2015 NFL Draft

Prefab Sprouter · 30-04-2015 07:37AM

Rock Lesnar wrote: »

I dont know why, but im expecting Chip Kelly turning into Harry Redknapp on deadline day.

Wonder will any of his freee agent pickups get traded on Draft day?

Knex* · 30-04-2015 08:01AM

If the Browns trade up to #2 to take Mariota, they're idiots.

Why take Manziel last year if you know Mariota is your guy? I don't think I'll ever understand that Front Office.

Realt Dearg Sec · 30-04-2015 08:13AM

Knex. wrote: »

If the Browns trade up to #2 to take Mariota, they're idiots.

I think we can make that pronouncement now to be honest, without that last shred of evidence.

Realt Dearg Sec · 30-04-2015 08:15AM

Knex. wrote: »

Why take Manziel last year if you know Mariota is your guy? I don't think I'll ever understand that Front Office.

Didn't you hear? Manziel sent them a text last year! A text! They could hardly turn him down at that stage, could they?

Prefab Sprouter · 30-04-2015 08:25AM

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

I think we can make that pronouncement now to be honest, without that last shred of evidence.

They're positively "Raideresque", mind you at least Al used to covet speed above all else. However bad that rationale was, its more than the Browns front office possess!

Realt Dearg Sec · 30-04-2015 08:37AM

Prefab Sprouter wrote: »

They're positively "Raideresque", mind you at least Al used to covet speed above all else. However bad that rationale was, its more than the Browns front office possess!

The browns covet bad quarterbacks above all else.

Paully D · 30-04-2015 08:38AM

The thing with that Titans/Browns potential trade is that the Titans GM has said there's only 15 or 16 players in this draft with a first round grade. So essentially #19 is a 2nd round pick for them based on their board.

Poor Mariota if he gets drafted there though. They'll ruin him.

Knex* · 30-04-2015 08:42AM

Went reading the reddit thread on the potential Browns trade, and my Jesus, found a link to this absolute gem of a comment.

Guy goes on one hell of an epic rage analysis of the Browns QB history.

Same poster is in the original thread going on more rants about how incompetent the Browns FO is. Its absolutely glorious! :pac:

Paully D · 30-04-2015 08:53AM

Mayock's final mock is out. Thanks to 'thehbrwhammer' on Reddit who I've just copied and pasted this from:

TB - Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State
TEN - Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon
JAX - Dante Fowler Jr, DE, Florida
OAK - Amari Cooper, WR, Alabama
WAS - Leonard Williams, DT/DE, Southern California
NYJ - Kevin White, WR, West Virginia
CHI - Trae Waynes, CB, Michigan State
ATL - Bud Dupree, DE, Kentucky
NYG - Brandon Scherff, G/T, Iowa
STL - Ereck Flowers, T, Miami
MIN - DeVante Parker, WR, Louisville
CLE - Danny Shelton, NT, Washington
NO - Vic Beasley, LB, Clemson
MIA - Kevin Johnson, CB, Wake Forest
SF - Arik Armstead, DE, Oregon
HOU - Breshaud Perriman, WR, Central Florida
SD - Todd Gurley, RB, Georgia
KC - Cameron Erving, C, Florida State
CLE (from Buffalo - Sammy Watkins trade) - Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin
PHI - Damarious Randall, FS, Arizona State
CIN - Malcom Brown, DT, Texas
PIT - Byron Jones, CB/S, Connecticut
DET - Andrus Peat, T, Stanford
ARI - D,J. Humphries, T, Florida
CAR - T.J. Clemmings, T, Pittsburgh
BAL - Marcus Peters, CB, Washington
DAL - Landon Collins, S, Alabama
DEN - Jake Fisher, T, Oregon
IND - Cedric Ogbuehi, T, Texas A&M
GB - Denzel Perryman, LB, Miami
NO (from Seattle - Jimmy Graham trade) - Dorial Green-Beckham, WR, Missouri/Oklahoma
NE - Randy Gregory, DE, Nebraska

Analysis from Mayock on each selection from NFL.com:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/mock-drafts/mike-mayock/270801

HigginsJ · 30-04-2015 08:58AM

:rolleyes: Oh good Brandon Scherff.

