Cork GAA Discussion Thread

thinkstoomuch1 · 28-04-2015 10:50AM

wackokid wrote: »

Excellent stuff 'Kilmac14', and very readable.
The one element you omitted while explaining Cork footballers lack of success is the number of other sports that flourish in this huge county. There are many many sporting people in Cork who couldn't care less if the footballers disappeared off the face of the earth. It's a religion in Kerry, and nearly all the Ulster counties. Throw in Mayo and Donegal and Dublin's huge pick and there's the answer. Cork will of course come up with an exceptional bunch every 20 years and with a good gollop of luck might win the cup.
Well done to you. Great post. A breath of fresh air and badly needed here.

Well what do you think of kevin and colm o driscoll performance
Now would you agree they can't attack with ball and did McCaffrey nor get man of the match as you told us o driscoll would stop him
Now nothing against him before you say the usual but he couldn't even do the job he was asked to do

You have numerous times told some fans that driscoll got unfair views surely you see our points now there fine club players but bar Brian not good enough for the game cork has to play
Most can see this after Sunday

thinkstoomuch1 · 28-04-2015 10:54AM

wackokid wrote: »

I'm amazed that John Hayes isn't starting, but I suppose Cubby and Co. realise that his impact when introduced late is a game changer. Himself and the two O Driscoll brothers have more football acumen in their small toes than most. The modern game requires players that don't make silly mistakes and give the ball away.
Loughrey I don't rate. Cannot tackle, positioning is very poor and hard to understand how he walked on to this Cork team and plays every game.
We have to have Cadogan in MF now and in any case he gave away far too many tap over frees when he was in the backs. He has done well at MF and his foot passing is top notch. The inside forwards will attest to that.
Those on here who turn up their noses at Colm O Driscoll's ability should watch how he quitens Jack McCaffrey next Sunday. There's more to half forward play these days than kicking an odd flashy point.
Hope this opinion isn't too long.

I didn't reply to that as no point in i said look after Sunday he'll see the light

Everything you said you were wrong unfortunately bar loughrey however he was played out of position

Kevin o driscoll tactical acumen, did he or did he not kick a ball straight out over the sideline

Fine club player not close to a senior elite intercounty player though
There's a difference
Hopefully you won't think we turn up our nose going forward but simply just calling it as is

CORKDOUBLE · 28-04-2015 10:56AM

Look at todays Examiner and the details of sundays game ...its time to get real this management have no idea they are out of there depth ...its downhill all the way since they came in ....its time to stop ....Cuthbert and co should resign for the sake of Cork football .

thinkstoomuch1 · 28-04-2015 11:00AM

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

Look at todays Examiner and the details of sundays game ...its time to get real this management have no idea they are out of there depth ...its downhill all the way since they came in ....its time to stop ....Cuthbert and co should resign for the sake of Cork football .

Stats are shockingly and three ex players didn't question cork management
Seriously these guys are over the teams surely to god they can be questioned

I totally agree with you

Did you read kavanagh Allen and Barry

thinkstoomuch1 · 28-04-2015 11:08AM

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/brian-cuthberts-cork-have-serious-issues-to-tackle-327424.html

Awful reading but true and great point about cork half backs running at Dublin and being turnover
This was always going to be the case and I flagged this last week cork would run in to contact as unlike kerrys and donegal we cant kick pass angles varied ball as two half forwards can't do it

Kevin o driscoll one cork most possession here as lot were short but some wait for it will forget to anyalsing all he game

Dublin destroyed cork in second gear

thinkstoomuch1 · 28-04-2015 11:10AM

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/cork-can-answer-critics-insists-dave-barry-327409.html

thinkstoomuch1 · 28-04-2015 11:16AM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

The Cork Senior Football team is named as follows:

