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Sam Kade · 29-04-2015 09:48PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Tried it last year and worked but no where near as good as the megafat is this year.last fat result 3.95

Where can you get megafat? My last bf result was 3.53.

jaymla627 · 29-04-2015 09:49PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Tried it last year and worked but no where near as good as the megafat is this year.last fat result 3.95

Does it take long to kick in got it added to last load of nuts using it 7 days and bf still sitting at 3.5

Greengrass1 · 29-04-2015 09:50PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Does it take long to kick in got it added to last load of nuts using it 7 days and bf still sitting at 3.5

Our bf jumped from 4 06 to 4.74. Dunno how tbh

degetme · 29-04-2015 09:53PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Tried it last year and worked but no where near as good as the megafat is this year.last fat result 3.95

Was told it was very expensive stuff. Maybe Miller didn't have it. More soya hulls going in
Now. Would that help more than a maize based nut?

degetme · 29-04-2015 09:57PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Our bf jumped from 4 06 to 4.74. Dunno how tbh

Is it all those autumn calving cows green grass? It must help your constituents

mahoney_j · 29-04-2015 10:03PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Does it take long to kick in got it added to last load of nuts using it 7 days and bf still sitting at 3.5

A week to 10 days,dung thickend up a lot too

mahoney_j · 29-04-2015 10:04PM

Sam Kade wrote: »

Where can you get megafat? My last bf result was 3.53.

Volac ask your mill /nutritionist

mahoney_j · 29-04-2015 10:06PM

degetme wrote: »

Was told it was very expensive stuff. Maybe Miller didn't have it. More soya hulls going in
Now. Would that help more than a maize based nut?

4 kg per tonne costs 25 per tonne.dear but it's doing the trick

Greengrass1 · 29-04-2015 10:27PM

degetme wrote: »

Is it all those autumn calving cows green grass? It must help your constituents

Maybe but why the big jump in 2 days

orm0nd · 29-04-2015 11:01PM

degetme wrote: »

Got acid buff added to meal there for five euro a tonne.Tis worth a go to see will it improve bfat constituents.

mahoney_j wrote: »

Tried it last year and worked but no where near as good as the megafat is this year.last fat result 3.95

used it last year with fairly good results, using again this year, thickens the dung ok but b/f still low (3.6)

cows wern't really eating the nuts as we use sheep to mop out the paddocks so the cows were always stuffed

since the change in the weather I have tightened them up grass wise to make them eat meal , to get cal mag in

will see does it make any difference

frazzledhome · 29-04-2015 11:41PM

Here it's grass and 2 kg 12% nut with calmag 3kg for last few cold days.
Cows doing 29 litres
Heifers doing 26 litres
Bfat 4.03
Pro 3.70
Urea 20
Don't know what the fuss is about

degetme · 30-04-2015 06:36AM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Here it's grass and 2 kg 12% nut with calmag 3kg for last few cold days.
Cows doing 29 litres
Heifers doing 26 litres
Bfat 4.03
Pro 3.70
Urea 20
Don't know what the fuss is about

That's serious going. It would make you me seriously think about using the black and white with a jersey straw.

mahoney_j · 30-04-2015 09:16AM

degetme wrote: »

That's serious going. It would make you me seriously think about using the black and white with a jersey straw.

Absolutely no doubt ,serious performance both yield and solid wise but frazzled has the big block of land and the ideal cow for it .limited parlour acres mean a different story,basics stay same grow and utilise max grass and convert it to milk solids but we also need the Ltrs.a smaller margin on a bigger pool of milk eg 10 cent margin on 750 k Ltrs is still more than 12 cent on 500 k

frazzledhome · 30-04-2015 12:28PM

mahoney_j wrote:

Absolutely no doubt ,serious performance both yield and solid wise but frazzled has the big block of land and the ideal cow for it .limited parlour acres mean a different story,basics stay same grow and utilise max grass and convert it to milk solids but we also need the Ltrs.a smaller margin on a bigger pool of milk eg 10 cent margin on 750 k Ltrs is still more than 12 cent on 500 k

You forgot to say "bloody good cows"

jack o shea · 30-04-2015 12:52PM

what are lads paying for 18% nut?

Timmaay · 30-04-2015 01:01PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Absolutely no doubt ,serious performance both yield and solid wise but frazzled has the big block of land and the ideal cow for it .limited parlour acres mean a different story,basics stay same grow and utilise max grass and convert it to milk solids but we also need the Ltrs.a smaller margin on a bigger pool of milk eg 10 cent margin on 750 k Ltrs is still more than 12 cent on 500 k

Frazzes cows are doing 30l, I think 500kl against 750 for same number of HOs is selling him short, more like 650kl against 750, and a decent bit less work/tlc etc etc required. The jex/NZx well suited to us small boys also.

whelan2 · 30-04-2015 01:10PM

jack o shea wrote: »

what are lads paying for 18% nut?

