Yet another death happens in police custody: Freddy Gray

Joe Doe · 28-04-2015 03:51AM

Seen a bit on CNN, rioters just burnt down an old folks home/community church type centre, significantly large fire.
Before that a pharmacy, hairdressers, shopping malls and even in-use fire-hoses perforated.

Looks like a repeat of the LDN riots whereby police very slow to react and thus widespread looting, mainly of liqueur stores.
All schools to close Tues and curfews to start from 10pm, it might be a day too late though.

ceadaoin. · 28-04-2015 04:07AM

IrishTrajan wrote: »

I quite like how Nodin, even faced with someone with a criminal record, tries to play the part of the caring warrior for social justice and all around inclusion.

The man was a drug dealer, with quite a long list of crimes. It's not like he was a misguided soul, he was a criminal. If he's dead, who cares?

So it's ok for the police to murder people once they're criminals? Ok then.

I'm sure a few people care, his family and loved ones for a start.

BlaasForRafa · 28-04-2015 04:14AM

IrishTrajan wrote: »

I quite like how Nodin, even faced with someone with a criminal record, tries to play the part of the caring warrior for social justice and all around inclusion.

The man was a drug dealer, with quite a long list of crimes. It's not like he was a misguided soul, he was a criminal. If he's dead, who cares?

I don't normally agree with much of what Nodin posts but the Baltimore cops do seem to have somewhat of a Judge Dredd style of administering justice.

Nodin · 28-04-2015 04:17AM

IrishTrajan wrote: »

I quite like how Nodin, even faced with someone with a criminal record, tries to play the part of the caring warrior for social justice and all around inclusion.

The man was a drug dealer, with quite a long list of crimes. It's not like he was a misguided soul, he was a criminal. If he's dead, who cares?

....do a crime, receive an official certificate saying that your life is now officially worth less than others forever.....yeah, great plan.

Nodin · 28-04-2015 04:26AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

I don't normally agree with much of what Nodin posts but the Baltimore cops do seem to have somewhat of a Judge Dredd style of administering justice.

O yeah.....

"Over the past four years, more than 100 people have won court judgments or settlements related to allegations of brutality and civil rights violations. Victims include a 15-year-old boy riding a dirt bike, a 26-year-old pregnant accountant who had witnessed a beating, a 50-year-old woman selling church raffle tickets, a 65-year-old church deacon rolling a cigarette and an 87-year-old grandmother aiding her wounded grandson."
http://data.baltimoresun.com/news/police-settlements/

....not to mention the less than Dredd like honesty

"BALTIMORE — Tucked behind a liquor store, opposite a flooring company, Majestic Body Shop was an unremarkable sight amid a blur of commercial properties just east of the city limits. But the police cars that always seemed to be parked at the repair shop caught the eyes of passing drivers. The F.B.I. noticed as well — agents were videotaping Majestic and tapping its phone."
.........
"Each time a car reached Majestic, officers received several hundred dollars. Some damaged the cars more to increase the insurance payout. The scheme grew as Mr. Corona recruited other officers, who in turn brought in more colleagues, until at least 51 were involved. Court documents from one defendant suggest 59 officers made calls to the brothers."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/09/us/baltimore-police-corruption-case-tests-commissioner.html?_r=1

"FBI investigators acting on a tip from a disgraced former Baltimore police investigator have found that officers in a special plainclothes unit falsified reports to further their cases, a federal prosecutor allegedin court Thursday.
Kendell Richburg, who was assigned to the Violent Crimes Impact Section, turned on his colleagues after he was charged with federal drug and gun offenses. He told prosecutors he was just one of many who misrepresented facts in order to protect informants and continue making arrests, Assistant U.S. Attorney David Copperthite said."
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-ci-police-under-investigation-20131024-story.html

28-04-2015 09:30AM

I'm convinced America is on a collision course to serious internal conflict if these issues aren't addressed quickly.

The fact that arms are very easy to procure by the general public means that this can escalate quickly. The Aurora shooting a few years ago highlights this. Holme had tear gas, a semi auto assault rifle, a tactical shotgun and a glock pistol. That's one person, armed to the teeth. Gun sales in several states shot up after the incident.

Now, in Baltimore several gangs have aligned with each other to take on the police. This includes the Bloods and Crips. The National Guard may be rolled out soon and the 1033 program is ongoing, arming police forces is the US with equipment used in Iraq and Afghanistan. Things like mine proof vehicles, assault rifles, grenade launchers (for tear gas) and even a cargo plane.

This paints, for me, a bleak picture.

