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MKDTH · 28-04-2015 10:26AM

barryoneill50 wrote: »

Two things:
You have the madness
Get more bloody sleep:)

Cheers for breaking your silence for me Bazza. I had the madness before the half but feel i have a honest reason this time although am no doubt over thinking it as usual.
No time for sleep as its the first day of the Punchestown festival and I am really struggling to find any value!

Ososlo · 28-04-2015 10:33AM

MKDTH wrote: »

Cheers for breaking your silence for me Bazza. I had the madness before the half but feel i have a honest reason this time although am no doubt over thinking it as usual.
No time for sleep as its the first day of the Punchestown festival and I am really struggling to find any value!

I think the mean boys are being mean

I can understand your concern.
I'd wear the older runners. All my runners are at least a half size bigger than normal shoes. The smaller runners could be part of your problem. I'd wear the older ones.
How's the cramp?

MKDTH · 29-04-2015 12:21PM

Ososlo wrote: »

I think the mean boys are being mean
I can understand your concern.
I'd wear the older runners. All my runners are at least a half size bigger than normal shoes. The smaller runners could be part of your problem. I'd wear the older ones.
How's the cramp?

I think this was quite well thought out to be honest.

Just had another going over from Ecoli who seemed surprised at how tight both of my calves were just a week after my last visit.
My left calf got the worst pain as it needed a lot of work to the muscle still slightly being in spasm.

No running now until Saturday when I will get the legs moving again over a couple of miles.

Looking forward to Monday now, when I plan to give as many high fives to spectators as possible and enjoy it.

MKDTH · 02-05-2015 12:09PM

Saturday

1.94 Miles @ 12:29 pace

My first run since Sunday just to get my legs working again. I will hopefully get a mile in on Sunday afternoon just to get my legs over the flight in the morning.

hillsiderunner · 02-05-2015 12:16PM

Good luck MK. Stay cool and don't head out too fast on the day!

Pacing Mule · 03-05-2015 07:08AM

Good luck tomorrow M

Don't do too many high 5s. Will feck up your time !

MKDTH · 03-05-2015 08:29PM

hillsiderunner wrote: »

Good luck MK. Stay cool and don't head out too fast on the day!

Pacing Mule wrote: »

Good luck tomorrow M

Don't do too many high 5s. Will feck up your time !

Cheers guys, I will just enjoy it and see where it takes me.

Ososlo · 03-05-2015 08:36PM

MKDTH wrote: »

Cheers guys, I will just enjoy it and see where it takes me.

Have a great day tomorrow!!! Rooting for you! Really hope it goes well.

MKDTH · 03-05-2015 08:37PM

Sunday

1.07 Miles @13.01 Pace!

Nice and slow in the late afternoon rain just to get my legs going again after the flight over. I had a compeed plaster on underneath my foot for the first time and had my runners on that I was complaining about being half a size too small earlier in the week. This felt much better than yesterday's run which was in the roomier older runners, so I am going with today's runners.
I had compression socks on for the flight in the hope that it would help my calves.

An emotional day as MK Dons were finally promoted back to Championship after about twelve years of playing in League one and two. I had to leave my mates to celebrate it as I am still staying away from drink until after the race which was very hard!

Murph_D · 03-05-2015 08:43PM

All the best tomorrow. Do it for the Dons.

MKDTH · 04-05-2015 01:50PM

Dnf!!!

I was with the 4:30 pacer until the ninth mile and pulled our just before the halfway point where my family could give me a lift. I have an interview in London on Tuesday so could not of turned up in a wheelchair so pulled out.
My right hip went after mile 8 and my webbing between the two biggest toes had a sudden pain meaning I stopped for two mins around mile 11 to see what the damage was, no blood, no stone so maybe a blister was forming? Had both feet underneath with blisters within two miles.
I will give it a week and not go for a run and then finally get new runners. Maybe a half marathon in a month or two if my injuries are okay.

Pacing Mule · 04-05-2015 01:56PM

Ah pox.

Sorry to hear that M.

yaboya1 · 04-05-2015 02:18PM

This is going to be unpopular and come across as harsh, but guess what? It's also true.