1. Ken O’Halloran (Bishopstown)
2. Tom Clancy (Clonakilty)
3. Michael Shields (St. Finbarr’s)
4. James Loughrey (Mallow)
5. Jamie O’Sullivan (Bishopstown)
6. Conor Dorman (Bishopstown)
7. Tomás Clancy (Fermoy)
8. Eoin Cadogan (Douglas)
9. Fintan Goold (Macroom)
10. Kevin O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh)
11. John O’Rourke (Carbery Rangers)
12. Colm O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh)
13. Colm O’Neill (Ballyclough)
14. Mark Collins (Castlehaven)
15. Brian Hurley (Castlehaven)
Subs:
16. Paddy O’Shea (St. Vincent’s)
17. Stephen O’Donoghue (Ballincollig)
18. Noel Galvin (Ballincollig)
19. Stephen Cronin (Nemo Rangers)
20. Brian O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCarthaigh)
21. Daniel Goulding (Éire Óg)
22. Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers)
23. Donal Óg Hodnett (O’Donovan Rossa)
24. John Hayes (Carbery Rangers)
25. Barry O’Driscoll (Nemo Rangers)
Unavailable for selection due to injury: Ian Maguire, Ruairi Deane, Donncha O’Connor and Patrick Kelly.
Selectors: Brian Cuthbert (Bishopstown) - Manager, Owen Sexton, Kilbrittain, Ciaran O’Sullivan (Urhan), Don Davis (O’Donovan Rossa), Ronan McCarthy (Douglas).
Medical Officer: Dr. Con Murphy (U.C.C.) Physiotherapist: Colin Lane.

}

Real real test Sunday of cork full back line with two corner backs half backs
Non existent midfield imo in what required
A half forward line with two work horses who can't score or create
O rourke the exception
A bench that thankfully at last has two corner backs who are natural backs but why aren't they starting
O driscoll was meant be injured if not then still must surely be not fit as gene already have given out over six games three days so why oh why is on bench Sunday
Clearly needs a rest
What happens if black card early he's used

We have zero absolutely zero midfield cover for Sunday

We have o driscoll and Hayes hardly game changers to keep Jim gavin awake at night
If Dublin wanted to win picked strong team I am worried for Sunday
Fitzmauirce once said in article examiner four years ago defence wins championship games and offence wins games
Offence imo won cork league games but if Dublin treat Sunday like championship cork awful awful truly ponderous blanket so called defence leaked 7-109 in eight games were in trouble against Dublin team conceded just two seventy eight
I hope and want cork win but I'm worried for Sunday as Dublin defence is good while still in transition yet ours is awful and doesn't come close blanket imo

My post Thursday night so it certainly is imo no over reaction on my part with negative views now when exactly everything I feared came through which proves cork concerns were clear as day to see but again our management ignored the obvious and that's my point cork issues are clear to see but ignores time after time so management deserves on field play to be questioned and we have seen nothing in the year and half to say they learn from mistakes and brolly is right and unlike cork pundit call it as is cork havent a hope I'm championship and Barry saying he wrote off kerry they came back well dave kerry had not been humiliating defeat Dublin year before and had proven cian o Neill and astute Fitzmauirce to reinvented kerry and kerry had best defence in the league then last year but cork have the WORST in top division

slingerz · 28-04-2015 11:50AM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Stats are shockingly and three ex players didn't question cork management
Seriously these guys are over the teams surely to god they can be questioned

I totally agree with you

Did you read kavanagh Allen and Barry

Theres so much more to it than management.

The players need to accept that they didnt perform and take a great deal of responsibilty for it.

Tactics certainly play a part but heart, determination and hard work are not tactical instructions. If the players brought that to the game, along with their footballing abilites that we are all aware of then it would be fair enough to lay all of the blame squarely with the management.

After the game the last day its 50/50 blame wise for me

thinkstoomuch1 · 28-04-2015 12:00PM

A point was made regards cork weak defensive structure at under age

Now I'll disregard the minor footballers as they had poor coaches but take the under twenty one in munster the last nine games over three years cork approx conceded around 11-89

Now everyone knows under twenty one is more open football than senior with no blankets some games yet nine league cork Conceded 8-130 around for senior development team unlike under age who are in development so it's clear as day cork senior defence is absolutely woeful and again since minor and two years in charge cuthbert teams conceded huge scores

Missing key players while valid from other years still no excuse for this huge concession and likes Dublin meath a division two team even the derry this world all conceded less and every team division one less than cork bar kerry so to say that cork always conceded more under age like it's senior are not blame in like they inherited a problem is wrong in senior defence is poor. And guys like shields cadogan loughrey and galvin etc there good defenders

Cork under twenty one football the last three years were poor at full back yes but that's as cahalane was not naturally full back and no choice but play dorman last year and this year Histon was injured but big games cork most yes not all still held some shape where cork who hsve no excuse at senior in shields cadogan can play full and galvin cronin corner have options but no no no this management motto like clancy o dounoughe loughrey dorman last year is play half back full

Take last year in every group game last year league cork played six yes six different centre backs and none same six started then so no cohesion no unity no telepathic dynamic ability as a unit

