Cork GAA Discussion Thread

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Wrong attuide in you don't rate a player you don't simply don't play him and if it means play player no better at least try new guy and offer hope



Cronin galvin all better than loughrey
Loughrey was poor Sunday and I don't blame him

Simple thing we can all agree on here is even you don't like English gene clearly etc bottom line is they all are some way proven at intercounty at a level or club that sexton and Davis are not even at club like sullivan and cuthbert bar minor to a degree


We don't know how good English clearly etc make cork but we know they certainly can't be worse this shambles and certainly odds are be least competitive

I agree they would at least be at the same level as the current group but they are certainly not the messiahs

Gould i dont rate on the national stage but its up to others to prove they are ahead of him within Cork. Aidan Walsh could do that but has gone hurling and Maguire may develop into it but isnt their yet. Dineen has never had the opportunity at intercounty and IMO O'Laoire isnt anywhere near good enough.

So you have a hurler, a player with a serious back problem and a player that hasnt been given a chance but previously didnt want to be involved anyway. So where is their a viable alternative to him then?

slingerz wrote: »

I agree they would at least be at the same level as the current group but they are certainly not the messiahs

Gould i dont rate on the national stage but its up to others to prove they are ahead of him within Cork. Aidan Walsh could do that but has gone hurling and Maguire may develop into it but isnt their yet. Dineen has never had the opportunity at intercounty and IMO O'Laoire isnt anywhere near good enough.

So you have a hurler, a player with a serious back problem and a player that hasnt been given a chance but previously didnt want to be involved anyway. So where is their a viable alternative to him then?

Its simple in wexford know gould won't do so we try others at worst we know they can't do but at least there's a chance

Dinnen outstanding v meath challenge training camp ul but no chance
Be fair that's not right
Laoire never got game time league like others at least give gut chance
Maguire injured so kiely while he's work on distribution call him up
Rather recall cussen and once great o Connor give fiactra lynch a few games as can win ball and not forward but may may be ball winner
What you're doing imo is taking this management judgements players as gospel when all during their term showed their perception judgment player is truly awful


Deane if fit a game but remember only by cork man put piece together on deane tralee it that he despite not making cuthbert ist panel eventually got second panel despite good under twenty one and junior time with cork and then never had luxury play with Walsh but got one game v westmeath and Andrew sullivan rated over him so no guarantee fit deane rated this set up

Fair point not the messiahs the management I names that's valid point but look all I'm saying is that this set up management is poor and going nowhere and at least other more proven and even one per cent improvement better current shambles we have now

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Its simple in wexford know gould won't do so we try others at worst we know they can't do but at least there's a chance

Dinnen outstanding v meath challenge training camp ul but no chance
Be fair that's not right
Laoire never got game time league like others at least give gut chance
Maguire injured so kiely while he's work on distribution call him up
Rather recall cussen and once great o Connor give fiactra lynch a few games as can win ball and not forward but may may be ball winner
What you're doing imo is taking this management judgements players as gospel when all during their term showed their perception judgment player is truly awful


Deane if fit a game but remember only by cork man put piece together on deane tralee it that he despite not making cuthbert ist panel eventually got second panel despite good under twenty one and junior time with cork and then never had luxury play with Walsh but got one game v westmeath and Andrew sullivan rated over him so no guarantee fit deane rated this set up

Fair point not the messiahs the management I names that's valid point but look all I'm saying is that this set up management is poor and going nowhere and at least other more proven and even one per cent improvement better current shambles we have now

I'd give Kiely a go alright along with Dineen and O'Laoire. I rate O'Laoire behind Gould to be honest. Deane should get a go alright once he is over his injury, i think he could be an option at wing forward moreso than midfield though. Fiachra Lynch i would give a go as well possibly Kevin Canty too but i cant say that those listed have excelled to such a degree in the county championship that i could say they had to be definite starters at midfield

slingerz wrote: »

I'd give Kiely a go alright along with Dineen and O'Laoire. I rate O'Laoire behind Gould to be honest. Deane should get a go alright once he is over his injury, i think he could be an option at wing forward moreso than midfield though. Fiachra Lynch i would give a go as well possibly Kevin Canty too but i cant say that those listed have excelled to such a degree in the county championship that i could say they had to be definite starters at midfield

