Does anyone like the Iona Institute?

any decent John Waters/Iona Institute memes out there?

Do not like them or any other agenda driven hardliners hiding behind fancy names. But a lot of people must like them because of all the publicity they get. John Waters certainly is a fan. If not a member!

blue_belt wrote: »

Then I have some magic beans you might be interested in

Anyone who views ISIS as preferable to Iona is someone I want to do business with

Anybody who considers ISIS more of a threat to Irish citizens than the ideology which has given us some of the most restrictive divorce laws in the world, restrictions on contraception, homosexuality illegal until 1992, the X case, symphysiotomy, restrictions on cancer treatment for women of childbearing age, Savita, forced caesarian sections, thousands of stolen babies in the Mother and Baby homes, the Magdalen laundries and oh yes, the decades of concealment of child abuse needs to get their outrage monitor checked.

Nobody views ISIS as "preferable" but a shower of lunatics in the Middle East are irrelevant to most Irish people. Good job dragging them into this, though. Ask yourself - if I'm bringing up ISIS to make a favourable comparison with the Iona crew, perhaps there really, really isn't much that can be said in their defence?

"They're not as bad as ISIS" - wow, what a campaign slogan.

Manach wrote: »

So as the OP has asked a question. Might the counter-question be what is their own explicit source of opinion on social matters and what qualifies as too anything is this rather relativistic post-modern society?

In original answer, yes.

That might beg some counter-counter questions, along the lines of relativistic compared to what precisely? It could be argued that current societal mores are extremely conservative compared to historic norms.

Clearly, ISIS are far more evil than Iona because of the things they have done. But ISIS have been many years in the making and have been the result of decades of bloody warfare in some of the most unstable and violent nations on earth in recent history.

Iona share many of the same intolerant views although they will try and hide them. John Waters is a fan: enough said!! The Iona Institute is a part of a much larger and more dangerous group of think tanks that transcends just the Catholic agenda to also include hardline rightwing atheist and unionist thought as well. It is an attempt to bring the far right together through the media.

ISIS took many years and many wars to form. This book came out in the 1970s credit to Ayatollah Khomeini who certainly did NOT write it all by himself (it more than likely has nothing got to do with him apart from he being licensed to use it in an Arab experiment to ruin a Persian country: it is more than likely lifted 100% from some Saudi Arabian petrodollar funded think tank from the 1960s or 1970s):

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/rkhomeini/books/velayat_faqeeh.pdf

The arguments are very well made and it is intelligently written. It is designed to get people to see the world injustices of the banking system, monarchies, imperialism, superpowerism, and so on. The whole moral issues are also argued well and there is even a justification backing up the stoning of women. ONLY a Saudi could have written this thing and ONLY a Saudi could fund it. Khomeini would not even have access to this sort of extremism in his own country as it was unheard of there in the 1970s. This document did not kill people in the 1970s but the paranoia of some Saudi nutcase combined with the money hungry aspirations of a poor priest from Iran who accepted money to do this launched decades of trouble. Ironically, it is now the very state that this priest founded, the Islamic Republic of Iran, that is doing most to defeat ISIS!

Iona are trying to do similar. Catholicism, like 1970s Islam, has moderated. The current pope is a relative moderate and even all recent popes (even those considered conservative) have had to be pragmatic with the changes of the world. Moderate Islam in 1970s Iran scared the hell out of the Saudis and thus Iran had to be consumed. Likewise, moderate shifts in Catholicism are being stopped in their tracks by Iona and co. Iona should NOT fool us and we should take note before things are too late.

RobertKK wrote: »

Sure with Iona beheading people, burning people alive, burying people alive, destroying archaeological sites going back millennia and killing Christians, it makes Isis not seem too bad when they oppose same sex marriage and abortion.

I may have gotten that the wrong way around.

I have no problem with Iona, but I do love how they raise the hackles for some people.

Their ideology and intolerance to others amuses you?

RobertKK wrote: »

Nobody expected that!

RobertKK wrote: »

I was speaking to a well known broadcaster from RTE, he told me they find it hard to find people for certain debates and it is just a small group of people who are prepared to go on radio or TV.

The fact is the media looks for their views.

David Quinn was right to go on about polygamy as the Green party in the UK have said they wouldn't oppose it.

Polygamy has no relevance to the marriage equality referendum. By attempting to drag such unrelated issues into the debate, Quinn is employing the standard religious fundamentalist tactic of starting off with a conclusion ("equality is bad, mkay?") and then scrabbling around for a premise ("Hmmm... kids... family... Oh, I know... polygamy!")