This year it was more settled but dorman player most centre back when he's better wing back with a holding centre back and cork under management are picking adaptable middle eight players every defence position that like to bomb forwards and none have the instinct to actually hold the ship and keep it tight so when you actually look at cork it's actually nothing resemblance of a blanket no where near it but an all out counter attack based on defending by numbers and counter attack is based on running and over laps and most cork goals were created by hand passing this league so it's one dimension telegraphed easy predictable structure is absolutely easy to beat, hence Dublin won after ten minutes and tbh if I was playing I'd be demoralised too that the fight be drained from my play

Forget about the county structure, players missing, I'm surprised some one hasn't used Ciaran sheehan excuse yet, we're dual county, control what we can control
We had enough talent to compete Sunday and we didn't and this team has no structure and when that happens and you take an age score from play management have lot do with it

thinkstoomuch1 · 28-04-2015 12:16PM

slingerz wrote: »

Theres so much more to it than management.

The players need to accept that they didnt perform and take a great deal of responsibilty for it.

Tactics certainly play a part but heart, determination and hard work are not tactical instructions. If the players brought that to the game, along with their footballing abilites that we are all aware of then it would be fair enough to lay all of the blame squarely with the management.

After the game the last day its 50/50 blame wise for me

Fair enough your opinion but look I'm not surprised from day one you thought this management were fine, even last year all concerns at midfield you said dint be harsh best cork have, regards dualism you tried to convince management knew what they were doing, Liam shorten, Hayes driscoll etc etc are senior elite players
The one player your spot on regards outstanding Vaughan will never get much time here as unfortunately this set up carries two working half forwards

I respect your opinion totally but look your imo incorrect

I know your no fan of Clyda rovers as you once said they were poor football in cork but look their classic example and drom in limerick where have little football ability compared others yet always performance and beat other teams with more resources as the organisation dogged belief the resilience and good defence like great great castle haven all had management that got every last inch out of them

Blame the players again you do but you fail to see hard work, unity comes from management instill that
Cork ladies footballers summed it up wonderfully, no belief in current management and going round in circles
Yet demanded new manager and look what happened they built a legacy
France in rugby classic example loads talent but poor manager so don't play as a team

One sign of bad management at any level is when you see individuals playing as only individual and not team effort and that means management are not effective just look at cork under twenty one hurling the last few years

Donegal did they or did they not with ten or eleven same team win all Ireland yet humiliation to armagh two years before
Now if it's nothing to do with management or tactics why did donegal show no interest that day v armagh yet now year later won ulster and then year later won all Ireland??

Picking lads out of positions is not players fault

Look at cork v Galway under Denis Walsh another humiliation
Now tell me please a year later were contesting an all Ireland Semi final and competing
Explain the difference please
Clear as day management that simple
Ask any astute kerry fan difference between kerry minor last year and year before its they replaced the poor micky ned who's good school coach be fair with the great great jack o Connor

thinkstoomuch1 · 28-04-2015 12:37PM

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/donegals-camp-stay-takes-unity-to-another-level-30575136.html

Just another point where this set up falls below others imo

Donegal again going to Portugal actually have been

Kerry will again and Tyrone I think go abroad

Cork won't probably and possibly ul again

Nothing against ul as it's best around and if camp was used best way cork would benefit but my point is top counties going away and doing longer when cork camp last may around was a Friday to Monday

Others cycle training is five days at least and then local ones are two to three days

Our camp last year imo clear worry over intensity and I posted as much here
Cork ladies footballers had one in ul and when I heard bout it made long trip to watch them
Their organisation and intensity imo was first class in everything was at pace and intense

People blaming players need to realise management organisation training
Management pick a team
Management control dualism
Management coach a system be it attack or defence
All of these there's been mistakes made that players can't be blamed for when management hold the power of control in all these matters

Figsy32 · 28-04-2015 12:39PM

Just a few thoughts:

First, the kickouts. There's no doubting we're lacking at midfield but I really feel the lack of length in O'Halloran's kicks are compounding the problem. At this stage everybody knows he can kick the ball 50 yards at best. It's inviting a huge forward press on our kickouts and leaving no space for runs to be made for shorter kickouts. Everything is much too cramped.

The difference with other teams is that Cluxton, Durcan, Beggan, Niall Morgan can all kick the ball such a distance that the opposition cannot afford to play a total forward press or they'll be caught in behind. (See Dublin vs Donegal last year) The difference with Ken is teams like Dublin know the ball isn't going over their head and so can press up and squeeze the space. There's no 'outlet' ball.

He's also extremely hesitant and often times the delay leads to him kicking aimlessly because the outfield players have made runs and are then out of position.

