Jeremy Clarkson suspended

Harry Palmr · 24-04-2015 04:25PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Not a chance, no station will sink the kind of money the Beeb put in for a bunch like that,I would expect.

No station would risk that kind of behaviour for a well past sell by format.

Their time has run out.

Netflix have programming budget that is bigger than BBC One and Two combined ($3.5 Bn) which is why they can spent 90-100 million on House of Cards and Marco Polo every series

Brendan Bendar · 24-04-2015 05:30PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Netflix have programming budget that is bigger than BBC One and Two combined ($3.5 Bn) which is why they can spent 90-100 million on House of Cards and Marco Polo every series

Quite correct, I'm sure, on the budgeting situation, however,would they be prepared to sink big bucks into a format and group of 'presenters' with, let's face it, a lot of baggage weighing them down.

That is the question I am asking Harry.

New fresh faces are needed here,in my opinion,not that I will ever watch a scene,but it would appear to be a good time to ditch Clarkson and his crew and make a fresh start and erase the whiff middle aged mean trying to act like boys.

Time to move on surely.

Brendan Bendar · 24-04-2015 05:35PM

Mint Aero wrote: »

Lol get a load of this guy Nah nah no station wants 350 millions viewers a week (5% of the planet) and 50 million sterling a year :rolleyes:

Sink money?! LOL get an economics book for dummies or something mate.

I think it's you who needs the book,mate.

I think you are inferring that to 'sink money' into a project means that it's wasted,when in fact it's a well known expression for 'investing' in a project.

I think you need to take a look at yourself,mate.

Not for me to say, but you are making a fool of yourself here

Harry Palmr · 24-04-2015 05:37PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Quite correct, I'm sure, on the budgeting situation, however,would they be prepared to sink big bucks into a format and group of 'presenters' with, let's face it, a lot of baggage weighing them down.

That is the question I am asking Harry.

New fresh faces are needed here,in my opinion,not that I will ever watch a scene,but it would appear to be a good time to ditch Clarkson and his crew and make a fresh start and erase the whiff middle aged mean trying to act like boys.

Time to move on surely.

You appear not to really grasp the appeal of ex-Top Gear. Its not cos its called Top Gear or even because it features infernal combustion engined machines. Its the unholy trio that people tune in to watch. There are translators around the world who's job has been to "be Clarkson" so as to communicate his very essence for the local audience.

The BBC will try to remake TG (for the guardian readers) and it'll probably be a luke warm meal at best fronted by a trio of house-trained plastic people. Netflix (or whoever) if they have any sense at all will change nothing that falls outside those BBC copyright elements like the Stig.

Mint Aero · 24-04-2015 05:39PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I think it's you who needs the book,mate.

I think you are inferring that to 'sink money' into a project means that it's wasted,when in fact it's a well known expression for 'investing' in a project.

I think you need to take a look at yourself,mate.

Not for me to say, but you are making a fool of yourself here

You've come across as extremely foolish & blinkered mate time & time again in this thread. The only reason I still post here now, is because it's actually comical watching you make a fool of yourself. Take a good long hard look at yourself and ask why is it you come across as very envious of "middle aged" men on a tv show mate.

Mint Aero · 24-04-2015 05:41PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

You appear not to really grasp the appeal of ex-Top Gear. Its not cos its called Top Gear or even because it features infernal combustion engined machines. Its the unholy trio that people tune in to watch. There are translators around the world who's job has been to "be Clarkson" so as to communicate his very essence for the local audience.
.

The guy hasn't a clue what his talking about. He doesn't understand the concept at all. His lack of understanding is on par with making a remake of Fawlty Towers, or recasting the Simpsons :rolleyes: He just doesn't get it.

Brendan Bendar · 24-04-2015 05:49PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

You appear not to really grasp the appeal of ex-Top Gear. Its not cos its called Top Gear or even because it features infernal combustion engined machines. Its the unholy trio that people tune in to watch. There are translators around the world who's job has been to "be Clarkson" so as to communicate his very essence for the local audience.

