Has Mayweather/Pacquiao done the business of boxing more harm than good?

davegrohl48 · 04-05-2015 02:27PM

Alot of things about the fight left a sour taste.
- The ring walk was the biggest sell out I'v seen. Jimmy Kimmel, Justin Bieber, The Burger King doll head.
- The fight didn't have the action of a sporting contest. As people referenced twas like a white collar boxing event with constant touching of gloves. Paquaio fought at a terribly low pace way below his usual punch volume.
I believe the scoring system is a problem in that rounds are never drawn. Mayweather clearly won, but he wouldn't be quite so certain if rounds that are close are called as draws. This would force him to press the action more and force Paquaio to respond with more volume.
In general I am tired of looking at title fights in a sport that is all about agility and speed being fought between guys well into their 30's.
I'm tired of guys like Jones/Hopkins etc. getting title shots/belts into their 40's.
I believe Amir Khan would trouble Mayweather due to him having a lightening left jab and a longer reach. I don't expect to see that fight happen.
The only solution would be one governing body that arranges bouts with the Friday/Saturday night tv rights sold to the highest publically available tv bidder in each country globally. End the days of Pay per view and make up for it financially by selling it as commonly accepted global tv thing that boxing is regularly on tv globally on Saturday night. You should have to fight your way into contention and fighters should have no say over who they fight.

walshb · 04-05-2015 09:37PM

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Mayweather clearly won,

I don't buy this. I am not arguing for a Manny win, but Floyd didn't do anything clearly. That was what stank for me. His offense was not at all clear. It may have "looked" snappy and flash at time, but how clear and heavy and effective was it? Surely eve the most ardent Floyd fans can see this?

So, how did he win clearly? Was he getting points for moving backwards and dodging shots?

I wanted Floyd to put on a show. I have admire several of his previous wins. I juts cannot take to his recent ones, and it's all down to his very weak offensive output.

davegrohl48 · 04-05-2015 09:49PM

walshb wrote: »

I don't buy this. I am not arguing for a Manny win, but Floyd didn't do anything clearly. That was what stank for me. His offense was not at all clear. It may have "looked" snappy and flash at time, but how clear and heavy and effective was it? Surely eve the most ardent Floyd fans can see this?

So, how did he win clearly? Was he getting points for moving backwards and dodging shots?

I wanted Floyd to put on a show. I have admire several of his previous wins. I juts cannot take to his recent ones, and it's all down to his very weak offensive output.

Clear based on at least four of the rounds where Paquaio threw very little. A lot of Mayweathers jabs looked tame enough and blocked. Its why I think he will struggle with Khan, he will not land that jab on Khan.

Peter Anthony · 04-05-2015 09:51PM

mdwexford wrote: »

There is one UFC belt in each weight class.
There are other organisations but they are recognised as the biggest promotion.

MMA is far more exciting than boxing.

Everything surrounding it? Like what

UFC will never have a Mayweather or a Pacquaio or the endless list of crossover Boxing stars. I know it hurts you and the MMA fanboys but those are the facts. Saturday was the biggest grossing sporting event of all time but Boxing is dying, and MMA is on the rise? :pac::rolleyes:

Most people couldnt even name an MMA fight or fighter outside McGregor and possibly that Rousey girl. Ever since Lesnars left MMA has slowly died. In Britain nobody cares, and neither do most in America anymore.

Once the McGregor bandwagon ends nobody here will care either.

zzfh · 04-05-2015 10:11PM

What will the next 'fight of the century' be?or who could be possible involved? after mayweather and pac retire in the summer.

Endthescam · 04-05-2015 10:16PM

Golovkin could form one half of that fight.

Henno30 · 04-05-2015 10:30PM

zzfh wrote: »

What will the next 'fight of the century' be?or who could be possible involved? after mayweather and pac retire in the summer.

Pac and Floyd aren't retiring in the summer. Given the money they still make I doubt they'll be permanently retired for years.

Canelo-Golovkin could be a big fight, but there will be nothing of this magnitude for some time.

martyos121 · 04-05-2015 10:45PM

Peter Anthony wrote: »

UFC will never have a Mayweather or a Pacquaio or the endless list of crossover Boxing stars. I know it hurts you and the MMA fanboys but those are the facts. Saturday was the biggest grossing sporting event of all time but Boxing is dying, and MMA is on the rise? :pac::rolleyes:

Most people couldnt even name an MMA fight or fighter outside McGregor and possibly that Rousey girl. Ever since Lesnars left MMA has slowly died. In Britain nobody cares, and neither do most in America anymore.

Once the McGregor bandwagon ends nobody here will care either.