To TTM's point, if it were the likes of Cluxton as you are arguing would struggle just as badly, I'd argue we'd be able to start runs from deeper, leading to more space, easier passes to pick out and more one on one kickouts rather than the 2 on 1 we seem to be facing so often recently.

He's an excellent shot stopper and keeper, and I don't want to be harsh on him but the kickouts have been a problem for a while now.

As regards midfield, I'll be honest I don't know enough about the likes of Dineen etc to know if they should be in there but at this stage they're not going to get a look in I'd imagine. That's either an indictment of the management or the lads just aren't considered good enough. People seem to have different opinions.

There's no excuse for having Cadogan in midfield though IMO. A settled full back line with himself, Shields and Galvin/Cronin would add solidity to the team that's really missing currently.

The balance in the forwards has to improve big time. I'd be in favour of a 2-2-2 type formation with Colm O'Driscoll and O'Rourke for the legs, Kelly/D O'C and Collins for the creativity and Hurley and O'Neill up top. Too often recently our attack seems to break down because there's no outlet ball into the half forward line. We need somebody there to orchestrate things.

In the middle 8 on Sunday I thought we were just completely over matched for pace, power and strength. To me, that's the big worry. Some of these guys are very young but they were bullied by Dublin.

Looking at championship, maybe something along the lines of

P O'Shea
Shields
Cadogan
Cronin/Galvin
Dorman
Clancy
O'Driscoll
Goold (reluctantly)
Maguire
Colm O'Driscoll
O'Rourke
Kelly
Collins (wearing 14)
O'Neill
Hurley

Cats fur sale · 28-04-2015 12:52PM

What was the story with the Cork lad Lorcan McLoughlan holding out his chest on the tv3 news yesterday evening?

thinkstoomuch1 · 28-04-2015 12:54PM

Figsy32 wrote: »

Just a few thoughts:

First, the kickouts. There's no doubting we're lacking at midfield but I really feel the lack of length in O'Halloran's kicks are compounding the problem. At this stage everybody knows he can kick the ball 50 yards at best. It's inviting a huge forward press on our kickouts and leaving no space for runs to be made for shorter kickouts. Everything is much too cramped.

The difference with other teams is that Cluxton, Durcan, Beggan, Niall Morgan can all kick the ball such a distance that the opposition cannot afford to play a total forward press or they'll be caught in behind. (See Dublin vs Donegal last year) The difference with Ken is teams like Dublin know the ball isn't going over their head and so can press up and squeeze the space. There's no 'outlet' ball.

He's also extremely hesitant and often times the delay leads to him kicking aimlessly because the outfield players have made runs and are then out of position.

To TTM's point, if it were the likes of Cluxton as you are arguing would struggle just as badly, I'd argue we'd be able to start runs from deeper, leading to more space, easier passes to pick out and more one on one kickouts rather than the 2 on 1 we seem to be facing so often recently.

He's an excellent shot stopper and keeper, and I don't want to be harsh on him but the kickouts have been a problem for a while now.

As regards midfield, I'll be honest I don't know enough about the likes of Dineen etc to know if they should be in there but at this stage they're not going to get a look in I'd imagine. That's either an indictment of the management or the lads just aren't considered good enough. People seem to have different opinions.

There's no excuse for having Cadogan in midfield though IMO. A settled full back line with himself, Shields and Galvin/Cronin would add solidity to the team that's really missing currently.

The balance in the forwards has to improve big time. I'd be in favour of a 2-2-2 type formation with Colm O'Driscoll and O'Rourke for the legs, Kelly/D O'C and Collins for the creativity and Hurley and O'Neill up top. Too often recently our attack seems to break down because there's no outlet ball into the half forward line. We need somebody there to orchestrate things.

In the middle 8 on Sunday I thought we were just completely over matched for pace, power and strength. To me, that's the big worry. Some of these guys are very young but they were bullied by Dublin.

Looking at championship, maybe something along the lines of

P O'Shea
Shields
Cadogan
Cronin/Galvin
Dorman
Clancy
O'Driscoll
Goold (reluctantly)
Maguire
Colm O'Driscoll
O'Rourke
Kelly
Collins (wearing 14)
O'Neill
Hurley

A lot valid points there

But how can we play o shea when poor club game two weeks ago and fault for three goals??

