[Superthread] Mayweather vs Pacman NO STREAMING REQUESTS

blade1 · 03-05-2015 11:41AM

I'd say Carl Froch had a little accident in his pants when Floyd was named winner.
After the fight see the way Adam Smith looked at the camera when Carl said "I might not be the most skillful"
Smith looked like he was thinking " No Shît Sherlock" :pac:

strobe · 03-05-2015 11:49AM

Just a little Samba wrote: »

Just as an aside, if this fight was "boring" (it wasn't) it's because Manny made it boring. He completely stood off. Floyd didn't "run away", Manny just didn't try to come on to him and as a result Floyd was able to keep him away with his massive reach advantage.

Truth is, the only way this fight was every going to be "exciting" in the way you wanted was if Manny had of come at Floyd the way he is known for doing, but the sad reality is that if that happened, it would be an even more one side decision of points or Manny would have ran out of gas by the 9th and ended up being knocked down too many times to carry on.

Floyd is a counter puncher who didn't once have to counter punch tonight, he dominated the ring, used his jab and straight right and made Manny look scared.

Mayweather threw more punches, how often can we say that?
Manny only landed 18 jabs (9%), Mayweather landed 67.

Mayweather landed 81 of his 168 power punches (48%)
Manny landed only 63 of his 246 (27%).

So over all we can see, Manny didn't use his jab, threw too many wild punches at nothing and allowed himself to get hit far too often.

Unfortunately I've got to agree with that. Floyd stood off at distance and picked him off with the straight right. Covered up, slipped, and moved away when Pac very rarely closed the distance. Exactly what he was always going to do. Play to his strengths. What was he going to do, chase down Manny Pacquaoi? Essentially take all the risk when the fight was being offered up on a plate for him? Why? Pac didn't want to risk getting stopped, so didn't press it enough. Didn't risk enough. Kept waiting for God to deliver the fight to him. People can say all day that mayweather made it a boring fight. There were two of them making that happen. If anything Manny bares the most responsibility of the two for how things went last night.

Still one of my favourite fighters and I'll remember him for his great performances. But he bottled it.

Chrissybhoy · 03-05-2015 12:12PM

walshb wrote: »

I have to comment on Manny's thinking he won the fight. We need to remember it's raw and immediate interview. He was in the ring fighting, not outside watching, and he was moving and punching and for the most part, pressing the action. Add this to the fact that he wasn't hit all that hard, and there were many instances where he was ducking and blocking shots from Floyd. I can well understand him maybe believing that he was doing every bit as good as Floyd.

Manny was thinking similarly to Guerrero and Maidana. Floyd's a runner. Floyd at WW should have had the balls and "real genius" to push Manny back and hustle him and stay in the pocket and beat him up. That's real brilliance and genius. Not running and ducking and throwing casual pot shots with little substance for 12 rds. Floyd has shown many genius instances and brilliant performances. No way was last night one of them. The Sky team were a joke. Embarrassing the fawning and adulation they heaped on Floyd for anything he did.

HBO and Showtime must be embarrassment too suppose anyone that says Mayweather was good is a joke

RoryMac · 03-05-2015 12:13PM

walshb wrote: »

I have to comment on Manny's thinking he won the fight. We need to remember it's raw and immediate interview. He was in the ring fighting, not outside watching, and he was moving and punching and for the most part, pressing the action. Add this to the fact that he wasn't hit all that hard, and there were many instances where he was ducking and blocking shots from Floyd. I can well understand him maybe believing that he was doing every bit as good as Floyd.

Manny was thinking similarly to Guerrero and Maidana. Floyd's a runner. Floyd at WW should have had the balls and "real genius" to push Manny back and hustle him and stay in the pocket and beat him up. That's real brilliance and genius. Not running and ducking and throwing casual pot shots with little substance for 12 rds. Floyd has shown many genius instances and brilliant performances. No way was last night one of them. The Sky team were a joke. Embarrassing the fawning and adulation they heaped on Floyd for anything he did.