Knex* · 30-04-2015 08:58AM

Everybody, and I mean everybody, is giving Giants Scherff. Think even Justin Pugh was talking about him in his last media outing.

I honestly don't know what to make of it. I suppose it fills a need, and if Giants don't trade back, and I can see why they go for him.

Paully D · 30-04-2015 09:01AM

Knex. wrote: »

Everybody, and I mean everybody, is giving Giants Scherff. Think even Justin Pugh was talking about him in his last media outing.

I honestly don't know what to make of it. I suppose it fills a need, and if Giants don't trade back, and I can see why they go for him.

Andrus Peat for me.

Higgins and Knex, who are your ideal picks for the Giants in the 1st?

HigginsJ · 30-04-2015 09:06AM

Paully D wrote: »

Andrus Peat for me.

Higgins and Knex, who are your ideal picks for the Giants in the 1st?

I love Ereck Flowers. He is a guaranteed hit as an OG but has potential to be the best LT in football. Obviously Williams or Fowler would be the dream but they should be long gone and we are very unlikely to trade up. Outside of that I wouldn't have an issue with Danny Shelton as he should make the job alot easier for our mediocre LB corp. If we go o-line and don't take Flowers I wouldn't mind Peat as the alternative.

I know Knex has a feeling that Cooper or White will be on the board and that we would have the option to trade back.

Knex* · 30-04-2015 09:29AM

Yeah, I'm hoping we get the option to trade back. I think this year there's not a whole bunch of talent jumping out to me in areas where we need it, but then positions like DE, LB, and even OL, there's value to be had in the 2nd. You can still get an impact player at the end of the first too, of a similar quality to what we would have available and suitable at 9, imo.

Shelton I would be happy with, if we don't trade down.

30-04-2015 09:31AM

not sure if id believe it or not but apparently the cowboys are interested in benardrick mckinny as and end :eek:

30-04-2015 09:33AM

Knex. wrote: »

Everybody, and I mean everybody, is giving Giants Scherff. Think even Justin Pugh was talking about him in his last media outing.

I honestly don't know what to make of it. I suppose it fills a need, and if Giants don't trade back, and I can see why they go for him.

i really dont want him to the giants if that team solidifies the o-line thats a serious offence and his floor seems pretty high.

also the giants selecting 0-line or d-line scares me in general seems to be what all your recent success has been build around

Knex* · 30-04-2015 09:48AM

Mathew Red Climber wrote: »

i really dont want him to the giants if that team solidifies the o-line thats a serious offence and his floor seems pretty high.

also the giants selecting 0-line or d-line scares me in general seems to be what all your recent success has been build around

Its definitely two areas we need to concentrate on improving, that's for sure. Probably priorities aside from Safety.

I just worry about using the 9th overall pick on a guy who can only play Guard.

30-04-2015 09:55AM

Knex. wrote: »

Its definitely two areas we need to concentrate on improving, that's for sure. Probably priorities aside from Safety.

I just worry about using the 9th overall pick on a guy who can only play Guard.

ya i feel like he's being a tad overrated due to what zach martin did last year who would you go for at 9 yourself? and who do you feel the giants fo will go for?

kennyb3 · 30-04-2015 09:57AM

If we take Waynes at 7 I'll be smashing the tv screen

Knex* · 30-04-2015 10:02AM

Mathew Red Climber wrote: »

ya i feel like he's being a tad overrated due to what zach martin did last year who would you go for at 9 yourself? and who do you feel the giants fo will go for?

I'm honestly hoping we can work a trade and come down a few spots. Had hoped Browns would trade either 12 or 19 with us, and then I'd feel more comfortable with taking Scherff. We might still have the option to trade if someone like White is still on the board at 9, and I think we'd get great value then if that does happen. Dream scenario though.

Shelton I think would be a good fit for us, although he keeps talking about 3-4 defences, and has also talked about the Bears. Nothing about Giants, not that that really matters, I suppose.

