Yet another death happens in police custody: Freddy Gray

MathDebater · 28-04-2015 04:56PM

DocQismyJesus wrote: »

Sorry? According to f'd up Apartheid logic at least a billion Asians were considered white. Ergo in our racists friend's equally f'd up logic it is entirely possible he/she considers the condemned Aussies "white"

Now if you will excuse me I'm off to silently weep for the white South Africans who played absolutely no part in creating that violent cauldron that exists today...

Asians were not considered 'white' under apartheid. They were classified as 'Coloureds'. You're calling someone racist when you made the most racist post in this thread. It's hilarious.

Amazingfun · 28-04-2015 04:57PM

DocQismyJesus wrote: »

Now if you will excuse me I'm off to silently weep for the white South Africans who played absolutely no part in creating that violent cauldron that exists today...

Same bs is used to try and "justify" extreme violence against whites in America. Do you have any idea of how few whites were actually involved directly in slavery? Do you realize almost none of the living whites today, nor their ancestors, had anything at all to do with it?

And you can save your crocodile tears. The death of whites anywhere must give you the warm n fuzzies when you imagine their deaths being some sort of sacrifice to the imaginary gods of racial justice. Your type truly disgusts me.

DocQismyJesus · 28-04-2015 05:04PM

Amazingfun wrote: »

Same bs is used to try and "justify" extreme violence against whites in America. Do you have any idea of how few whites were actually involved directly in slavery? Do you realize almost none of the living whites today, nor their ancestors, had anything at all to do with it?

And you can save your crocodile tears. The death of whites anywhere must give you the warm n fuzzies when you imagine their deaths being some sort of sacrifice to the imaginary gods of racial justice. Your type truly disgusts me.

Contrary to what you think I find all violence against anyone equally disgusting.

Because of this I find it essential to ask the question "why" in order to do everything I can to prevent it from happening to others.

Go back to reading Stormwatch you racist prick.

MathDebater · 28-04-2015 05:07PM

DocQismyJesus wrote: »

Go back to reading Stormwatch you racist prick.

Bit rich.

DocQismyJesus wrote: »

Terrified whitey would be funny if he weren't so dangerous.

DocQismyJesus · 28-04-2015 05:12PM

MathDebater wrote: »

Bit rich.

How so? Terrified white peoples like yourselves sit in their basement and read Alex Jones and Stormwatch- nothing inaccurate about that.

Amazingfun · 28-04-2015 05:12PM

DocQismyJesus wrote: »

Contrary to what you think I find all violence against anyone equally disgusting.

Because of this I find it essential to ask the question "why" in order to do everything I can to prevent it from happening to others.

Go back to reading Stormwatch you racist prick.

Right back at ya there, tough guy

I don't need to "go" anywhere. The FBI crime stats exist independently of your weak barbs at "Stormfront", lol. I am sorry pointing out reality makes you so cranky but that's life.

Can't wait for you to share your amazing plan at how to prevent the type of rioting and looting we see in Baltimore and elsewhere. I am guessing it involves lots of finger-wagging lectures against whites who had nothing to with slavery and of course hugging rioters and stuff. Good luck with that

Amazingfun · 28-04-2015 05:16PM

DocQismyJesus wrote: »

How so? Terrified white peoples like yourselves sit in their basement and read Alex Jones and Stormwatch- nothing inaccurate about that.

I am not a regular reader of either of those sites. Not that it matters. So cool to know you're psychic as well as the possessor of the skills to heal the American racial divide, however. Ireland is sooooo lucky to have you here :rolleyes:

MathDebater · 28-04-2015 05:17PM

DocQismyJesus wrote: »

How so? Terrified white peoples like yourselves sit in their basement and read Alex Jones and Stormwatch- nothing inaccurate about that.

Do we even have basements in this country? Never saw one. You obviously dislikes white people. Thats your prerogative. Yet here you are. After voluntarily migrating to one of the whitest country's on the globe. That makes you an extreme hypocrite.

DocQismyJesus · 28-04-2015 05:20PM

MathDebater wrote: »

Do we even have basements in this country? Never saw one. You obviously dislikes white people. Thats your prerogative. Yet here you are. After voluntarily migrating to one of the whitest country's on the globe. That makes you an extreme hypocrite.

Dude I'm white myself. And as I stated above I have equal scorn for violence against whites as I do for violence against anyone else

Amazingfun · 28-04-2015 05:22PM

DocQismyJesus wrote: »

Dude I'm white myself. And as I stated above I have equal scorn for violence against whites as I do for violence against anyone else

Except for the whites in South Africa and those you deem "racist pricks". You do realize we can read what you post and have more than a 2minute memory recall of their content?

