Yet another death happens in police custody: Freddy Gray

Junkyard Tom · 29-04-2015 12:04AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

When all else fails go on a tangent, Data has been presented do people have data to refute it ?

The data is deliberately cobbled together to arrive at an already decided upon stance about crime and race. The fact that race is even a variable in crime statistics is flawed - cross referencing race and crime as the only two variables is deeply flawed bordering on stupid.

Consider this. When these statistics are cited it is convictions that are being measured rather than crime rates. Afaia a black person is much more likely to be stopped-and-searched so the number of black people apprehended for possession of drugs/knives/guns etc is going to be dramatically higher.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Cold War Kid · 29-04-2015 12:04AM

Presume that intends to read "crime rate throughout Appalachia is about two-thirds that of the national average".
Crime patterns in an extremely rural, sparsely populated area with proportionately far more churches and prisons - is this comparable to crime patterns in densely populated metropoli?

Anyway, I don't know why stats reflect more crime among black folk. Death in police custody is not the answer though.

darkpagandeath · 29-04-2015 12:07AM

Junkyard Cat wrote: »

The data is deliberately cobbled together to arrive at an already decided upon stance about crime and race. The fact that race is even a variable in crime statistics is flawed - cross referencing race and crime as the only two variables is deeply flawed bordering on stupid.

Consider this. When these statistics are cited it is convictions that are being measured rather than crime rates. Afaia a black person is much more likely to be stopped-and-searched so the number of black people apprehended for possession of drugs/knives/guns etc is going to be dramatically higher.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

So we are back to ignoring the Murder rates violent crime stats ?

MadYaker · 29-04-2015 12:08AM

I don't see how smashing up their city and ruining the lives of small business owners is going to help the situation?

Cold War Kid · 29-04-2015 12:11AM

MadYaker wrote: »

I don't see how smashing up their city and ruining the lives of small business owners is going to help the situation?

Yep, no arguments there.

Amazingfun · 29-04-2015 12:11AM

The Cat hasn't explained the reason the stats are similar in the Uk. I am guessing the answer just must be "cuz evil horrible black-hating white people persecute the innocent there too" but I'd like to hear it from him/her?

Junkyard Tom · 29-04-2015 12:12AM

MathDebater wrote: »

Are you denying that there are more whites(18.9 million) in poverty than black(10.9 million).

Nope. I'm saying the arithmetic is essentially worthless. Here's what is more important:

In 2010, 27.4 percent of blacks and 26.6 percent of Hispanics were poor, compared to 9.9 percent of non-Hispanic whites

.npc.umich.edu

So Black people and Hispanics are nearly three times as likely to be poor as white people.

Why do you think that is?

MathDebater · 29-04-2015 12:13AM

Junkyard Cat wrote: »

Consider this. When these statistics are cited it is convictions that are being measured rather than crime rates. Afaia a black person is much more likely to be stopped-and-searched so the number of black people apprehended for possession of drugs/knives/guns etc is going to be dramatically higher.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Ok, then explain the murder stats.

Blacks commit 53% of all murder, despite being only 13% of the population - http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43

Blacks make up 56.2% of all serial killers - http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Serial%20Killer%20Information%20Center/Serial%20Killer%20Statistics.pdf

Young black men are fourteen times more likely to kill, when compared to young white men - http://ideas.time.com/2013/08/22/viewpoint-dont-ignore-race-in-christopher-lanes-murder/#ixzz2ciWBxj00

Blacks accounted for 42% of all cop killers - http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43

This all due to them being more likely to be stopped and searched?

InTheTrees · 29-04-2015 12:15AM

MadYaker wrote: »

I don't see how smashing up their city and ruining the lives of small business owners is going to help the situation?

Because as in saint Louis county the (federal) justice department only became involved once the rioting began.

MathDebater · 29-04-2015 12:19AM

InTheTrees wrote: »

Because as in saint Louis county the (federal) justice department only became involved once the rioting began.

The mayor of Baltimore decided to give them an 'area to destroy' before the protests and rioting even began.

Junkyard Tom · 29-04-2015 12:19AM

Amazingfun wrote: »

The Cat hasn't explained the reason the stats are similar in the Uk.

I was asking why they are they way they are. If it is indeed true that black people are more likely to end up in the criminal justice system why is that?

Educate me.

crockholm · 29-04-2015 12:20AM

Cold War Kid wrote: »

Presume that intends to read "crime rate throughout Appalachia is about two-thirds that of the national average".
Crime patterns in an extremely rural, sparsely populated area with proportionately far more churches and prisons - is this comparable to crime patterns in densely populated metropoli?

Anyway, I don't know why stats reflect more crime among black folk. Death in police custody is not the answer though.

Sorry kid,but you have obviously never spent any time in any Black American area.The first most noticable thing is the amount of churches-usually with names like "testify in god,baptist Church" or "first Tabernacle of Jehova Church of Christ in God".
Churches,Nail and hair salons,fried fish and chicken joints,cell phone/pawn shop. That right there is the legit ghetto economy.

And as long as Young black people keep burning and looting then it's going to remain a desolate Place.No-one in their right mind is going to invest so dearly in something just to Watch it burn,because of some dead drug dealer.

osarusan · 29-04-2015 12:21AM

MathDebater wrote: »

Blacks accounted for 42% of all cop killers

?

I cant find that one. Which column is it, or is it on a different page?

InTheTrees · 29-04-2015 12:24AM

crockholm wrote: »

And as long as Young black people keep burning and looting then it's going to remain a desolate Place.No-one in their right mind is going to invest so dearly in something just to Watch it burn,because of some dead drug dealer.