Guy:Incognito · 28-04-2015 09:36AM

How many free flat screens until everyone feels justice and goes home?

Nothing says righteous freedom fighter like smashing up and robbing local businesses.

circadian wrote: »

This includes the Bloods and Crips. .

Have to laugh, gangs fight the police so that they can get back to deciding what innocent people should die themselves.

renegademaster · 28-04-2015 09:49AM

Noblong wrote: »

Social welfare not enough?

What social welfare? Are you being serious?

28-04-2015 09:55AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

How many free flat screens until everyone feels justice and goes home?

Nothing says righteous freedom fighter like smashing up and robbing local businesses.

Have to laugh, gangs fight the police so that they can get back to deciding what innocent people should die themselves.

I completely agree. The idea that these gangs are presenting themselves as defenders against the state is absurd but a dangerous premise none the less.

renegademaster · 28-04-2015 09:59AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Why is the first thing people do is loot to show how outraged they are at a persons death they did not know.

They don't and for you to suggest they do makes you look real stupid, some desperate people see it as an opportunity to seize property but its not like every protestor is looting

SEPT 23 1989 · 28-04-2015 10:09AM

circadian wrote: »

I'm convinced America is on a collision course to serious internal conflict if these issues aren't addressed quickly.

The fact that arms are very easy to procure by the general public means that this can escalate quickly. The Aurora shooting a few years ago highlights this. Holme had tear gas, a semi auto assault rifle, a tactical shotgun and a glock pistol. That's one person, armed to the teeth. Gun sales in several states shot up after the incident.

Now, in Baltimore several gangs have aligned with each other to take on the police. This includes the Bloods and Crips. The National Guard may be rolled out soon and the 1033 program is ongoing, arming police forces is the US with equipment used in Iraq and Afghanistan. Things like mine proof vehicles, assault rifles, grenade launchers (for tear gas) and even a cargo plane.

This paints, for me, a bleak picture.

guns are the only thing holding the whole thing together at this stage

try and take them off people and there will be a bloodbath

PeteFalk78 · 28-04-2015 10:14AM

So many leftie bullsh1t strawman arguments here.

NEWSFLASH : People failing to give a flying f... about a career criminal dying does not mean they think all criminals should be murdered.

Nodin · 28-04-2015 10:16AM

PeteFalk78 wrote: »

So many leftie bullsh1t strawman arguments here.

NEWSFLASH : People failing to give a flying f... about a career criminal dying does not mean they think all criminals should be murdered.

What do you think happens when people don't care about certain people dying, Pete? I'll give you a hint - its not an increase in their average life span.

PeteFalk78 · 28-04-2015 10:17AM

Nodin wrote: »

What do you think happens when people don't care about certain people dying, Pete? I'll give you a hint - its not an increase in their average life span.

It also doesn't mean that they are going to be murdered by the same people.
Don't you get it?

renegademaster · 28-04-2015 10:18AM

PeteFalk78 wrote: »

So many leftie bullsh1t strawman arguments here.

NEWSFLASH : People failing to give a flying f... about a career criminal dying does not mean they think all criminals should be murdered.

People are quick to defend police who murder!!

billythefish99 · 28-04-2015 10:18AM

PeteFalk78 wrote: »

So many leftie bullsh1t strawman arguments here.

NEWSFLASH : People failing to give a flying f... about a career criminal dying does not mean they think all criminals should be murdered.

The right dont care if certain sections of the population are murdered by the state, that much is obvious. Black criminals are fair game it would seem.

28-04-2015 10:20AM

PeteFalk78 wrote: »

So many leftie bullsh1t strawman arguments here.

NEWSFLASH : People failing to give a flying f... about a career criminal dying does not mean they think all criminals should be murdered.

Not sure anyone has clarified his conviction record.

I don't like the thought of someone dying in police custody, and then police releasing his arrest record as somehow pointing to him being more deserving of that fate. To me it makes the whole thing stink a little more. Why the need to try and blacken his character if there is nothing to hide?

ohnonotgmail · 28-04-2015 10:23AM

Killer Wench wrote: »

What's particularly complex about this situation is that Baltimore is led by a black female mayor and a black male police commissioner. There are more blacks within the ranks of the police force compared to the other stories.

For those of you who may remember from watching The Wire, many young black men have criminal records which exclude them from gaining respectable employment. If they are young and with a family, they will do what they feel is necessary to earn money for their family. That means an on-going cycle of criminality.

