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How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

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  • #8012
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    Knit wit wrote: »
    I had initially intended to vote yes but now I'm not so sure. I have been thinking long and hard about this - I feel that the link in our constitution between marriage and family is unfair. How many single parents out there are raising children alone who are not 'families'. Do they have the same legal protections that homosexual couples currently have? Should we redefine marriage entirely or our reliance on same to define family? I haven't fully decided how I will vote ... I will give it serious thought until polling day.

    What we are voting on has no impact on families except to give legal recognition to children in same sex relationships that didn't exist before.

    Every child charity in the country is advocating yes as it offers more protection for children than our current set up.

    Single parents have the same legal protections with regards to their children that homosexual couples currently have.

    The issues of family are bring dealt with in another act,not this referendum.


  • #8013
    timetogo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭timetogo


    Knit wit wrote: »
    I had initially intended to vote yes but now I'm not so sure. I have been thinking long and hard about this - I feel that the link in our constitution between marriage and family is unfair. How many single parents out there are raising children alone who are not 'families'. Do they have the same legal protections that homosexual couples currently have? Should we redefine marriage entirely or our reliance on same to define family? I haven't fully decided how I will vote ... I will give it serious thought until polling day.

    I dont get that. You see a problem somewhere else and that might justify voting no. How about we fix one problem at a time. If there's an issue with single parent families let's fix that too.


  • #8014
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    I don't know why I just keep thinking to myself:

    "Oh! What A Tangled Web We Weave When First We Practice To Deceive"

    Every time I see another convoluted 'No' argument. That quote for some reason is burnt into my brain from my school days.

    Some real mental gymnastics going on!

    I'm just waiting for one of them to attempt to link it to water charges!


  • #8015
    Valmont
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭Valmont


    What's the difference between marriage and the civil partnership currently available to gay people? Also, what will happen if two gay people want to get married in a church - can the church refuse them?


  • #8016
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Just heard that complaints under the Incitement to Hatred Act have been made to the Gardaí in Clonakility about a poster that appeared in the town over night. Not sure what the text on it is as it's just being referred to as the 'No to Gays' poster on social media.

    Up date on this:

    The posters in question were handwritten containing vile, homophobic, hatred.
    The Gardaí in Clon were dismissive at first until the third poster was brought into them. The LGBT Garda liaison Officer in Cork City is being contacted.

    None of those who removed the posters thought for a second that these were official No Campaign posters due to the fact that they were handwritten. This was the work of some *insert invective here* coward.
    Among those removing the hate from Clon's lampposts was 85vyear old Jennifer Sleeman - some of you may remember her from when she organised a boycott of Roman Catholic Masses in protest at the invisibility of women in the RCC hierarchy. She, honestly, isn't a crank. She is a very nice, deeply devout woman who believes the RCC needs to acknowledge the existence of women http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/local-news/limerick-priest-says-his-mother-s-mass-boycott-call-is-her-gig-not-mine-1-2192753


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  • #8017
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Valmont wrote: »
    What's the difference between marriage and the civil partnership currently available to gay people? Also, what will happen if two gay people want to get married in a church - can the church refuse them?


    There's 160 differences: http://www.marriagequality.ie/marriageaudit/full-list

    And yeah, the church can refuse.


  • #8018
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Valmont wrote: »
    What's the difference between marriage and the civil partnership currently available to gay people? Also, what will happen if two gay people want to get married in a church - can the church refuse them?

    The church already refuses marriage to certain individuals such as divorced people, this will be the same


  • #8019
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,007 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Valmont wrote: »
    What's the difference between marriage and the civil partnership currently available to gay people? Also, what will happen if two gay people want to get married in a church - can the church refuse them?

    Anyone who claims the church will be either forced to perform these ceremonies or sued for refusing to do so is a liar and scaremongering, do not believe them


  • #8020
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Valmont wrote: »
    What's the difference between marriage and the civil partnership currently available to gay people? Also, what will happen if two gay people want to get married in a church - can the church refuse them?

