Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Well lads, how do ye rate your chances against Waterford on Sunday, with the neutral unbiased hat on? I suppose it may be better to form an opinion after the teams are named but I purely ask as I'm in a competition at the moment whereby if I get this result right, I win money for myself and for my club, much more money for the club than me :pac:

I honestly feel Cork are favourites and should win but jesus Waterford are in serious form at the moment that I wouldn't be surprised if they got the win. They'll need Cork to have an off day and to put 110% in to get the win and can be suspect to having a lot of wides so will need to work on their shooting.

This "form" Waterford are supposedly in. Whats that based on? No Disrespect to Limerick, Wexford, Offaly Laois and Antrim but they're not exactly the same standard as the Div 1A teams that Cork have played. Form goes out the window for finals.

Connorzee wrote: »

This "form" Waterford are supposedly in. Whats that based on? No Disrespect to Limerick, Wexford, Offaly Laois and Antrim but they're not exactly the same standard as the Div 1A teams that Cork have played. Form goes out the window for finals.

Hammered Galway and came back from 3 points down to beat Tipperary. Would not be surprised in the slightest if they won but I still reckon Cork should have the beating of them in Thurles

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I'd agree waterford would for well to be aware false dawns as the league and championship shows

They have improve but talk say waterford are very gold no logic yet

Offaly Laois etc Galway poorer
Tipperary credit due to a point
Limerick are absolutely dire so only drew with them
So well see Sunday

Limerick man here....

I wouldn't say we're dire. Just not very good....

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I'd agree waterford would for well to be aware false dawns as the league and championship shows

They have improve but talk say waterford are very gold no logic yet

Offaly Laois etc Galway poorer
Tipperary credit due to a point
Limerick are absolutely dire so only drew with them
So well see Sunday

As usual you apply a totally different logic to other teams than you do to Cork. If Galway are so poor, why did Cork only beat them by a goal? To critisise Waterford for only drawing with Limerick but not mention the fact that Cork struggled to beat Wexford. There is absolutely nothing between Cork and Waterford (this years teams - forget about previous years) and Sundays result will reflect that. You were saying all the same rubbish that Waterford haven't proved anyting before the Tipp game and look what happened there. I hope for Corks sake they don't turn up with the same lack of respect for Waterford that you have because they will be well beaten if they do. There is nothing between Cork, Tipp, Clare, Dublin, Waterford and probably limerick if they get their act together. That's what is going to make this years championship so good.

redlead wrote: »

As usual you apply a totally different logic to other teams than you do to Cork. If Galway are so poor, why did Cork only beat them by a goal? To critisise Waterford for only drawing with Limerick but not mention the fact that Cork struggled to beat Wexford. There is absolutely nothing between Cork and Waterford (this years teams - forget about previous years) and Sundays result will reflect that. You were saying all the same rubbish that Waterford haven't proved anyting before the Tipp game and look what happened there. I hope for Corks sake they don't turn up with the same lack of respect for Waterford that you have because they will be well beaten if they do. There is nothing between Cork, Tipp, Clare, Dublin, Waterford and probably limerick if they get their act together. That's what is going to make this years championship so good.

I have taken on your points and I appreciate your opinion and I respect it


I don't agree though
As my posts prove regards teams and I'm sorry of it offends but as football proved cork under twenty one v Waterford last year I'm a realist and I don't do false dawns as they have habit of coming back to haunt you so I think and said waterford done all asked and we'll but nothing proven yet in big games



Cork beating Galway by threw to waterford hammering Galway means nothing in Galway are dismal under cunningham and have outgrown him but you forget Galway played cork home advantage and always tough cork beat


Waterford played Galway not in Galway

As for wexford cork struggled but cork beaten Dublin twice and clare and been higher level league consistently then waterford
Waterford are division two and don't forget cork neat waterford last year easily



Most know my logic is consistent and I be fair never sit in the fence always give view whether people agree or not before and after the game


As for Sunday I got to see cork team ist as I belive in astute in depth assement so pardon me I won't jump in predict now however I am kind of thinking waterford may win as despite all talk etc cork want win I remains be convinced cork all out win this yes want it all out I doubt it and Waterford are as while jbm has doubters he's proven still where mcgrath largely unproven

Waterford when they perform big games then I'll say fair play maybe I was wrong however as my posting history proves seldom does one swallow ever make a summer and that just my opinion is why seldom I'm rarely wrong when I judge a team and it's manager as one game never is total value I judge on


But yes waterford hsve made progress however division two ane division one are not at the same level and since wexford no team won since ninety six all Ireland so not my opinion but a fact of history division two hurling not at same level as division one

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Cork v Waterford should be a good game. Even with a few starters not available to us we should have to win. Cork could do with a good hard game and I think they will get it.

There's still concern over one or two so hopefully team tonight well know more


You were totally correct by the way regards cork football you gave a brilliant report after kerry game saying cork wouldn't want read much in to it and you were right and your concerns regards cuthbert are very valid imo

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I have taken on your points and I appreciate your opinion and I respect it


I don't agree though
As my posts prove regards teams and I'm sorry of it offends but as football proved cork under twenty one v Waterford last year I'm a realist and I don't do false dawns as they have habit of coming back to haunt you so I think and said waterford done all asked and we'll but nothing proven yet in big games



Cork beating Galway by threw to waterford hammering Galway means nothing in Galway are dismal under cunningham and have outgrown him but you forget Galway played cork home advantage and always tough cork beat


Waterford played Galway not in Galway

As for wexford cork struggled but cork beaten Dublin twice and clare and been higher level league consistently then waterford
Waterford are division two and don't forget cork neat waterford last year easily