Be very interesting to see what defensive ends are still about when we pick as well. Wonder the value Giants place on Gregory, at the moment, and if they'd be willing to pull the trigger then. But once again, he's someone I can see being around if we did trade down a couple of spots, and also, you could have Shane Ray on the board when Giants go again at 40.

So yeah, I'm all for drafting more draft picks with our 9th

Realt Dearg Sec · 30-04-2015 10:09AM

But the talk out of loads of teams picking early is of looking to trade down, how ideal that would be. The reason they want to do it is because they don't see much value, so it's hard to see why any team would want to trade up to seven, or nine. Doesn't mean it wont happen, especially if mariota drops, but if someone wanted to trade up for him they'd go higher than seven to do it.

BKWDR · 30-04-2015 11:30AM

what time does the draft kick off tonight?

nasty_crash · 30-04-2015 11:30AM

wouldnt be surprised if neither white or cooper didnt go in the top 4 - winston, mariota, folwer, williams - if that happens you might see some teams scramble to move up - thats when those teams open to trade would be in play

davegrohl48 · 30-04-2015 11:31AM

I am puzzled by one thing this year. As I look at it from a high level comparing the top two projected QBs.
Marcus Mariota has higher pass completion, lower interceptions and is more athletic. The combination of all three gives at least some level of confidence in his NFL potential.
Jameis Winston has a better W - L record but is significantly lower than Mariota in those three areas. So is it simply Winstons superior W - L record that has him projected as possible no. 1? Surely this is in part the contribution of his team rather than his quarter back value in that W - L record?
Many of his interceptions the receiver was closed early i.e. I'd be suprised at NFL level to see quarter back stick with the option and throw the ball. You don't throw the ball into heavy coverage unless you have a tall receiver you are confident can win it contested.

paulie21 · 30-04-2015 11:31AM

BKWDR wrote: »

what time does the draft kick off tonight?

1AM

kennyb3 · 30-04-2015 11:32AM

paulie21 wrote: »

1AM

We should just have a thread on saying draft starts at 1am ,coverage at 12 and be done with it!

nasty_crash · 30-04-2015 11:32AM

on sky at 12 - think it starts at 1

BKWDR · 30-04-2015 11:33AM

Sorry if it's asked every other minute, i did try the first post but it wasnt in it, maybe that could be edited to include times etc.

tally ho

kennyb3 · 30-04-2015 11:33AM

davegrohl48 wrote: »

I am puzzled by one thing this year. As I look at it from a high level comparing the top two projected QBs.
Marcus Mariota has higher pass completion, lower interceptions and is more athletic. The combination of all three gives at least some level of confidence in his NFL potential.
Jameis Winston has a better W - L record but is significantly lower than Mariota in those three areas. So is it simply Winstons superior W - L record that has him projected as possible no. 1? Surely this is in part the contribution of his team rather than his quarter back value in that W - L record?
Many of his interceptions the receiver was closed early i.e. I'd be suprised at NFL level to see quarter back stick with the option and throw the ball. You don't throw the ball into heavy coverage unless you have a tall receiver you are confident can win it contested.

One played under centre and went though progressions, one didn't (not fully anyway) to put it very short and sweetly.

nasty_crash · 30-04-2015 11:34AM

davegrohl48 wrote: »

I am puzzled by one thing this year. As I look at it from a high level comparing the top two projected QBs.
Marcus Mariota has higher pass completion, lower interceptions and is more athletic. The combination of all three gives at least some level of confidence in his NFL potential.
Jameis Winston has a better W - L record but is significantly lower than Mariota in those three areas. So is it simply Winstons superior W - L record that has him projected as possible no. 1? Surely this is in part the contribution of his team rather than his quarter back value in that W - L record?
Many of his interceptions the receiver was closed early i.e. I'd be suprised at NFL level to see quarter back stick with the option and throw the ball. You don't throw the ball into heavy coverage unless you have a tall receiver you are confident can win it contested.

Think Winston is a stand in the pocket and deep passer more than mariota - mariota wants to do a lot more option plays and has the speed etc for it - tampa have evans - jackson - jenkins(i think - 2nd round pick last year) as wrs so they want to air the ball out to these guys! Thats why he is gonna go 1

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