There's plenty of run down impoverished inner city ghettoes with minority inhabitants that haven't ever rioted and are still suffering.

Junkyard Tom · 29-04-2015 12:26AM

MathDebater wrote: »

Ok, then explain the murder stats.

Blacks commit 53% of all murder, despite being only 13% of the population - http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43

I'm guessing being members of violent gangs, easy access to guns, turf wars, and drug related violence has something to do with. Should you not be comparing the murder rate of white people versus black people who are in violent gangs? Should you not be asking why black people are more likely to end up in gangs?

You have quite the portfolio of statistics to hand. Is this a hobby of yours?

crockholm · 29-04-2015 12:27AM

InTheTrees wrote: »

There's plenty of run down impoverished inner city ghettoes with minority inhabitants that haven't ever rioted and are still suffering.

Like where exactly?

Amazingfun · 29-04-2015 12:27AM

Junkyard Cat wrote: »

I was asking why they are they way they are. If it is indeed true that black people are more likely to end up in the criminal justice system why is that?

Educate me.

:rolleyes:

Amazingfun · 29-04-2015 12:30AM

Junkyard Cat wrote: »

I
You have quite the portfolio of statistics to hand. Is this a hobby of yours?

Your disdain for the FBI crime stats has been noted, but mocking someone for being well informed is a bit......strange.

darkpagandeath · 29-04-2015 12:33AM

Amazingfun wrote: »

Your disdain for the FBI crime stats has been noted, but mocking someone for being well informed is a bit......strange.

SJW bane is Actual un biased stats. Then they start using emotive nonsense.

Junkyard Tom · 29-04-2015 12:36AM

Amazingfun wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Great point. Can you pull any other silly faces?

Amazingfun wrote: »

Your disdain for the FBI crime stats has been noted

The statistics he's pulling together have very tenuous correlations and do nothing at all to further an understanding of what's happening. I see my questions on why these statistics are the way they are (prima facie) have been completely avoided.

Maybe you could help me. Why are black people more likely to be involved in the criminal justice system?

Amazingfun · 29-04-2015 12:41AM

Junkyard Cat wrote: »

Great point. Can you pull any other silly faces?

The statistics he's pulling together have very tenuous correlations and do nothing at all to further an understanding of what's happening. I see my questions on why these statistics are the way they are (prima facie) have been completely avoided.

Maybe you could help me. Why are black people more likely to be involved in the criminal justice system?

Your act is getting old. You were on your big soapbox for most your contributions to the thread, letting us all know how wrong and misleading the FBI stats are.....and now you're suddenly so naive and innocent asking for instruction and education from people you clearly despise . So I'll pass on this wondrous "opportunity", fun as it might be, but thanks for the entertainment

Hans Bricks · 29-04-2015 12:43AM

DocQismyJesus wrote: »

Don't actually dislike anyone just cowards like yourself who wouldn't have the balls to say your garbage in public and hide behind their computer while intermittently jerking off to porn tubes

Yeah you sound like an angsty sixteen year old. Maybe you should return to inner city America and vent some of that white guilt you seem to be burdening yourself with.

Junkyard Cat wrote: »

The statistics he's pulling together have very tenuous correlations and do nothing at all to further an understanding of what's happening. I see my questions on why these statistics are the way they are (prima facie) have been completely avoided.

Maybe you could help me. Why are black people more likely to be involved in the criminal justice system?

Proportionately higher levels of poverty of overall demographic. Why does the ethnic makeup of convicted and serving felons/prisoners matter ? Black, white, brown, native american, they're all serving time for the same reasons.

A few simple statistics have been provided outlining murder and poverty rates in the USA, how does this allude to rampant racism ?

InTheTrees · 29-04-2015 12:44AM

crockholm wrote: »

Like where exactly?

Detroit, DC, Oakland, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Birmingham, etc etc.

meepins · 29-04-2015 12:47AM

InTheTrees wrote: »

Detroit

wrong

Amazingfun · 29-04-2015 12:49AM

meepins wrote: »

wrong

They are all wrong!

InTheTrees · 29-04-2015 12:50AM

meepins wrote: »

wrong

So lets throw in east saint Louis to make up for it.

And add Minneapolis, Jacksonville and Boston.

MadYaker · 29-04-2015 12:51AM

Poverty breeds crime, that's what it boils down too.

Why the african american community as a whole don't seem to able to pull themselves out of this cycle is another question entirely. I don't know the answer to that but I suspect it's more than just "the evil white man keeping them down".

InTheTrees · 29-04-2015 12:52AM

Amazingfun wrote: »

They are all wrong!

How? They've all rioted or there are no poor inner city communities there?

??

osarusan · 29-04-2015 12:53AM

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/leoka/2013/officers-feloniously-killed/felonious_topic_page_-2013

Of the people who killed police officers, 15 were white, 11 were black, and in 2 cases, race was not reported.

darkpagandeath · 29-04-2015 12:55AM

MadYaker wrote: »

Poverty breeds crime, that's what it boils down too.

Why the african american community as a whole don't seem to able to pull themselves out of this cycle is another question entirely. I don't know the answer to that but I suspect it's more than just "the evil white man keeping them down".

Well there is a lot of begrudging and racism towards their fellow man in regards to success it's seen as being under the man and all that. Attitudes need to change. Or inferences of acting white and all that is quite odd.

Yet another death happens in police custody: Freddy Gray

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