Red water

larrymiller · 28-04-2013 04:07PM #1

Just back in from the shed, found 2 calves with what I think is red water disease, never had it here before, what advice can anyone give me (ASAP) w
Won't be able to get them to the vet till tomorrow at the earliest!

freedominacup · 28-04-2013 04:09PM

larrymiller wrote: »

Just back in from the shed, found 2 calves with what I think is red water disease, never had it here before, what advice can anyone give me (ASAP) w
Won't be able to get them to the vet till tomorrow at the earliest!

Unless they are outdoors it would be unusual for them to have red water and AFAIK red water is not very common in calves at all. Why do you think they have red water?

larrymiller · 28-04-2013 04:16PM

That's what I was thinking, yesterday I moved them from calf pens to the shed, and 2 heifers are passing red urine, for the world it looks like red wine on the ground with a small bit of frought, both are ok eating well etc and seem ok, I haven't seen anything like it, boss man won't be home till later to get his opinion either

mf240 · 28-04-2013 04:19PM

What are they eating? Any other symptoms?

larrymiller · 28-04-2013 04:24PM

mf240 wrote: »

What are they eating? Any other symptoms?

There finished getting milk, eating nuts with a bit of crunch mixed in it, and hay and straw mixed, (no silage) no other symptoms as of yet

micky mouse · 28-04-2013 05:01PM

larrymiller wrote: »

That's what I was thinking, yesterday I moved them from calf pens to the shed, and 2 heifers are passing red urine, for the world it looks like red wine on the ground with a small bit of frought, both are ok eating well etc and seem ok, I haven't seen anything like it, boss man won't be home till later to get his opinion either

Sounds like water allright,could you not get the injection of the vet to cure it,thats what i do when mine do have it.If both are eating that injection will be ok.Long time till "tomorrow at earliest".Easier to give injection than maybe blood transfusion

TUBBY · 28-04-2013 06:13PM

If it red water, tomorrow may be no use to you. Can you not get vet to give you imazol for it. It is the only thing that stops the bleed afaik. Don't take my word for it. Ring the vet. Few hours even make a big difference.

KatyMac · 28-04-2013 06:47PM

You'd be mad to wait til tomorrow. I had one and waited, the vet was coming in the afternoon to read a herd test so I thought he'd do all on the one visit. She didn't need to be taken off test!!

dharn · 28-04-2013 06:50PM

KatyMac wrote: »

You'd be mad to wait til tomorrow. I had one and waited, the vet was coming in the afternoon to read a herd test so I thought he'd do all on the one visit. She didn't need to be taken off test!!

I thought red water was caused by a tic picked up in grass from wet ground usually later in the year how would young calves get it

Dunedin · 28-04-2013 07:00PM

larrymiller wrote: »

Just back in from the shed, found 2 calves with what I think is red water disease, never had it here before, what advice can anyone give me (ASAP) w
Won't be able to get them to the vet till tomorrow at the earliest!

this sounds like blood scour. Easy enough to cure if it is. Get a bottle of Nordine , but wouldn't wait till tomorrow if you can

The hawlk · 29-04-2013 11:11PM

If a calf takes a big gorge of water like after the water was off for hole day or so the pee can run very red I have seen it here a couple of times still I always treat it with Imazol anyway, that is why they don't have to be outside to show signs of red water !

larrymiller · 30-04-2013 05:13AM

The hawlk wrote: »

If a calf takes a big gorge of water like after the water was off for hole day or so the pee can run very red I have seen it here a couple of times still I always treat it with Imazol anyway, that is why they don't have to be outside to show signs of red water !

You are bang on, the calves were moved to the cattle shed and the couldn't reach the water properly, and lashed water into them when I copped it! Thankfully everything's ok now and back to normal!

whelan1 · 30-04-2013 06:35AM

be very careful, if they drink too much water in one go they can get water posioning, saw it in calves years ago, they where going round like they where drunk;)

dharn · 30-04-2013 09:23AM

larrymiller wrote: »

You are bang on, the calves were moved to the cattle shed and the couldn't reach the water properly, and lashed water into them when I copped it! Thankfully everything's ok now and back to normal!

Thats not redwater though, they were passing bloodstained urine because their kidneys were stressed from dehydration and then suddenly drinking large amounts, nothing to do with the redwater tic

larrymiller · 30-04-2013 07:54PM

dharn wrote: »

Thats not redwater though, they were passing bloodstained urine because their kidneys were stressed from dehydration and then suddenly drinking large amounts, nothing to do with the redwater tic

Yes sorry I ment to point out that it wasn't red water (thank god) I'll just put it down to a learning experience gave myself a fair fright doh!!

dharn · 30-04-2013 08:40PM

Glad it all worked out well, well bred heifers will be very valuable when things settle down ,a lot of cows died this year

learnabout · 15-12-2014 09:50AM

whelan1 wrote: »

be very careful, if they drink too much water in one go they can get water posioning, saw it in calves years ago, they where going round like they where drunk;)

what???