Nodin · 28-04-2015 05:43PM

Amazingfun wrote: »

Haha...of course you go immediately to reading my posting history in the hopes of finding a means of attacking me and deflecting away from the posting of black on white crime stats. I mean, it's only to be expected.

If you object to the execution of men after the judicial process, why do you have no problem with extra-judicial killing?

Amazingfun · 28-04-2015 05:47PM

Nodin wrote: »

If you object to the execution of men after the judicial process, why do you have no problem with extra-judicial killing?

Are you for real? The "judicial process" and its problems in the Indonesian case have aready been hashed out on the topic's thread, a thread you've participated on. What are you trying to accomplish by playing dumb about the holes in that case on this thread?

Nodin · 28-04-2015 05:50PM

Cienciano wrote: »

How is this post different to using Freddy Greys previous arrests against him?

Because I'm not justifying trying to kill cops or the death of cops by linking to it.

Nodin · 28-04-2015 05:52PM

Amazingfun wrote: »

Are you for real? The "judicial process" and its problems in the Indonesian case have aready been hashed out on the topic's thread, a thread you've participated on. What are you trying to accomplish by playing dumb about the holes in that case on this thread?

I'm fully aware of that. Yet here there wasn't a flawed judicial process or even a capital crime, and your contribution on the incident is to link statistics trying to show the black community in a bad light? It's a rather striking juxtaposition.

Amazingfun · 28-04-2015 05:53PM

Nodin wrote: »

Because I'm not justifying trying to kill cops or the death of cops by linking to it.

Nor has anyone else far as I can see. Since I've not linked to it either I would ask again what it is you are hoping to accomplish by dragging the Indonesian execution case into this thread?

Nodin · 28-04-2015 05:56PM

Amazingfun wrote: »

Nor has anyone else far as I can see. Since I've not linked to it either I would ask again what it is you are hoping to accomplish by dragging the Indonesian execution case into this thread?

A man objects to people being executed for drug smuggling. The same man has no problem nor raises objections to a man being killed by police sans trial or charge (on multiple occasions). It's a striking contrast. Perhaps if you explain?

darkpagandeath · 28-04-2015 05:57PM

Amazingfun wrote: »

Nor has anyone else far as I can see. Since I've not linked to it either I would ask again what it is you are hoping to accomplish by dragging the Indonesian execution case into this thread?

SW justifying justice justifiably or just because must be Racist some how some were.

Amazingfun · 28-04-2015 05:58PM

your contribution on the incident is to link statistics trying to show the black community in a bad light?

I posted stats that are relevant to the geographical area in which cops have to operate. I am not "trying to paint the black community in a bad light" by posting factual stats. If that's the conclusion some come to regarding this "community" upon viewing those stats then perhaps its the actions of those upon whom those stats are based on which paint themselves as "bad". I didn't make them up.

darkpagandeath · 28-04-2015 05:58PM

Nodin wrote: »

A man objects to people being executed for drug smuggling. The same man has no problem nor raises objections to a man being killed by police sans trial or charge (on multiple occasions). It's a striking contrast. Perhaps if you explain?

Race is not an issue in this one or most of the ones recently.

Nodin · 28-04-2015 06:04PM

Amazingfun wrote: »

I posted stats that are relevant to the geographical area in which cops have to operate. I am not "trying to paint the black community in a bad light" by posting factual stats. If that's the conclusion some come to regarding this "community" upon viewing those stats then perhaps its the actions of those upon whom those stats are based on which paint themselves as "bad". I didn't make them up.

So you've nothing against them..............................but......

So cops operating in a rough area who may be responsible for a needless death are justified because "black crime" or some such?

darkpagandeath wrote:

Race is not an issue in this one or most of the ones recently. .

I don't recall saying it was in this case. I did however link to some stories that show problems within the Baltimore PD. I then today find people posting nationwide stats for crime related to one specific community, again.

Junkyard Tom · 28-04-2015 06:05PM

Amazingfun wrote: »

Btw: And I am very well schooled in the "racial dynamics" of the USA. Very.

The Bell Curve doesn't count as schooling - it counts as pseudo-scientific bullshit.

A simple fact is that draconian US laws, and a racist justice system, have failed spectacularly and those who continue support the system, in its current guise, are either as thick as shit or get a kick out of it.

Amazingfun · 28-04-2015 06:10PM

Nodin wrote: »

So you've nothing against them..............................but......

So cops operating in a rough area who may be responsible for a needless death are justified because "black crime" or some such?

I don't recall saying it was in this case. I did however link to some stories that show problems within the Baltimore PD. I then today find people posting nationwide stats for crime related to one specific community, again.