This may shock you, but some people here actually enjoy MMA, and will continue to do so after that clown from Dublin gets knocked on his arse. Not a knock on McGreogor by any means, he's a great fighter, but the MMA fan base in Ireland started LONG before he showed up, and just like the proper boxing fans (which I'm not) they will continue to watch the sport and stay in love with it.

Your post was poorly thought out tbh.

Endthescam · 04-05-2015 10:53PM

All those irish mma fans that used to pack out venues in their hundreds for years.

Talib Fiasco · 04-05-2015 10:53PM

Roman Gonzalez - Naoya Inoue...mark my words. If these two lads get exposure at all this has all the potential to be one of the best rivalries of all time.

martyos121 · 04-05-2015 10:56PM

Endthescam wrote: »

All those irish mma fans that used to pack out venues in their hundreds for years.

Because you've been to every single one of them and seen them for yourself?
:rolleyes:
If you think MMA didn't have a following over here pre-McGregor, I can't take anything you post even slightly seriously.

Endthescam · 04-05-2015 10:59PM

martyos121 wrote: »

Because you've been to every single one of them and seen them for yourself?
:rolleyes:
If you think MMA didn't have a following over here pre-McGregor, I can't take anything you post even slightly seriously.

It didn't.

martyos121 · 04-05-2015 11:01PM

Endthescam wrote: »

It didn't.

Show me the numbers, throw out a few stats. At least TRY and back up your wildly incorrect "opinion" (and that's all it is).

Endthescam · 04-05-2015 11:03PM

martyos121 wrote: »

Show me the numbers, throw out a few stats. At least TRY and back up your wildly incorrect "opinion" (and that's all it is).

No tv or media coverage. About as relevant as field hockey.

martyos121 · 04-05-2015 11:09PM

Endthescam wrote: »

No tv or media coverage. About as relevant as field hockey.

So you're telling me that before 2013 when McGregor burst onto the scene, there was no TV coverage of MMA? That's funny because I remember it being shown on Bravo for years on years which attracted a good audience here and in the UK, followed by coverage on Setanta, ESPN and BT, as well as a season or two of TUF on Sky Sports? Not to mention the wealth of MMA news and videos freely available online to anyone.

Normally I'd take the high road and leave the stats speak for themselves, but you are a different kind of ignorant.

Big Ears · 04-05-2015 11:15PM

Endthescam wrote: »

No tv or media coverage. About as relevant as field hockey.

Jesus I don't think a boxing fan (if you even are one) could hold that against MMA. Boxing has been getting ignored for years by RTÉ and the media in general considering the success we have in the sport.

MMA clearly has a history of a fanbase here, otherwise they wouldn't have held a Major UFC event here back in 2009. There have also been 8 Cage Warriors events here since that UFC date, which mightn't seem a huge thing, but those cards would draw a couple of thousand.
I also can't help but notice the amount of martial arts places which have popped up all over the shop in the last few years. I left for England in 2008, and at the time all I remember you'd see would be the odd kickboxing or Taekwondo gym, I came back last year and now you've got more of those and all sorts of Jiujitsu and mma places about.

Anyway I don't see what relevance UFC or MMA has to this thread. These sports are not rivals the way Pro Wrestling used to pit WWF & WCW against each other. Loads of people appreciate both and will watch both and the casuals don't give a ****.....cause at the end of the day they just want to see a damn fight.

FTA69 · 04-05-2015 11:38PM

Big Ears wrote: »

The man in the hat was up to his old tricks again !

Is he the lad that shot Kennedy?

mdwexford · 05-05-2015 12:19AM

Peter Anthony wrote: »

UFC will never have a Mayweather or a Pacquaio or the endless list of crossover Boxing stars. I know it hurts you and the MMA fanboys but those are the facts. Saturday was the biggest grossing sporting event of all time but Boxing is dying, and MMA is on the rise? :pac::rolleyes:

Most people couldnt even name an MMA fight or fighter outside McGregor and possibly that Rousey girl. Ever since Lesnars left MMA has slowly died. In Britain nobody cares, and neither do most in America anymore.

Once the McGregor bandwagon ends nobody here will care either.

Name a boxing crossover star under 30 because I sure as hell don't know any and I follow sport more than most people.

The two that fought Saturday are the only household names in boxing at the moment.

Generally anyone who uses the term fanboy is clueless.

Lol at no one in America cares about MMA. Are you just saying random things?

cowzerp · 05-05-2015 12:28AM

walshb wrote: »

I don't buy this. I am not arguing for a Manny win, but Floyd didn't do anything clearly. That was what stank for me. His offense was not at all clear. It may have "looked" snappy and flash at time, but how clear and heavy and effective was it? Surely eve the most ardent Floyd fans can see this?

So, how did he win clearly? Was he getting points for moving backwards and dodging shots?

