His hurling doesn't seem the sharpest but he'll always be a ball-winning threat. And he is capable of powerful runs if he does get the ball into his hand.

I don't see any sense in moving Ellis from centre-back, he had a very good year last year and while he isn't the most stylish player, he's very solid.


Cahalane at 3 isn't great, but who else is there? Probably will persist with Ryan for a few challenge games. Lorcán to midfield... he's a decent hurler but not top class, but if you do move Walsh, who else is there to put in midfield? There's not many who are certainly better, maybe Rob O'Shea? McDonnell would be good out there, I'd say, but with no Conor O'Sullivan, you're severely weakening your backline.

Good summation. Especially as we'll have a natural sweeper, Ellis should be the spare man. I'd be surprised if Walsh doesn't play 12 and O'Shea at midfield the next day for the reasons you say. O'Shea can also get long distance scores which could be important against Waterford's system.

It'll be interesting to see how Cork approach the next day. Do they push men up or do they hang back slightly and try and play a short game trying to work space to hit quality ball inside or hit long range scores, I'd prefer the latter. They did neither really the last day. They're all tidy enough ball players in the back 8 and especially with the likes of Murphy, O'Shea and Kearney we have good distance shooters.

Limerick beat Waterford 0-18 to 1-10 with a big performance in 2nd half, LK down 3 at half time.

I wasn't at game so I heard someone so obviously was wrong
But makes no difference as all is fine as like said huge fan camoige coach and he's top man

Cork minor face limerick again
Course they can win but all credit to limerick they learned from the cork game and got their team spot on

That half forward line limerick is very good and mackey got game time so huge bonus
Cork will i would think make changes for the semi final from the team the ist day

Huge ask in limerick but cork sent last year's with lot injuries and two during the game and were competitive
Limerick aren't as strong but there a fine side and cotk only have Kingston from last year
A huge game now
Flanagan is some player and school mates from the harty o loughin and o mahonry will face each other again
Limerick will have huge motivation from loosing a month ago

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I wasn't at game so I heard someone so obviously was wrong
But makes no difference as all is fine as like said huge fan camoige coach and he's top man
o

But there is a big dual star who is going to be out for a while, but it has got nothing to do with coaches

Anyone hear anything about the U21 hurlers? Keeping a v low profile.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/valleys/
Should get a call up for cork at midfield
Even as a half forward also could do a job third midfielder and track back but unlike cork current lads can kick pass well and create
A big tall player but he's very mobile
Can't be no worse than what cork currently have and there's a chance he's at least one per cent better which is even an improvement at this stage