I am not at all surprised to hear this tbh. I'd honestly have been surprised if you got in below 5 hours and completely shocked if you got near 4:30. Mentions of that time target were completely unrealistic considering the effort you've put in. You haven't run anywhere close to the amount of miles necessary to complete a successful marathon imo. I thought you may have learned from DCM last year, but obviously not. You covered less than a total of 12m three weeks out from a goal marathon and then went into the 'taper' after another low mileage week of 16m. You also consistently cut training runs short, which I doubt helps your mental state when things start to hurt in a race. 20 minutes on a dublinbike at effort level 8 is not marathon training and will do absolutely nothing for you in a race.

Good luck with your next target. Hopefully you learnt some sort of lesson today.

You can't bluff the marathon.

Dubgal72 · 04-05-2015 04:24PM

Hey, sit on this experience for a day or two, then come out hopefully with a way to use the lessons learned to take you forward. The marathon bit you on the bum, you ain't the first and you won't be the last.

MKDTH · 04-05-2015 04:30PM

yaboya1 wrote: »

This is going to be unpopular and come across as harsh, but guess what? It's also true.

I am not at all surprised to hear this tbh. I'd honestly have been surprised if you got in below 5 hours and completely shocked if you got near 4:30. Mentions of that time target were completely unrealistic considering the effort you've put in. You haven't run anywhere close to the amount of miles necessary to complete a successful marathon imo. I thought you may have learned from DCM last year, but obviously not. You covered less than a total of 12m three weeks out from a goal marathon and then went into the 'taper' after another low mileage week of 16m. You also consistently cut training runs short, which I doubt helps your mental state when things start to hurt in a race. 20 minutes on a dublinbike at effort level 8 is not marathon training and will do absolutely nothing for you in a race.

Good luck with your next target. Hopefully you learnt some sort of lesson today.

You can't bluff the marathon.

Just because you write 'This is going to be unpopular and come across as harsh', it does not give you the right to write such things. You have done exactly the same on other peoples logs and its not on. I am all for constructive criticism but this is certainly not that.
Please refrain from writing on my log in future as you clearly do not understand the word empathy maybe due to only suffering from the one injury as far as I am aware (Chicago Marathon).
And my training had its blips, but to run a 2:00:20 half marathon, surely had me on a suitable time of 4:30. I trained as per boards plan the majority of the time unless I had just had a sports massage in which case I would take three days off in the main.
I've put in a lot of time, effort and money into this so please do not belittle me as you assessment is pointless as you have no idea how my body feels.

I will now look to get runners that give my feet room to swell and will start again soon with a heart rate graduates plan for a while.
Cycling helps with cadence, and I had two rest days per week which is when I did the Cycling.

MKDTH · 04-05-2015 04:38PM

Dubgal72 wrote: »

Hey, sit on this experience for a day or two, then come out hopefully with a way to use the lessons learned to take you forward. The marathon bit you on the bum, you ain't the first and you won't be the last.

Cheers 'Dg'
I was running at 15 mins slower than I did a half marathon in, so I know that I should of been able to run at that pace for much longer if fully fit. So I will call it a learning experience and go again.

Ososlo · 04-05-2015 04:45PM

Really sorry to read of your experience today. You definitely did the correct thing in pulling out so well done having the sense to do that early on in the race so there's no further damage done.

What size are the runners you currently wear? Are they not a half or full size bigger than your everyday shoes as normally recommended?

A Half in a few months is a good idea once the body is back in 100% working order and think of the marathon again as a longer term goal perhaps.

Hope it all works out for you as I can tell from your log how much running means to you. Best of luck going forward so try to put today behind you as quickly as possible.

yaboya1 · 04-05-2015 04:49PM

MKDTH wrote: »

Just because you write 'This is going to be unpopular and come across as harsh', it does not give you the right to write such things. You have done exactly the same on other peoples logs and its not on. I am all for constructive criticism but this is certainly not that.
Please refrain from writing on my log in future as you clearly do not understand the word empathy maybe due to only suffering from the one injury as far as I am aware (Chicago Marathon).
And my training had its blips, but to run a 2:00:20 half marathon, surely had me on a suitable time of 4:30. I trained as per boards plan the majority of the time unless I had just had a sports massage in which case I would take three days off in the main.
I've put in a lot of time, effort and money into this so please do not belittle me as you assessment is pointless as you have no idea how my body feels.