And I totally agree these lads may not work but all I want is cork try others as it's clear as day cadogan Gould Collins at midfield won't work

Canty give him a game but I have concerns and seen him go out games at club level


And you have valid points that none stood out consistent club scene fair enough bar imo dinnen but the point is gould never ever stood out Macroom consistently or Muskerry or cadogan played midfield for Douglas or Collins for haven only when there stuck but never performed their


Sullivan last year never stood out for Castletownbete
I agree deane can play half forward and has done and always chops in with a score or two
I always rated deane as against Dublin under twenty ones on beaten team he played brilliant and showed a hunger want desire to win ball under clearly

If anyone wants to see how management can make a huge difference watch louth the seventheen may

They won't win all Ireland but having struggled all year they will vastly improvement for westmeath as great great great mick dwyer now training them will have boost players as where ever mick went wicklow Kildare Laois kerry etc he instilled belief and fight and made teams better what they were


So we will get a really good lesson in art how vital management helps a team at any level
I'd recommend any cork fans that say management no huge influence all bout players watch this game as mick wonderful example of difference management can make and he has just four weeks

They won't win leinster but will get a win or two and that seemed impossible earlier. And mick hasn't seven weeks so root and branch review louth but will rely on he's understanding of basics gaelic football

zetecescort wrote: »

Cork open nights next Tuesday and Wednesday.

http://www.gaacork.ie/news/358602/Cork_GAA_Open_Nights_Tues_5th_Wed_6th_May_Pairc_Ui_Rinn_7_30

Great timing for the footballers after the massacre sunday. A further morale sapper when your told to hang around and no one there,they should have waited a few weeks or held it in clon or somewhere they might get a crowd

Well, did JBM find those sleeping pills for Cahalane yet? Supposedly the poor fella is having nightmares about facing Waterford Sunday. In fairness you can't blame him, with Patrick Horgan spending Sunday afternoon trying to find a way out of Noel Connors' pocket and Harnedy chasing Tadhg Bourke's shadow for 70minutes, who's going to save Cork? Ye should try bring Joe Deane or Brian Corcoran out of retirement

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

What do you make of the root and branch review
Lot I talk to seem to think it's what is needed

A complete joke, Cuthbert has had more reviews then the hse, he might review himself and his management team who are totally out of their depth.

Interesting to read Lorcan McLoughlin say that the squad is very light in defence and that the squad was very sorry to lose Conor O Sullivan , William Egan refused to come back also when asked by JBM....Along with Chris Joyces injury we are very tight regards defenders ....Shane O Neill, Damien Cahalane , Stephen McDonnell, Lorcan, Mark Ellis and Cormac Murphy that's our back 6 .....William Kearney, Brian O Sullivan two defenders who are very inexperienced Aidan Ryan in his late 20s now not sure he will make it ..Killian Burke I think is the only top sub defender we have right now .....O Sullivan, Egan and Joyce are big losses ....worrying times as regards the defence more so if any of the 6 were to get injured...

Deise_2012 wrote: »

We have a good few defenders spare, give us a shout if ye're stuck Sunday!

Thanks a lot, Waterford are the new KK, hopefully cork get the bounce of the ball and with a bit of luck we stay within ten points as this Waterford team have been truly outstanding in the league, the best team in Ireland by a mile
I heard from a reliable scource Cody is really worried and he's trying to get jj and shefflin out of retirement just to compete with Waterford this year.
I wish I was in your shoes, yere unbeatable this year

how have ye defenders tospare when ye will have 12players behind the ball

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cork 3 -15 clare 3 - 13 tonight in a minor hurling challenge in ballyhea. would apprceciate an idea re corks strength tonight.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/traditional-roles-hard-to-break/


He's entitled to he's opinion the writer I respect it but I disagree with it

To use tradition imo is the same excuse cork football always uses when blames everything bar the hub of the problem
It's like we have no traditional ethos glory cork football so seven all Irelands we accept and we shouldn't expect or demands cultural change

Donegal had no culture of successful or clsre under twenty one hurlers yet they were success
Cork under twenty one football had no tradition ten years or so ago and came from Anthony Davis rock bottom defeat to waterford and changed its legacy
Castlehaven had no traditional and look at their success
Newton has no traditional success yet they won four county titles and all Ireland and munster club