Bodacious · 15-12-2014 10:56PM

i had a cow with redwater last year ...just a point as with all medicines ,,.. its a vaccine and it has to be fresh.. I got the imizol from a neighbour as I knew she would get it as she was a dairy cow from clean topped pastures etc and she would have no immunity.. covered her with pour on also

stuff must have been open a while as she still got it.. got 12ml of imizol from vet and loaded the treacle/Guinness/ eggs and salt and water into her and she made full recovery.. due to calf soon and I sold E3100 worth of beef out of her in 2013/14 season .. she reared 3 bull calves 1 stronger and a sept set of twins

greysides · 16-12-2014 01:01AM

Imizol isn't a vaccine although it may seem to act like one. The immunity-generating material has to come from exposure as there's none in the bottle. It prevents infection becoming clinical while the animal builds up its own immunity. It won't work if there is no exposure during the period of time the Imizol is protective. Same story as Vecoxan.

tanko · 16-12-2014 01:08AM

greysides wrote: »

Imizol isn't a vaccine although it may seem to act like one. The immunity-generating material has to come from exposure as there's none in the bottle. It prevents infection becoming clinical while the animal builds up its own immunity. It won't work if there is no exposure during the period of time the Imizol is protective. Same story as Vecoxan.

How long is imizol protective for after it's given?

greysides · 16-12-2014 01:13AM

tanko wrote: »

How long is imizol protective for after it's given?

When used for prevention, the product should be administered when clinical signs of the disease are observed in one or
two cattle of a group or at the time of moving susceptible cattle into an area of known Babesia challenge. The entire
group should be dosed to provide protection against babesiosis, and all must be kept to the withhold times indicated.
The product gives protection for a period of up to four weeks depending on the severity of the challenge. During this
time, only if the challenge is adequate will immunity be established.

bonaparte2 · 16-12-2014 01:15AM

Isn't there a really long withdrawal period with imizol?

greysides · 16-12-2014 01:17AM

213 days.

http://www.hpra.ie/img/uploaded/swedocuments/LicenseSPC_10996-234-001_25072013115937.pdf

tanko · 16-12-2014 01:20AM

greysides wrote: »

When used for prevention, the product should be administered when clinical signs of the disease are observed in one or
two cattle of a group or at the time of moving susceptible cattle into an area of known Babesia challenge. The entire
group should be dosed to provide protection against babesiosis, and all must be kept to the withhold times indicated.
The product gives protection for a period of up to four weeks depending on the severity of the challenge. During this
time, only if the challenge is adequate will immunity be established.

Thanks for that, is there a certain date every year when you expect to see problems with redwater eg may 15 or does it vary from year to year?

greysides · 16-12-2014 01:27AM

I don't see much at all now. That could be location.

The start of the season will be when the ticks become active so there will be some variation there.

In Cavan you could see it through out the year, including Christmas week................. it would make you question the theory of it alright.

tanko · 16-12-2014 01:38AM

greysides wrote: »

I don't see much at all now. That could be location.

The start of the season will be when the ticks become active so there will be some variation there.

In Cavan you could see it through out the year, including Christmas week................. it would make you question the theory of it alright.

Yeah, I've an outfarm with rough ground and any animals not born there and put on it are almost guaranteed to get redwater. It's almost always happens between May and August.
It says in the blurb above that imizol should only be given to an animal once. If it was given as a preventative and you thought it was given too soon then it can't be given again, is that the case?

greysides · 16-12-2014 02:17AM

It's active for a month so that should be long enough to cover seasonal variations but given what the datasheet says I wouldn't be inclined to repeat the injection.

Limestone Cowboy · 16-12-2014 11:08AM

At what age does red water become life threatening to cattle Greysides? All of our own cattle would have become immune as calves due to the nature of the area we are farming and I would know locally where is safe to buy cattle out of if I was buying in stock but it's a nuisance all the same. The only case of it I ever had was a stock bull I bought and had treated with imizol a few months previously when there was plenty of ticks inside his legs but there's no guarantee with that either. Lucky I spotted him very early and there was no setback really.

greysides · 16-12-2014 06:03PM

I can't give you a specific age. Off the top of my head I'd say animals in their second year at grass. Generally once immune as calves it will be boosted naturally each Spring. While it's spread by ticks, the ticks themselves have to be infested........ Like your experience, early detection is key to an uneventful recovery. Many old stockmen made their reputations by being able to spot animals early. It took observation which takes time........

Toplink · 04-05-2015 12:13PM

Is bayticol the best prevention injection for Red Water?

We have a herd of 25 grazing in a risk area for the past 3 to 4 weeks and its coming into tick season now so think its time to give them a shot of something. Some of the group would have a certain level of immunity but most of them wouldn't.

P_Cash · 04-05-2015 12:26PM

bayticol isnt an injections, its a pour on.

and yes, its the best there is imo.

used it on this farm for 20+ years, very few cases of red water .

some people use it twice/3 times a year.

but ive found on my farm, middle of may, and that does it.

there all out now, so ill bring them in and pass them trough the shoot when we are promised a dry spell, then let them out.

i think over years the benefit is gained

a vet told me, the bayticol makes the tick infertile, so the ticks around my farm are long gone. . .

he said you dad was the first man i ever seen with bayticol and it certainly works. no red water here for 10+ years, honest truth on the matter.

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