While I do understand that because of his disappointment at his performance in the fight he could try to claim he was in the mix, I can't agree the Manny may have had reason to think he was actually winning the fight, he had to be aware that the number of punches he was throwing was way down on what he needed and that most of the punches he did get off were hitting Mayweather's guard. And if he wasn't Roach should have been telling him.

Mayweather's game plan was always going to be as we saw last night and it was up to Manny to find a way to close the angle, get in range and get shots off. Whatever about shots landed but the fact that Mayweather threw more punches than Manny last night is a good indicator of how poor Manny's plan was working.

I do agree that Mayweather could have & should have at times imposed himself on Manny more, in the later rounds especially I think a more aggressive Mayweather could have taken the fight to Manny, given the fans a better show and stopped Manny.

It sounded like Floyd Snr was telling him that between rounds but Jnr played safe as he usually does.

I suppose my point is that I think Manny deserves as much if not more blame for the lack of entertainment a lot felt the fight lacked

prettyboy81 · 03-05-2015 12:23PM

Mayweather Master Class & job done with a lot of ease!

Drumpot · 03-05-2015 12:35PM

Stayed up and watched the fight that went exactly how I expected.

I was dissapointed with the outcome and how pacman couldn't catch mayweather. I think mayweather is a superb athlete and a great tactician. But his style isn't easy on the eye. It's just a bit sad for boxing that the best boxer of this generation is best at grappling, running and dodging opponents.

Hans Bricks · 03-05-2015 12:47PM

Probably the most underwhelming fight I've seen in ages. Floyd's bigger size and reach definitely made all the difference. You could see it straight off the bat with those counter punches and in fairness Manny landed a good few solid counters with his left too. But he didn't press hard enough and allowed Floyd to duck and dance around the perimeter of the ring. I'll give Mayweather credit where it's due on the scorecards, but he didn't pull off anything "magical" or "masterful" IMO.

Dick phelan · 03-05-2015 12:50PM

How was that a masterclass? Don't get me wrong Floyd won but i don't consider holding to be a master tactic, I also had it closer then 118-110, You don't win rounds just running and jabbing.

blade1 · 03-05-2015 12:51PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Stayed up and watched the fight that went exactly how I expected.

I was dissapointed with the outcome and how pacman couldn't catch mayweather. I think mayweather is a superb athlete and a great tactician. But his style isn't easy on the eye. It's just a bit sad for boxing that the best boxer of this generation is best at grappling, running and dodging opponents.

You were disappointed even though the fight went exactly the way you expected?

The minute the fight was announced anyone that knew what they were talking about knew the fight would be more or less like it turned out.
Most people that thought pac would win were I felt getting carried away because he is so popular.

Brian? · 03-05-2015 12:52PM

walshb wrote: »

I have to comment on Manny's thinking he won the fight. We need to remember it's raw and immediate interview. He was in the ring fighting, not outside watching, and he was moving and punching and for the most part, pressing the action. Add this to the fact that he wasn't hit all that hard, and there were many instances where he was ducking and blocking shots from Floyd. I can well understand him maybe believing that he was doing every bit as good as Floyd.

Manny was thinking similarly to Guerrero and Maidana. Floyd's a runner. Floyd at WW should have had the balls and "real genius" to push Manny back and hustle him and stay in the pocket and beat him up. That's real brilliance and genius. Not running and ducking and throwing casual pot shots with little substance for 12 rds. Floyd has shown many genius instances and brilliant performances. No way was last night one of them. The Sky team were a joke. Embarrassing the fawning and adulation they heaped on Floyd for anything he did.

I understand what you're saying, but real genius is not putting on a show to entertain the crowd. Real genius is winning every time. Mayweather is the greatest defensive boxer the game has ever seen and we saw an absolute master class of defensive boxing last night.

As for the sky commentators fawning over Mayweather, they were right.

SlickRic · 03-05-2015 12:53PM

Dick phelan wrote: »

You don't win rounds just running and jabbing.