Most know my logic is consistent and I be fair never sit in the fence always give view whether people agree or not before and after the game


As for Sunday I got to see cork team ist as I belive in astute in depth assement so pardon me I won't jump in predict now however I am kind of thinking waterford may win as despite all talk etc cork want win I remains be convinced cork all out win this yes want it all out I doubt it and Waterford are as while jbm has doubters he's proven still where mcgrath largely unproven

Waterford when they perform big games then I'll say fair play maybe I was wrong however as my posting history proves seldom does one swallow ever make a summer and that just my opinion is why seldom I'm rarely wrong when I judge a team and it's manager as one game never is total value I judge on


But yes waterford hsve made progress however division two ane division one are not at the same level and since wexford no team won since ninety six all Ireland so not my opinion but a fact of history division two hurling not at same level as division one

Sorry thinkstoomuch1, but you say you’re open to changing your opinion, but you’re clearly not. You seem to have hurdles that Waterford have to overcome before respecting them, but you change them every time they get over one.

We draw with Limerick on the opening day of the league (after they got two very soft penalties). I’d have thought that getting to the last 4 of the AI for the last two years and winning Munster two years ago would make them decent opposition and the draw would mean something? No, apparently not.
We beat Wexford comfortably in Wexford. They beat the AI champs and Waterford the year before, drew with Dublin the year before that. They’d go on to push Cork close in Cork in their next game. Does that count as something? No, it doesn’t.
Then we finally come up against a Division 1 team – Galway. They’d beaten Clare and Kilkenny in the league (Division 1 teams) and had close matches against Cork and Tipp (Division 1 teams). We win comfortably again. And again no, it doesn’t mean anything.
Then we come up against Tipp, many people’s favourite for the all Ireland, runners up last year, in good form, topped the league table. We have a very good comeback against them to win a tight encounter. Does it count? Yes apparently, but you’re still not budging on your opinion!

You say you respect Waterford, but that’s just talk. I’m not sure you’re capable of it to be honest.

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Look at cork football this league winning games then crunch came and lost

If ye loose Sunday will you be as confident or will you run hair chase hound praise team one minute winds changed then slate them as some fans do
Not my style
I like to be consistent

I said waterford wouldn't beat cork championship day one now beating Laois antrim limerick Galway isn't going to change that
Fair play ye beat tipp however missing a few and tbh played like team out grew o shea and looked hunger less
Good win nothing great in ye won by a point ye easily could lost



I'm sorry now but I like be consistent so again unfortunately it puts me unpopular view again as I'm one won't go with this talk waterford rude health just yet when only one win to a degree with real value
Cork beat tipp munster five years ago yet woeful two years under Walsh
One win never imo proved anything and as of yet I only regards one win waterford had league of value as other teams poor as time proved imo

Ye have made progress but yr hsve huge issues as in scoring from play etc
Galway are awful to be fair
When ye beat cork munster championship if so I'll fully give Waterford credit and I'll lauded them and admit I was wrong but as of yet ye have done nothing
Ye will possibly from what I'm hearing regards injury if true beat cork Sunday but imo not in munster

I respect you opinion but we'll disagree
Championship will define all

You put a lot of stock in the difference between division 1 and 2 teams, but when we beat division 1 teams it means nothing. Clare won the AI a year after being in Division 2 and Cork got to a final a year after being in Division 2. In truth there are more strong teams than there are places in Division 1. There are arguably 3 good teams in Division 2. Being in Division 2 (or 1B as they call it) is quite different to what it meant a few years ago.

And there’s a difference between being consistent in an opinion and being unwilling to alter one. I like to think I’m quite consistent and conservative in changing it. At the start of the year I thought Limerick would be the ones promoted and thought ourselves and Wexford would be fairly evenly matched. After the Limerick game I thought that might still be the case, but over the course of the league I changed my opinion. Now, after 7 games, 4 against what I’d consider good opposition I’m confident in saying that we’re able to compete with the top counties again. One more game isn’t going to change my opinion massively either way. If we win it will give me a bit more confidence going into the championship against Cork. If we lose a little less.

And after that championship game there’s still the back door for either county. Whoever loses I won’t write them off for the rest of the summer.

Anyway, best of luck on Sunday!

zetecescort wrote: »

Lehane at full forward given the form of Luke and particularly Paudie is a strange one imo, don't think Conor has ever played well in there

Great call in cork are not going orthodox

Lehane will drop and roam and cadogan horgan inside
Year ago I'd be worried lehane starting but clear landers will play sweeper


Sullivan rightly so didn't start this game hordes courses selection and save bit for June

Great great poker players never show all their hand ist deal

Very very happy well done management
Learning at last credit where due


Cork are shadow boxing clear as day like I said earlier would and their absolutely right to only worry Nash huge doubts so if not fit worry Collins and Ryan start finally ist time but leaderships o brilliant and Mcdonnell is needed

I agree Cooper has to start a bit of Tim Crowley about him ! Aidan Ryan played for Gerald McCarthys team during the strike in 2009 .....if Nash is out young Patrick Collins will start ....a brand new Goalie and full back in a National final very interesting ! delighted to see Jamie Coughlan in the subs hopefully he can stay injury free now a class act . I think the subs list looks strong would like Anthony Spillane and Colm to be involved and John Cronin....tough going on young Anthony Spillane to miss out hes been involved in all the league games ...Darren McCarthys 4 points from play against Kilkenny must have played him on to the subs bench.

Ryan is twenty nine and six foot three and very strong so ideal size for full back