I will now look to get runners that give my feet room to swell and will start again soon with a heart rate graduates plan for a while.
Cycling helps with cadence, and I had two rest days per week which is when I did the Cycling.

So much there I don't agree with, but I'll do as you ask and refrain from posting here any more (this one's my last).

Although there are still some helpful, knowledgeable & inspirational posters on these boards, I can see why many (with the aforementioned qualities) have either closed their account or now post very infrequently. It seems unless you tell people around here what they want to hear, you become unpopular very quickly.

Good luck with your running.

Ososlo · 04-05-2015 05:03PM

yaboya1 wrote: »

So much there I don't agree with, but I'll do as you ask and refrain from posting here any more (this one's my last).

Although there are still some helpful, knowledgeable & inspirational posters on these boards, I can see why many (with the aforementioned qualities) have either closed their account or now post very infrequently. It seems unless you tell people around here what they want to hear, you become unpopular very quickly.

Good luck with your running.

My take on it is that it's perhaps a bit too soon to be so direct a few hours after the event. I might concur with some of what you said in that earlier post but to post it so soon after someone had such a bad day (after months and months of build up and expense etc etc) and emotions are heightened.... it's maybe better to let the OP reflect himself for a few days and then people can give opinions about the best way to go forward and where the OP might have gone wrong.
Maybe you should have voiced your opinion about the goal time before the race and the OP might have re-considered it. Might have been more constructive/helpful before the event?
Just my twopence fwiw. Not worth you two falling out over..............

DocQismyJesus · 04-05-2015 10:17PM

Yup. Fail to prepare, prepare to fail. Predictable- I'm sure the backslappers will make you feel better but maybe work harder next time?

DocQismyJesus · 04-05-2015 10:27PM

Ososlo wrote: »

My take on it is that it's perhaps a bit too soon to be so direct a few hours after the event. I might concur with some of what you said in that earlier post but to post it so soon after someone had such a bad day (after months and months of build up and expense etc etc) and emotions are heightened.... it's maybe better to let the OP reflect himself for a few days and then people can give opinions about the best way to go forward and where the OP might have gone wrong.
Maybe you should have voiced your opinion about the goal time before the race and the OP might have re-considered it. Might have been more constructive/helpful before the event?
Just my twopence fwiw. Not worth you two falling out over..............

Pretty hard to voice an option about goal time on these logs without getting jumped all over. People hate realists

barryoneill50 · 04-05-2015 10:30PM

I suppose there is a time for back slapping, a time for (constructive) criticism and a time to say nothing. This is probably a time for the later......

DocQismyJesus · 04-05-2015 10:34PM

barryoneill50 wrote: »

I suppose there is a time for back slapping, a time for (constructive) criticism and a time to say nothing. This is probably a time for the later......

Enter the parallel universe of boards ....

DocQismyJesus · 05-05-2015 08:54AM

To put a finer point on it: I'm a considerably more experienced runner than you. I began training for a goal marathon in Jan. got injured. Ended up only being able to put in 550 miles between Jan and my goal marathon (all easy miles)

I dashed any hopes of a PB and decided to high five all the way around. Even with 550 miles under my belt I was pretty freaked out on the startline.

I jogged around it 40 minutes slower than my PB still even with a huge base of several years of decent races and marathons I won't lie, the last mile / mile and a half was pretty ropey.

So excuse the harsh tone but I agree with Yaboya; you cannot bluff a marathon.

MKDTH · 07-05-2015 01:05PM

MKDTH · 07-05-2015 01:39PM

Monday

Splits for 12:98 Miles @ 10:30 Pace
10:19, 10:18, 9:55, 9:39, 10:07, 10:10, 10:20, 10:19, 10:11, 10:07, 10:48, 11:47, 12:46
(My watch automatically stops when I stopped for two mins to look at my foot, so this 2 min stop is not included in these stats).