You do if you land your punches and your opponent relentlessly misses.

Richard tea · 03-05-2015 12:58PM

Boring.

walshb · 03-05-2015 01:03PM

Brian? wrote: »

I understand what you're saying, but real genius is not putting on a show to entertain the crowd. Real genius is winning every time. Mayweather is the greatest defensive boxer the game has ever seen and we saw an absolute master class of defensive boxing last night.

As for the sky commentators fawning over Mayweather, they were right.

That's my whole point. It's ridiculous this adulation for defense defense defense. FFS, many could be great if they were OTT defensive and cautious. I want to see offense as well, and Money, as of late has been underwhelming in that area.

People fawning and salivating over Mayeather ducking a shot or jumping out of the way of a shot is ridiculous. In the pocket defense with counter offenses is something I could get behind alright, but Money hasn't been doing that for years. Being at least one weight naturally bigger than your foe and stinking the joint out with these offensive efforts doesn't for it for me.

Floyd barely threw one single combination last night. It was all pissy jabs and swipes and lead rights. Many didn't even land. BUT, the fact he was throwing them for some was enough for them to wet their pants!

walshb · 03-05-2015 01:04PM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

HBO and Showtime must be embarrassment too suppose anyone that says Mayweather was good is a joke

No issue with anyone saying tha he is good. He is. But the OTT adulation for last night's performance is way off the mark. He didn't do anything on offense to deserve the hyped praise.

walshb · 03-05-2015 01:05PM

SlickRic wrote: »

You do if you land your punches and your opponent relentlessly misses.

Manny landed a fair deal of shots. Arms and shoulders count. I am counting them if Mayweather fan boys are counting shots that hit Manny's gloves.

Hans Bricks · 03-05-2015 01:11PM

Manny facilitated Floyd though. He allowed him to utilize his size, reach and counter right hand for the whole fight. Manny was never going to win with defensive caution and Floyd took advantage of that.

Chrissybhoy · 03-05-2015 01:12PM

walshb wrote: »

No issue with anyone saying tha he is good. He is. But the OTT adulation for last night's performance is way off the mark. He didn't do anything on offense to deserve the hyped praise.

But it's anyone he faces now he makes them look ordinary and for that he should be given credit and manny isn't ordinary. I'd love to see him go really take it his foe in second half of the fight when he's comfortable he threatens to but then holds back and I said before maybe it's the trouble he's had with his hands last 8/9 years. All the crap on here he was running dodging over exaggerated noting about the quality right hands he landed with ease last night and I believe he hurt manny with them hence manny never let go he was afraid of them punches

RoryMac · 03-05-2015 01:16PM

Hans Bricks wrote: »

Manny facilitated Floyd though. He allowed him to utilize his size, reach and counter right hand for the whole fight. Manny was never going to win with defensive caution and Floyd took advantage of that.

Agreed, Manny had no plan for getting into range to get shots off. He didn't try to pin Mayweather down.

If one aspect of the fight deserves criticism it was the lack of a plan from Manny & Roach

ebbsy · 03-05-2015 01:17PM

Hans Bricks wrote: »

Manny facilitated Floyd though. He allowed him to utilize his size, reach and counter right hand for the whole fight. Manny was never going to win with defensive caution and Floyd took advantage of that.

True, Floyd never allowed himself to get trapped on the ropes, held the centre of the ring when possible. When he won the first 3 rounds it was all over.

Alfred Borden · 03-05-2015 01:18PM

The state of boxing at the moment. No surprise that the serial ducker wins a fight he should. Shame because it would have been some fight a few years back.

walshb · 03-05-2015 01:21PM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

But it's anyone he faces now he makes them look ordinary and for that he should be given credit and manny isn't ordinary. I'd love to see him go really take it his foe in second half of the fight when he's comfortable he threatens to but then holds back and I said before maybe it's the trouble he's had with his hands last 8/9 years. All the crap on here he was running dodging over exaggerated noting about the quality right hands he landed with ease last night and I believe he hurt manny with them hence manny never let go he was afraid of them punches

I may need to watch it again, but were there really many quality right hands? Sure, he threw many, but how many landed clean and were of substance? This is my main issue with Floyd. The substance and effectiveness of his shots. I don't see it all that much. Listening to the commentary any flashy and snappy right lead thrown was being hailed as genius whether it landed or not. Similar to Pacman vs. Bradley in fight 1. HBO were ridiculous in their commentary analysis.