So we put lad in who can kick but can't stop shots

Half back line is too attack minded in o dounoughe badly needed to beef up the centre and stop runners coming from deep

How you start colm driscoll is beyond me when cork craves creativity and Brian better here played for ucc there

Rest of the team I'd agree with and you have to choose between kelly or Collins imo in doc has to be there to hold up ball when required

A lot of what you say is true
Points regards dinnen and leary all I'm asking for is they get a chance yes may not do it but surely people see my point deserve a chance

The perception management judgements on players let's be honest is appalling as recall cussen, game time hazel durrant Desmond, playing cadogan midfield loughrey on brogan and many more examples
So just cause they don't rate dinnen means nothing as there judgements proven be wrong
If they don't rate a player I'd nearly think players is good at this stage

Problems is none this management a point often forget have no successful proven records

Can anyone tell me one aera they hsve improved in this team please in the last year and half
Just one aera they improved?

thinkstoomuch1 · 28-04-2015 01:08PM

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/james-horan-rebels-were-overwhelmed-and-ruthlessly-exposed-by-a-ferocious-side-31176226.html

All valid points by horan particularly he's point on cuthbert root and branch review in only so many them you can do
I made that point yesterday last year root and branch review didn't make much difference when this year were back to square one

wackokid · 28-04-2015 07:30PM

Don't stop now.

Santa Cruz · 28-04-2015 08:10PM

One Dub summed Cork up when he was singing "Are you Mayo in disguise?"

thinkstoomuch1 · 28-04-2015 08:23PM

wackokid wrote: »

Don't stop now.

What did you make of Sunday wacko???
And how would you rate McCaffrey performance and he's marker colm o driscoll and Kevin performance
And what do you make cadogan performance

sean mac · 28-04-2015 08:25PM

Ttm, ohallorhans kickouts arent good enough and i dont know why you are defending him. Dublin new regardless of where he kicked he would not go further then his own 45 -50 metres max;other teams will kill us, the pressure on players to win those kckouts is huge and good teams will see it. Forget shot stopping give me a keeper who can kick long and accurate and is strong in the air-he is suspect in both huge flaws for a football goalie.
His mistakes last year and this year already are enough that in any top county team he would be dropped

thinkstoomuch1 · 28-04-2015 08:26PM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

One Dub summed Cork up when he was singing "Are you Mayo in disguise?"

That's a bit harsh on mayo imo
They got to two all Ireland finals in a row under horan and never Sunday and coughlan and horan and the awesome Buckley brilliant football management

sean mac · 28-04-2015 08:27PM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

One Dub summed Cork up when he was singing "Are you Mayo in disguise?"

He must'nt know his football because mayo are physically strong and dont collapse like this team

thinkstoomuch1 · 28-04-2015 08:27PM

sean mac wrote: »

Ttm, ohallorhans kickouts arent good enough and i dont know why you are defending him. Dublin new regardless of where he kicked he would not go further then his own 45 -50 metres max;other teams will kill us, the pressure on players to win those kckouts is huge and good teams will see it. Forget shot stopping give me a keeper who can kick long and accurate and is strong in the air-he is suspect in both huge flaws for a football goalie.
His mistakes last year and this year already are enough that in any top county team he would be dropped

It'd not case defend him in Sean in who's better

Tell me what goalie would you start also no one will improve cork kick outs are we have no midfield

thinkstoomuch1 · 28-04-2015 08:32PM

Sean what did you make dave Barry dinny Allen and James horan views

Cork media some have a view cork are being too harsh and they can't regain focus
Do you think as all talking is players fault that management are not to blame as that's view brolly brehony mcgee Allen have etc players didn't perform as if to say management no fault in this!?

sean mac · 28-04-2015 08:34PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

It'd not case defend him in Sean in who's better

Tell me what goalie would you start also no one will improve cork kick outs are we have no midfield

Sean mellet,ryan price or david hanrahan all better kickers and big men better in the air,paddy stronger in the air has a longer kick would have too see again. Martin too prone to mistakes. Cleary always had a dublin fella doing goalkeeping coach they should ask him,prob the best kicker in county paudie hurley haven but not intercounty otherwise

thinkstoomuch1 · 28-04-2015 08:36PM

sean mac wrote: »

Sean mellet,ryan price or david hanrahan all better kickers and big men better in the air,paddy stronger in the air has a longer kick would have too see again. Martin too prone to mistakes

Mallet done what exactly???