18% might be a bit high in pr for this time of year, using a 16 here at the minute and will get a 14% next time

leg wax · 30-04-2015 01:16PM

whats the protein in grass at the moment ,17% or so, what are your thoughts on keeping the ration at the same.

frazzledhome · 30-04-2015 01:20PM

degetme wrote: »

That's serious going. It would make you me seriously think about using the black and white with a jersey straw.

Very difficult to get any really good Je straws, gene pool too limited. We've used no Je for 4 yrs now. We now use Kiwi cross. You get daughter proven stock that do exactly what it says on the tin

mahoney_j · 30-04-2015 01:36PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Frazzes cows are doing 30l, I think 500kl against 750 for same number of HOs is selling him short, more like 650kl against 750, and a decent bit less work/tlc etc etc required. The jex/NZx well suited to us small boys also.

Tbf he is the exception,most x herds I know are in the 4500 to 5500 ltr range.not many x bred herds have the same performance .im in the small herd brigade with average milk block and nothing will beat a hol fr on it.i have Ltrs ,solids and fertility in spring milk.

mahoney_j · 30-04-2015 01:38PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

You forgot to say "bloody good cows"

Ideal cow ,close enough!!!

frazzledhome · 30-04-2015 01:41PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Ideal cow ,close enough!!!

You just can't say it, can you?:):):):):)

Milked out · 30-04-2015 01:41PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

Very difficult to get any really good Je straws, gene pool too limited. We've used no Je for 4 yrs now. We now use Kiwi cross. You get daughter proven stock that do exactly what it says on the tin

did you have a herd of high yielding hol back in the day frazz? Do you think that as they were the starting point so to speak that you have now a relatively high yielding xbred herd? Or can they be achieved without the high yielding hol base? Management playing no small part in those figures of yours id guess also, raising the average figures like that is what we all should aim for.

mahoney_j · 30-04-2015 01:43PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

You just can't say it, can you?:):):):):)

How dose fantastic sound.....

Greengrass1 · 30-04-2015 01:43PM

Milked out wrote: »

did you have a herd of high yielding hol back in the day frazz? Do you think that as they were the starting point so to speak that you have now a relatively high yielding xbred herd? Or can they be achieved without the high yielding hol base? Management playing no small part in those figures of yours id guess also, raising the average figures like that is what we all should aim for.

We started with pure je the backward way. Worked out the same

Milked out · 30-04-2015 01:48PM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

We started with pure je the backward way. Worked out the same

Were they Danish jersey gg? Have thought of crossing a few cows and see how they pan out but have a little heifer here similar in size to jerseyx and by god it can be a pain in the hole with her in the parlour particularly with other heifers around her so now I'm thinking it's all in re crossbreeding or not at all

Greengrass1 · 30-04-2015 02:01PM

Milked out wrote: »

Were they Danish jersey gg? Have thought of crossing a few cows and see how they pan out but have a little heifer here similar in size to jerseyx and by god it can be a pain in the hole with her in the parlour particularly with other heifers around her so now I'm thinking it's all in re crossbreeding or not at all

Think so. I was only a chap when dad started it.
but yeah I've a je heifers this yr. Lovely quite girl but if she was fiesty I'd have trouble controlling her in the parlour

That's a second calver hol. I'll sell here as soon as I have surplus milkers biggest cow in herd and only a second calver

frazzledhome · 30-04-2015 02:03PM

Milked out wrote: »

Were they Danish jersey gg? Have thought of crossing a few cows and see how they pan out but have a little heifer here similar in size to jerseyx and by god it can be a pain in the hole with her in the parlour particularly with other heifers around her so now I'm thinking it's all in re crossbreeding or not at all

What ever you do don't touch those Danish or American Je. All you'l get is a rat of a brown cow that'll milk herself to death with all the associated problems of the Hol. I'd stay with Hol before I'd touch them again

You're asking about our base herd. At this stage it's a mix and match. If I were xbreeding I'd go direct to Kiwi and let some one in NZ have the small cows.

Timmaay · 30-04-2015 02:08PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Tbf he is the exception,most x herds I know are in the 4500 to 5500 ltr range.not many x bred herds have the same performance .im in the small herd brigade with average milk block and nothing will beat a hol fr on it.i have Ltrs ,solids and fertility in spring milk.

Yours and stans HOs are exceptional also ha. I know for me moving forward, 120 ish cows with the one full time labour unit, I could stick with a pure HO but high solids 1/2 or 1/4 jex like npy are what I'm using a decent bit of this yr, extremely good solids without too much milk.

Milked out · 30-04-2015 02:16PM

frazzledhome wrote: »

What ever you do don't touch those Danish or American Je. All you'l get is a rat of a brown cow that'll milk herself to death with all the associated problems of the Hol. I'd stay with Hol before I'd touch them again

You're asking about our base herd. At this stage it's a mix and match. If I were xbreeding I'd go direct to Kiwi and let some one in NZ have the small cows.

Tbh frazz id be thinking different ways on the same subjects everyday! I have a lot to do in terms of my own setup and my own performance before I go changing cows thinking I'll solve all issues just interested in how they are doing and options going forward.

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