I didn't make one single comment regarding anyone's death being "justified" so that comment is ridiculous. You can look to your ideological pal there, the one who mocked violence against whites in South Africa, for that kind of thinking

The post I made gave crime stats for both Baltimore (currently 65% Black) and to Maryland in general, the State the city of Baltimore is situated in. Also I linked to a horrible black on white murder in Baltimore, that of Kim Leto, a case which hasn't been given national, nevermind global attention at all.

darkpagandeath · 28-04-2015 06:13PM

Amazingfun wrote: »

I didn't make one single comment regarding anyone's death being "justified" so that comment is ridiculous. You can look to your ideological pal there, the one who mocked violence against whites in South Africa, for that kind of thinking

The post I made gave crime stats for both Baltimore (currently 65% Black) and to Maryland in general, the State the city of Baltimore is situated in. Also I linked to a horrible black on white murder in Baltimore, that of Kim Leto, a case which hasn't been given national, nevermind global attention at all.

And no Riots or looting.

Hans Bricks · 28-04-2015 06:19PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

And no Riots or looting.

I wonder the reaction to a white man doing the "bonnet dance" in response ?

Nodin · 28-04-2015 06:26PM

Amazingfun wrote: »

I didn't make one single comment regarding anyone's death being "justified" so that comment is ridiculous. You can look to your ideological pal there, the one who mocked violence against whites in South Africa, for that kind of thinking

The post I made gave crime stats for both Baltimore (currently 65% Black) and to Maryland in general, the State the city of Baltimore is situated in.
.

What have those stats to do with the topic exactly?

Amazingfun wrote: »

Also I linked to a horrible black on white murder in Baltimore, that of Kim Leto, a case which hasn't been given national, nevermind global attention at all.

You also linked to another murder that nobody seems to think had a racial dimension, save you, and a site that has some rather dubious ideology and stats of "black on white" violence.

I've read a few articles re the Kim Leto murder on Baltimore related news sites. Not one mentions race as having anything to do with it.

Junkyard Tom · 28-04-2015 06:27PM

Amazingfun wrote: »

Also I linked to a horrible black on white murder in Baltimore, that of Kim Leto, a case which hasn't been given national, nevermind global attention at all.

'Corpse waving' I've heard that described as i.e. taking a brutal murder and trying to use its emotional impact to your own ends. It's not at all clear that the killing was racially motivated so I don't know why you have shoe-horned it into the discussion as often as you can. Also, even if there was a racial element the two scumbags who carried it out are in custody and will, rightly, serve lengthy sentences.

The fact that the US police (i.e. those tasked to protect and serve the public) are very rarely convicted for killing people points to a much larger multifaceted systemic problem. The idea that all these issues can be summarised as 'they're criminals because they're black' is stupid at best and profoundly racist at worst.

Einhard · 28-04-2015 06:28PM

Are people really claiming that a man who had his spinal cord severed by the police is somehow playing the victim? Really? Because that's a new level of craziness for After Hours.

The man was no angel obviously, but he didn't deserve to be killed by the police. Unless one thinks that the police should have the power to arbitrarily hand out violent beatings to whomever they take a dislike? Scarily, I'm pretty sure that there are some posters here who would be more than happy with such a scenario.

As for the rioters, they're mindless thugs and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.

MathDebater · 28-04-2015 06:30PM

Junkyard Cat wrote: »

'Corpse waving' I've heard that described as i.e. taking a brutal murder and trying to use its emotional impact to your own ends.

Isn't that what the OP, looters and rioters are exactly doing?

Junkyard Tom · 28-04-2015 06:32PM

MathDebater wrote: »

Isn't that what the OP, looters and rioters are exactly doing?

This issue is more than just the killing of one black guy.

Amazingfun · 28-04-2015 06:33PM

Junkyard Cat wrote: »

'Corpse waving' I've heard that described as i.e. taking a brutal murder and trying to use its emotional impact to your own ends. It's not at all clear that the killing was racially motivated so I don't know you have shoe-horned it into the discussion as often as you can. Also, even if there was a racial element the two scumbags who carried it out are in custody and will, rightly, serve lengthy sentences.

The fact that the US police (i.e. those tasked to protect and serve the public) are very rarely convicted for killing people points to a much larger multifaceted systemic problem. The idea that all these issues can be summarised as 'they're criminals because they're black' is stupid at best and profoundly racist at worst.

Except that we only hear this "was not racially motivated" in black on white attacks. It's ALWAYS racist when it the rare black on white cases occur but the attention to them by media makes it seem like it's an every week occurance.

And it is not "corpse waving" (nice term there btw) since the case occurred in Baltimore and almost no one here has even heard the name Kim Leto. Or Channon Christian or Christopher Newsom or the hundred of other white victims of black violence each year. The highlighting of this fact was pertinent to the conversation and too bad if it feels like someone pissed in yer cornflakes by adding factual data you don't like to it.

Yet another death happens in police custody: Freddy Gray

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