As I said a few days ago, something wasn't right in this race seeing that I managed a 2:00:20 in Bohermeen and in this, was not in control as I should of been through the first 8 miles going 15 mins slower per half. To be fair the course did include a large amount of hilly terrain, but my body just wasn't on a going day.
By as early as mile two I could feel blisters developing underneath both feet despite the worst area having a compeed plaster on.
The turning point which lead me to have to pull out of the race though was around mile 9 when I reached to pull out a gel from my a compartment on my right forearm, and pulled out two gels instead of one. I then spent around two mins running down hill before feeling a big pull/rip on my right hip/I.T band area before I finally managed to get the unneeded gel back into the compartment on my right forearm.
I then stayed with the 4:30 pacers for another mile before letting them go and trying to get back into stride.
At about mile 11, I get a burning sensation like the webbing between my big toe and next toe was splitting on my left foot, or even a stone was digging in and causing huge pain. I stopped at this point to see if a stone come out of my show, and to check for blood which I could not find.
People were streaming past at this stage, and I must of lost two mins. I finally got going to see if the pain had gone, and still did not feel right so coasted up to where I knew my family were waiting at 13 min pace so that I could get a lift back.

Before I read this forum, I know I would of continued and finished no matter what, but thanks to this forum I think I made the correct decision which will hopefully allow a full recovery.
I am off to see Ecoli in the morning to get his opinion on the injury before deciding what my next run will be, let alone target as my right hip has been very stiff if I sit or lay down for to long.
I positive is that I can now lay on my right side again after two nights when this was not possible, so hopefully it will heal quickly!

I was debating deleting my account on here due to unwarranted abuse received, but doubt I will be running in the next week or so, so will leave it open at the moment. Maybe I am just too honest for my own good. This forum still has some very good advise, but maybe one or two could do with a little more tact.

MKDTH · 07-05-2015 01:44PM

Ososlo wrote: »

Really sorry to read of your experience today. You definitely did the correct thing in pulling out so well done having the sense to do that early on in the race so there's no further damage done.

What size are the runners you currently wear? Are they not a half or full size bigger than your everyday shoes as normally recommended?

A Half in a few months is a good idea once the body is back in 100% working order and think of the marathon again as a longer term goal perhaps.

Hope it all works out for you as I can tell from your log how much running means to you. Best of luck going forward so try to put today behind you as quickly as possible.

No I stupidly listened to the guy in Arnotts who told me my feet would not swell and would be fine in my usual show size. I honestly think that this could of been a large reason for my calf and blister issues.

Cheers, believe or not, I wasn't anywhere as disappointed as I would of expected, maybe due to getting sensible with old age thanks to some advise I've read over the past year on here.

Ososlo · 07-05-2015 01:47PM

MKDTH wrote: »

No I stupidly listened to the guy in Arnotts who told me my feet would not swell and would be fine in my usual show size. I honestly think that this could of been a large reason for my calf and blister issues.

Cheers, believe or not, I wasn't anywhere as disappointed as I would of expected, maybe due to getting sensible with old age thanks to some advise I've read over the past year on here.

Absolutely!!!! Get yourself to Amphibian King or Run-Hub or similar asap!

So what's the plan (when fully recovered)? Target some shorter distances like 5 and 10ks for the next few months?

MKDTH · 07-05-2015 02:11PM

DocQismyJesus wrote: »

Yup. Fail to prepare, prepare to fail. Predictable- I'm sure the backslappers will make you feel better but maybe work harder next time?

I assume you only read the last page of my log?
I was following the boards plan for the majority of the time. The plan after this marathon would of been to do a more intensive plan, and that will be the plan should everything heal.

MKDTH · 07-05-2015 02:13PM

DocQismyJesus wrote: »

Pretty hard to voice an option about goal time on these logs without getting jumped all over. People hate realists

So a 2:00:20 half marathon in early March meant that 4:30 was unrealistic? Surely double half marathon and add 20 giving me 4:20 would of been unrealistic?

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