    160 odd differences - main one are that only a married couple enjoys Constitutional protection - Civil Partnership legislation could be repealed by a future government.

    FAQ list here http://www.marriagequality.ie/getinformed/marriage/faqs.html.

    That is an internal matter for each religious denomination. If by 'the church' you mean the RCC - No. The decide who they 'marry' (in inverted commas because the religious part of the ceremony has no legal standing)


  • #8021
    timetogo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭timetogo


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Anyone who claims the church will be either forced to perform these ceremonies or sued for refusing to do so is a liar and scaremongering, do not believe them

    I've had this arguement quoted to me too. If that was true then they'd also be made have women priests. They don't have to have equality for women. Why would people think they'd have it for gay people.


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  • #8022
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    Knit wit wrote: »
    I had initially intended to vote yes but now I'm not so sure. I have been thinking long and hard about this - I feel that the link in our constitution between marriage and family is unfair. How many single parents out there are raising children alone who are not 'families'. Do they have the same legal protections that homosexual couples currently have? Should we redefine marriage entirely or our reliance on same to define family? I haven't fully decided how I will vote ... I will give it serious thought until polling day.

    Things won't change for single parents no matter which way you vote. They will at least improve for same sex couples, including those raising children, with a Yes vote.
    eviltwin wrote: »
    The church already refuses marriage to certain individuals such as divorced people, this will be the same

    The Church can legally refuse marriage to anyone it wants, including the most devout of Christians. The Constitution already provides it leeway to run its own affairs as it sees fit, and if the referendum passes, there will be a very clear provision that no religious body or clergy person can be forced to conduct a marriage ceremony for a same sex couple.


  • #8023
    Benny_Cake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    Valmont wrote: »
    What's the difference between marriage and the civil partnership currently available to gay people? Also, what will happen if two gay people want to get married in a church - can the church refuse them?

    Differences between marriage and civil partnerships:

    http://www.marriagequality.ie/marriageaudit/full-list

    Any church can currently marry or refuse to marry whoever they want. That won't change.


  • #8024
    To Elland Back
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,923 ✭✭✭To Elland Back


    looksee wrote: »
    I was told - quite seriously - by a no-voter that passing the referendum would legalise buggery...and how could the marriage be consummated? I pretty well gave up at that stage.

    In the year I got married, the 1st divorce referendum was taking place. A No campaigner told me divorce would be compulsory if it was passed. Rosary Rattlers never change


  • #8025
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    To Elland Back wrote: »
    In the year I got married, the 1st divorce referendum was taking place. A No campaigner told me divorce would be compulsory if it was passed. Rosary Rattlers never change

    Remember all those EU treaty referendums where a Yes vote would have us all conscripted into the EU superarmy? Kinda disappointed I never got to share bunks with all those hot French, Spanish, & Italian co-conscriptees :(


  • #8026
    Cats fur sale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭Cats fur sale


    I'm jumping in and out
    I'm voting like a maniac
    I must vote yes
    As often as I can

    We must win the poll
    I'm voting like a maniac
    Yes must win
    I'm going to vote again

    Boards have a poll
    I'm voting like a maniac
    We must vote yes
    I'm off to vote again.


  • #8027
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Cats fur sale wrote: »
    I'm jumping in and out
    I'm voting like a maniac
    I must vote yes
    As often as I can

    We must win the poll
    I'm voting like a maniac
    Yes must win
    I'm going to vote again

    Boards have a poll
    I'm voting like a maniac
    We must vote yes
    I'm off to vote again.

    The only poll that matters is on May 22


  • #8028
    WeirdBren
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 ✭WeirdBren


    Watch, something to think about.

    google "watch?v=A4iqhU24phs" it's a youtube video, can't post url as I'm new user


  • #8029
    Links234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    WeirdBren wrote: »
    Watch, something to think about.

    google "watch?v=A4iqhU24phs" it's a youtube video, can't post url as I'm new user

    More crap from Paddy Manning, I've a headache enough without listening to him do his best Uncle Tom


  • #8030
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    WeirdBren wrote: »
    Watch, something to think about.

    google "watch?v=A4iqhU24phs" it's a youtube video, can't post url as I'm new user

    Its a mothers and fathers matter propaganda video full of misleading nonsense.