Bubolor · 03-05-2015 01:37PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Stayed up and watched the fight that went exactly how I expected.

I was dissapointed with the outcome and how pacman couldn't catch mayweather. I think mayweather is a superb athlete and a great tactician. But his style isn't easy on the eye. It's just a bit sad for boxing that the best boxer of this generation is best at grappling, running and dodging opponents.

I think Mayweather is beautiful to watch boxing.

Drumpot · 03-05-2015 01:37PM

blade1 wrote: »

You were disappointed even though the fight went exactly the way you expected?

The minute the fight was announced anyone that knew what they were talking about knew the fight would be more or less like it turned out.
Most people that thought pac would win were I felt getting carried away because he is so popular.

People don't watch sporting events because they always go the way they are expected to, they watch them for the drama and unexpected. As you would see from my post i prediction section I felt mayweather would win on points. I watched in the hope that manny would rattle him more but it didn't materialise.

If I didn't bother watching things because I presumed they would end up exactly how I thought I wouldn't watch much!

walshb · 03-05-2015 01:38PM

In a nutshell Mayweather is way more impressive in not losing than he is in winning!

Bubolor · 03-05-2015 01:38PM

Raf32 wrote: »

The state of boxing at the moment. No surprise that the serial ducker wins a fight he should. Shame because it would have been some fight a few years back.

Boxing is quite good at the moment imo.

walshb · 03-05-2015 01:39PM

Bubolor wrote: »

I think Mayweather is beautiful to watch boxing.

Maybe elaborate? Is pot shotting and swipes and ducking to the canvas to defend really beautiful?

Andrew76 · 03-05-2015 01:40PM

walshb wrote: »

I may need to watch it again, but were there really many quality right hands? Sure, he threw many, but how many landed clean and were of substance? This is my main issue with Floyd. The substance and effectiveness of his shots. I don't see it all that much. Listening to the commentary any flashy and snappy right lead thrown was being hailed as genius whether it landed or not. Similar to Pacman vs. Bradley in fight 1. HBO were ridiculous in their commentary analysis.

Genuinely interested in hearing your take on Manny's performance? I wanted Floyd to win from the outset and expected him to do only what was needed, but I was dissappointed with the lack of pressure from Pacquiao. Surely he knew Floyd would be elusive and he'd have to stay on him a lot. Not sure if that was all down to Mayweather, or Manny's alledged shoulder injury, or maybe his work rate isn't what it used to be? (I haven't seen his last few fights.)

Mellor · 03-05-2015 01:42PM

Bubolor wrote: »

I think Mayweather is beautiful to watch boxing.

I think you're pretending

Drumpot · 03-05-2015 01:43PM

Bubolor wrote: »

I think Mayweather is beautiful to watch boxing.

I understand some people enjoy his technique just like some people enjoy klitchkos. It's just not entertaining to the vast majority of sporting fans who aren't hardcore boxing fans.

Boxing fans might not care but it's a danger to the sport if many people find it boring. Everybody wants to watch Ali or Tyson fighters. As a non hardcore boxing fan I used to love the 90d Some great boxing.

Even the legendary berrera v morales fights were superb. I'm sure there's been plenty of other great boxing but the bigger question for boxing fans is do they want the sport to thrive or do they want defencive boxers who are technically superb but not entertaining to most, to lead the sport?

Chrissybhoy · 03-05-2015 01:43PM

Raf32 wrote: »

The state of boxing at the moment. No surprise that the serial ducker wins a fight he should. Shame because it would have been some fight a few years back.

Can you explain what exactly would be different

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