He did win clearly, I mean if you land 10 and he lands 5 then it's pretty clear if not a bit ****

Manny wasn't there to win, he was there to survive, Floyd simply outscored him

Big Ears · 05-05-2015 07:36AM

mdwexford wrote: »

Name a boxing crossover star under 30 because I sure as hell don't know any and I follow sport more than most people.

The two that fought Saturday are the only household names in boxing at the moment.

Generally anyone who uses the term fanboy is clueless.

Lol at no one in America cares about MMA. Are you just saying random things?

Carl Frampton in Northern Ireland. He couldn't be considered a crossover star on the rest of the Island yet or over in Britain.....but it's coming.

Panic E · 05-05-2015 09:02AM

The sport, or the business? I would say that Mayweather has done the sport more harm than good (maybe not the business)

I used to watch it far more until I realized we weren't getting the fights we wanted to see, let alone the best that could be made.

There is something seriously wrong when one guy can hold a sport to ransom for 7 years and deny us a bout between the # 1 & 2

walshb · 05-05-2015 09:25AM

cowzerp wrote: »

He did win clearly, I mean if you land 10 and he lands 5 then it's pretty clear if not a bit ****

Manny wasn't there to win, he was there to survive, Floyd simply outscored him

But as a huge Floyd fan, what did you make of the shots supposedly landed? What did you make of Floyd's offensive output?

darced · 05-05-2015 09:48AM

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walshb · 05-05-2015 09:57AM

darced wrote: »

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Well, because his offense was for me no more effective than Manny's. He did NOT land far more frequently. I'll count all the shots Manny threw that hits arms and hips and shoulders and backs of heads due to Floyd and his "defense." Floyd's offense was lead right hands and that was it. Throw in some jabs that mostly hit air and gloves. Not much different than Manny's hitting shoulders and arms. Add in the outrageous fawning commentary from Sky and Floyd could never lose the fight. This may surprise you but I am a fan of Floyd and his boxing, but I can't get behind him recently with his displays. They are not winning displays. He is not winning. He is simply trying not to lose.

darced · 05-05-2015 12:02PM

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RoryMac · 05-05-2015 12:20PM

darced wrote: »

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Agree 100%, Mayweather fought exactly as expected and as he has done for 5+ years. You would think after years of chasing the fight that Manny & Roach would have had a plan to deal with Mayweather.

efb · 05-05-2015 12:23PM

walshb wrote: »

Well, because his offense was for me no more effective than Manny's. He did NOT land far more frequently. I'll count all the shots Manny threw that hits arms and hips and shoulders and backs of heads due to Floyd and his "defense." Floyd's offense was lead right hands and that was it. Throw in some jabs that mostly hit air and gloves. Not much different than Manny's hitting shoulders and arms. Add in the outrageous fawning commentary from Sky and Floyd could never lose the fight. This may surprise you but I am a fan of Floyd and his boxing, but I can't get behind him recently with his displays. They are not winning displays. He is not winning. He is simply trying not to lose.

Changing the rules to suit your narrative doesnt make it correct

walshb · 05-05-2015 12:59PM

darced wrote: »

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Manny does not at all fight like Maidana.

Anyway, I was just very displeased at both men really, and astonished at some of the OTT praise for Floyd. He was far from great in there. He won a close and dull fight. Compu box only tells half the story. Floyd fans seem incapable of criticizing him. Apart from some. I am one of them.

walshb · 05-05-2015 01:00PM

efb wrote: »

Changing the rules to suit your narrative doesnt make it correct

No rule changing. If Floyd's getting praised and scored for his weak and paltry offense (as well as getting lauded for dodging punches by whatever means) then Manny should get the same praise and points for his weak and paltry offense, as well as his blocking and dodging shots by Floyd. No real mention at all about Manny's defense. But anytime Floyd managed to wiggle out of trouble people were in awe.

In a nutshell Floyd was getting scored for two areas. Defense and offense. Manny was only being scored for offense. That's what I sawy. That is wrong.

OverUnderP4P · 07-05-2015 09:51AM

Peter Anthony wrote: »

UFC will never have a Mayweather or a Pacquaio or the endless list of crossover Boxing stars. I know it hurts you and the MMA fanboys but those are the facts. Saturday was the biggest grossing sporting event of all time but Boxing is dying, and MMA is on the rise? :pac::rolleyes:

Most people couldnt even name an MMA fight or fighter outside McGregor and possibly that Rousey girl. Ever since Lesnars left MMA has slowly died. In Britain nobody cares, and neither do most in America anymore.

Once the McGregor bandwagon ends nobody here will care either.

think you need to wipe ur mouth clean, the smell of crap off it , you fu c king idiot

Has Mayweather/Pacquiao done the business of boxing more harm than good?

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