When you look at the livestreams, you don't see grocery stores. You see corner stores. You don't see banks. You see payday loan franchises. These are neighborhoods where there aren't many opportunities for the come up.

perhaps the answer then is to not get a criminal record in the first place? just a thought

Guy:Incognito · 28-04-2015 10:24AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Not sure anyone has clarified his conviction record.

I don't like the thought of someone dying in police custody, and then police releasing his arrest record as somehow pointing to him being more deserving of that fate. To me it makes the whole thing stink a little more. Why the need to try and blacken his character if there is nothing to hide?

Is it not similar to families of criminals bleating in the media about how great they were, wouldnt hurt a fly etc ?

Nodin · 28-04-2015 10:26AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Is it not similar to families of criminals bleating in the media about how great they were, wouldnt hurt a fly etc ?

Subjective emotive outcry from a family who've lost a loved one versus an organisation seeking to manipulate public opinion.......

28-04-2015 10:26AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Is it not similar to families of criminals bleating in the media about how great they were, wouldnt hurt a fly etc ?

No it's not, in certain forums such as courts there are rules about questioning the character of another. For example, if he was on trial, this information could not be released until a conviction. And there are very very good reasons for it.

Nodin · 28-04-2015 10:28AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

perhaps the answer then is to not get a criminal record in the first place? just a thought

'Well if they didn't have sex they wouldn't be pregnant' is the kind of argument you'd tear into in another context. The fact is that people often do stupid things, particularily when a certain age. In that city for drug offences there doesn't seem to be the simple possibility of reforming and moving on after a sentence.

Guy:Incognito · 28-04-2015 10:29AM

Nodin wrote: »

Subjective emotive outcry from a family who've lost a loved one versus an organisation seeking to manipulate public opinion.......

Or families seeking to manipulate public opinion too?

Families know full well what scumbags are within them and are often scumbags themsleves. How many drug dealing murderers with 40 or 50 convictions are in your family that you think are hard working normal lads that have never been in trouble? I'm guessing none?

Nodin · 28-04-2015 10:31AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Or families seeking to manipulate public opinion too?

Families know full well what scumbags are within them and are often scumbags themsleves. How many drug dealing murderers with 40 or 50 convictions are in your family that you think are hard working normal lads that have never been on trouble? I'm guessing none?

This man has no murder convictions, nor did he have that number for drug dealing.

ohnonotgmail · 28-04-2015 10:31AM

Nodin wrote: »

'Well if they didn't have sex they wouldn't be pregnant' is the kind of argument you'd tear into in another context. The fact is that people often do stupid things, particularily when a certain age. In that city for drug offences there doesn't seem to be the simple possibility of reforming and moving on after a sentence.

by stupid you mean criminal? I'm sure i've done plenty of stupid things in my life, especially when a certain age, but none of it was criminal. Its not compulsory to commit criminal acts when a "certain age" is it? And just to clarify, when you say a "certain age" i presume you mean as a teenager? Are juvenile records not sealed when you become an adult in the states?

Guy:Incognito · 28-04-2015 10:32AM

Nodin wrote: »

This man has no murder convictions, nor did he have that number for drug dealing.

I was talking in a general sense and when I brought up the family thing I was mostly referencing the type of stuff that goes on here. I have no idea how many convictions or what for that the guy in question in the thread had.

Nodin · 28-04-2015 10:33AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

by stupid you mean criminal? I'm sure i've done plenty of stupid things in my life, especially when a certain age, but none of it was criminal. Its not compulsory to commit criminal acts when a "certain age" is it? And just to clarify, when you say a "certain age" i presume you mean as a teenager? Are juvenile records not sealed when you become an adult in the states?

18-19,20 etc. Just because you haven't, doesn't mean others haven't.

Streetwalker · 28-04-2015 10:35AM

R.I.P. Freddy. America seem like a powder keg at present. Could be an interesting summer if the police insist on executing these guys on a regular basis.

galljga1 · 28-04-2015 10:36AM

renegademaster wrote: »

They don't and for you to suggest they do makes you look real stupid, some desperate people see it as an opportunity to seize property but its not like every protestor is looting

Get a grip: looting scumbags.

ohnonotgmail · 28-04-2015 10:38AM

Nodin wrote: »

18-19,20 etc. Just because you haven't, doesn't mean others haven't.

18-19,20? so an adult then? who should be able to make adult decisions. you are supposed to know better by that age. Kids who make stupid decisions and get into crime get a pass and a second chance because, well, they're kids and kids do stupid things. adults are supposed to know better. How many of these adults also have juvenile records so have already been given that second chance? the vast majority i would say.

Yet another death happens in police custody: Freddy Gray

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