Balloncollg for years were a classic pro type cork football but due to culture change and hard work and good management won a brilliant county playing brilliant football and hsve at least imo two more county titles in them
Chelsea in league titles were a nothing club and now look at them
Leinster rugby was under achievers all hair oil no socks but changed the legacy to become the greatest European side ever and changed to winning culture


Of course the best examples is on cork doorstep the wonderful truly wonderful cork ladies footballers that couldn't even compete in games yet cork have won so many munster so many all Ireland so many all stars so many league titles I actually forget the number in total



As harte said they had a culture of no value to cork ladies they had no identity years ago they never knew what it meant but eammon Ryan changed that and traditions went out the windows


He has a point regards tradition to a degree but imo correlation is more associated with greatest respect wicklow Kildare etc this world and cork with resources number clubs playing population and talent available as proven by countless wonderful football players we produce over and over again is not a justified excuse imo for cork football


He uses term collapse as imo it kind saying harsh word he says in saying cork never got going so couldn't collapse to begin with
Imo it's a non logic argument when imo grasping for staws is all I can see the article is doing as look it was a collapse and if he wants to ignore that on cork never started well well then look back to last year a huge league and cork were humiliated by Dublin so that was a utter utter total collapse so there no denying cork collapse under this management and mayo last year I'm the league, ist twenty minutes second half all Ireland quatre final, Dublin this and last year and kerry surely people will stop making excuses that are not there or at best play a minority problems and realise that bar no pressure early games cork win over fitness alone when big games come cork don't just loose but a point that's never said a lot cork are not loosing under management but loosing badly consistently




The writer says cork are in transition
Cork imo with shields cads kelly doc colm Kerrigan and Walsh last year were just same or close number senior all Ireland winners Dublin have and cork have munster success and success at ucc in sigerson cups so cork year half in are far from transition as let's go further to prove it



Cork transitional game defence started last July v sligo and conceded seven ninety in group stages the league
Dublin like cork were all out attack
They started the same defence system as cork actually in months after cork not end their championship like cork yer conceded just two seventy eight group stages



Meath changes their system to defence and very good defence in division two
Kerry last year changed their system in league last year and has the best record defence last year


This is not my opinion but anyone looking at the defence records will surely see Dublin meath kerry all in transition period improved their defence in one year league cork havent at all and bar kerry worst defence this year something I noticed most cork media rarely highlights or eight goals one hundred thirty conceded all league and best we get we concede a lot some say but why not print the stats as we can all see them


The fact cork are in transition doesn't imo justify the dualism, recall some players that then dropped again, numerous times picking many many players out of positions, the critsom horan and mayo last year and the three humiliation defeats plus imo mayo as imo one point moral victory defeat hindered cork football as covered up weak spots and course don't forget cork were haunted in cork to beat tipp

A lot is made of cork confidence was lost after Dublin last year as if cork should say not management fault when jbm twice in 99 after huge defeat limerick three years earlier and after league defeat rebuilt cork confidence, mcguiness rebuild donegal after year before humiliating defeat to armagh etc many more examples where good management can regain confidence to a team but this set up purely bases results have done nothing to prove they can do the same



Last year a picture in cork was painted on flawed early leagues cork serious contenders for all Ireland or munster when as said it then we were way off
This year we heard again cork were on the road to redemption


People are entitled to their opinions but imo cork games are seen as false dawns in early league imo as James horan said more or less
I noticed dave Barry and eugene-mcgee mentioned regularly to add immunity to critse cork management but James horan raised questions internally externally yet never mentioned


What amazed me is Paul Grimley admitted he was to blame armagh last year Jim gavin for Dublin Paul Bealin sacked over run defeats westmeath yet no one question performances field play this management when again no one rarely says sexton sullivan and Davis no records and cuthbert no record club and people say give him time seem to forget he was selector with counihan so nearly threw years he's senior experience so this talk he's learning imo doesn't add up when mcguiness Fitzmauirce Davy all had success fast


Some media blame players
No one yet said this cork team lacked direction leadership and fight from management level and should be questioned on management records when cork football deserves that at least imo