  • #8031
    Anita Blow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Anita Blow


    Just to interperse all the negativity generated in this thread, I have to say how overwhelmingly heartening it is to see your friends stick up for you in such a tangible way. I'm just a typical lad in a group of straight people and 10 years ago in secondary school I'd stay awake at night with my heart pounding that I'd lose them all if I ever told them I was gay.
    Fast forward to now, and these same lads who you'd never think would give a ****e about any of this are all lighting up the group whatsapp making sure they're all registered, snapchatting me pictures of the Yes Equality badges they bought and two literally flying home from the Middle East to vote. I was happy enough that they were planning on just voting, but when they told me that they were doing all this and voting yes for me, it literally brought a tear to my eye.


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  • #8032
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Amazing amount of 'new' posters (who amazingly are advocating a No vote) in this thread....


  • #8033
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    Anita Blow wrote: »
    are all lighting up the group whatsapp making sure they're all registered, snapchatting me pictures of the Yes Equality badges they bought and two literally flying home from the Middle East to vote. I was happy enough that they were planning on just voting, but when they told me that they were doing all this and voting yes for me, it literally brought a tear to my eye.
    Awwwrrrr!! Bringing a tear to mine and all! Happy for you that you know such lovely people who love and respect you :cool: Well cool.


  • #8034
    Cats fur sale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭Cats fur sale


    WeirdBren wrote: »
    Watch, something to think about.

    google

    He's a lovely man. I shall be voting no to ensure people like him aren't bred out of existence.


  • #8035
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,007 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    WeirdBren wrote: »
    Watch, something to think about.

    google "watch?v=A4iqhU24phs" it's a youtube video, can't post url as I'm new user

    A video from MFM? yeah wont be watching that thanks, i suppose your aware they were caught two days ago misrepresenting statistics from a unicef study to support their twisted bigoted agenda?


  • #8036
    WoolyJumper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭WoolyJumper


    WeirdBren wrote: »
    Watch, something to think about.

    google "watch?v=A4iqhU24phs" it's a youtube video, can't post url as I'm new user

    Paddy Manning? I didn't make it past the 2 second mark.


  • #8037
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,453 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    WeirdBren wrote: »
    Watch, something to think about.

    google "watch?v=A4iqhU24phs" it's a youtube video, can't post url as I'm new user

    You sure...?


  • #8038
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    Is anyone else actually finding it a bit depressing and just wearing/tiring hearing all this negativity about gay people?

    As much as I want to counter every argument, it's definitely having an impact on me. I can see myself being a ball of stress by 22nd!

    It's opened up a lot of debate but it's also really showing me that a number of people who I had respected are actually complete homophobes and highly bigoted.

    I've actually completely lost all respect for at least two people I know and I don't think I'll be bothered with them again either. It's not just a minor glitch in the relationship, I've seen a very different side of them and I don't think I can actually relate to them anymore after it.

    It's an odd referendum and one that's going to have a very profound impact. I honestly think this is a choice between "modern, progressive Ireland" and "socially repressive Ireland".


  • #8039
    Links234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    SpaceTime wrote: »
    Is anyone else actually finding it a bit depressing and just wearing/tiring hearing all this negativity about gay people?

    Very much so. :(


  • #8040
    MrWalsh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,664 ✭✭✭MrWalsh


    Yes definitely SpaceTime.

    But I cheer myself up thinking it's the dying gasp of homophobia. When this is done the type of nonsense currently being spouted will be deemed utterly unacceptable.


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  • #8041
    Cats fur sale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46 ✭Cats fur sale


    SpaceTime wrote: »
    are actually complete homophobes and highly bigoted.

    It's an awful kick in the guts for No voters to have to be hounded labelled and lambasted like this because they disagree with the yes side.


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