Price I agree deserves a go
Hanahran got he's chance was poor ane was dropped
We now have paddy o shea esp was poor few weeks ago conceded at least three soft girls club

thinkstoomuch1 · 28-04-2015 08:38PM

sean mac wrote: »

Sean mellet,ryan price or david hanrahan all better kickers and big men better in the air,paddy stronger in the air has a longer kick would have too see again. Martin too prone to mistakes. Cleary always had a dublin fella doing goalkeeping coach they should ask him,prob the best kicker in county paudie hurley haven but not intercounty otherwise

Agreed no where near hurley intercounty class

This is gaa not American football where we bring on guy kick luxury take him off again

sean mac · 28-04-2015 08:38PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Mallet done what exactly???

Price I agree deserves a go
Hanahran got he's chance was poor ane was dropped
We now have paddy o shea esp was poor few weeks ago conceded at least three soft girls club

Mellet 3 years u21 and a sound judge in billy morgan had him in goal for sigerson enough for me,david hanrahan ttm got ONE game and played well vs tyrone so hardly given a chance come off it

thinkstoomuch1 · 28-04-2015 08:46PM

sean mac wrote: »

Mellet 3 years u21 and a sound judge in billy morgan had him in goal for sigerson enough for me,david hanrahan ttm got ONE game and played well vs tyrone so hardly given a chance come off it

Hes form be poor enough Sean and tell me how will mellet and fair enough if Morgan rates him I agree he's good but how will mellet improve things with midfield of cadogan and gould or o Connor who Allen said not good move come back
O Connor struggled pace Sunday junior club game how will he do v kerrys ior clsre n seven week
People need to be realistic no league behind him o Connor won't come close to championship intensity and August at best but cork football be on holidays by then probably

sean mac · 28-04-2015 08:54PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Hes form be poor enough Sean and tell me how will mellet and fair enough if Morgan rates him I agree he's good but how will mellet improve things with midfield of cadogan and gould or o Connor who Allen said not good move come back
O Connor struggled pace Sunday junior club game how will he do v kerrys ior clsre n seven week
People need to be realistic no league behind him o Connor won't come close to championship intensity and August at best but cork football be on holidays by then probably

TTM, a midfield with oconnor/deane and Maguire with a half forward line of orourke - Kelly - Collins and a half back line along the lines of dorman - Clancy clon(brian Cuthbert this man is a centre back NOT a corner back) - brian o driscoll will win ball. What was selected on sunday will not.
Alan o connor is more experienced then you or me and wouldn't come back if he didn't think he could contribute, I don't rate management but I rate this man to say he has something. Croke park and Killarney are different places , that's the fire closest to corks boat and I feel he will make a difference with the selection.
My basic point is its far better for a defensively weak team like cork to be fighting for kickouts 60 metres from goal rather then 30-40 metres. By having a keeper that can kick further you keep the opposition guessing and don't allow what happened on sunday when Dublin simly pushed right up on top of us.

thinkstoomuch1 · 28-04-2015 09:04PM

sean mac wrote: »

TTM, a midfield with oconnor/deane and Maguire with a half forward line of orourke - Kelly - Collins and a half back line along the lines of dorman - Clancy clon(brian Cuthbert this man is a centre back NOT a corner back) - brian o driscoll will win ball. What was selected on sunday will not.
Alan o connor is more experienced then you or me and wouldn't come back if he didn't think he could contribute, I don't rate management but I rate this man to say he has something. Croke park and Killarney are different places , that's the fire closest to corks boat and I feel he will make a difference with the selection.
My basic point is its far better for a defensively weak team like cork to be fighting for kickouts 60 metres from goal rather then 30-40 metres. By having a keeper that can kick further you keep the opposition guessing and don't allow what happened on sunday when Dublin simly pushed right up on top of us.

Surely Sunday proved one thing our half back line was too attack minded
Yours is again loughrey or dorman
O dounoughe as a holding player beef up middle and he's steely with clancy

Half forward line o rourke Brian o driscoll and Collins or kelly
Hurley colm doc but playing deeper

You seem forget cork won't beat kerry killarney and we have play broker sooner or later
Wrong regards players thinking they have it in there conflict interest and any player thinks good enough cork some times as niall moran did when came back

Will Alan last game no he won't
At best fifty minutes and then we needs subs
Kerry hsve maher Buckley moran and if needs be Walsh and Donaghey so will run rings around o Connor

The game and this management wont protect he's lack pace and unfortunately won't work and I hate be doom gloom merchant here but after another false dawn cork football needs large does reality
Even Barry Donovan echo said o Connor hard ask now get up to pace
Sorry now Sean but he's no league behind him
Tommy Walsh much fitter and admitted takes him while get pace game so how on earth older o Connor do the same when Walsh from afl even had better fitness base

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