The BBC will try to remake TG (for the guardian readers) and it'll probably be a luke warm meal at best fronted by a trio of house-trained plastic people. Netflix (or whoever) if they have any sense at all will change nothing that falls outside those BBC copyright elements like the Stig.

You are correct again,I certainly wouldn't tune to three middle aged lads trying to be,well, laddish, and try to be a boorish and ignorant as they can get away with.
This is quite correct, and wouldn't appeal to me in the slightest ,but I do accept that there is a certain stratum of society who 'get off' on that concept,mostly
Walter Mitty types I would suggest who constantly dream of driving high performance cars,and wasting rubber and fuel on stupid procedures.
Nothing wrong with that I hasten to add,but I suppose it lifts them from the mundane day to day lives they lead.
I'm old enough to understand it takes all kinds,who would have thunk that a has been country singer would create such a stir last year.

So I guess has beens like Clarkson and crew still have their 'fans'

Brendan Bendar · 24-04-2015 05:51PM

Mint Aero wrote: »

You've come across as extremely foolish & blinkered mate time & time again in this thread. The only reason I still post here now, is because it's actually comical watching you make a fool of yourself. Take a good long hard look at yourself and ask why is it you come across as very envious of "middle aged" men on a tv show mate.

No point arguing with that, mate.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 24-04-2015 10:49PM

Mint Aero wrote: »

LOL get an economics book for dummies or something mate.

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I think it's you who needs the book,mate.

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I think you need to take a look at yourself,mate.

Mint Aero wrote: »

You've come across as extremely foolish & blinkered mate

Mint Aero wrote: »

Take a good long hard look at yourself and ask why is it you come across as very envious of "middle aged" men on a tv show mate.

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

No point arguing with that, mate.

For such good mates, you two sure do argue a lot.

Cold War Kid · 24-04-2015 11:16PM

I don't see any problem with the three of them doing another Top Gear.

Objecting to "Jezzer" being a diva and thumping and verbally abusing a member of the production team doesn't mean agreeing that he shouldn't present the show again. It's a good show with a huge following and the fans don't deserve to be punished.

CiDeRmAn · 25-04-2015 12:50AM

Cold War Kid wrote: »

I don't see any problem with the three of them doing another Top Gear.

Objecting to "Jezzer" being a diva and thumping and verbally abusing a member of the production team doesn't mean agreeing that he shouldn't present the show again. It's a good show with a huge following and the fans don't deserve to be punished.

Careful now, saying that got me called anti clarkson.
But you're not wrong.
Top Gear was fun.
The presenters were fun.
Thumping a crew member for not having a dinner ready is wrong.
I saw his sacking as almost inevitable given in any other branch of the civil or public service, of which he is an employee, striking a fellow worker would mean instant dismissal.
But I would have liked to see the show take a break for a year and return with all the presenters intact.

syklops · 25-04-2015 02:15AM

Mint Aero wrote: »

The guy hasn't a clue what his talking about. He doesn't understand the concept at all. His lack of understanding is on par with making a remake of Fawlty Towers, or recasting the Simpsons :rolleyes: He just doesn't get it.

He doesnt want to remake Fawlty towers. My understanding is he wants all the characters and indeed actors in a new TV show of a different name.

Junkyard Tom · 25-04-2015 02:55AM

Clarkson sacrificed the pig that laid the golden goose.

davwain · 27-04-2015 01:17AM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Careful now, saying that got me called anti clarkson.
But you're not wrong.
Top Gear was fun.
The presenters were fun.
Thumping a crew member for not having a dinner ready is wrong.
I saw his sacking as almost inevitable given in any other branch of the civil or public service, of which he is an employee, striking a fellow worker would mean instant dismissal.
But I would have liked to see the show take a break for a year and return with all the presenters intact.

Yet although Jian Ghomeshi, a host of a hit radio show put on by the BBC's Canadian counterpart, had a reputation for treating other people around him badly, his implosion only came when he showed, to his then-bosses at the public broadcaster he worked for, photos, on a phone issued to him by his then-employer, he thought had been of a consensual act. As Patrick McGuire put it in the online newsmagazine Vice, the abrupt end, to Ghomeshi's broadcasting career (at least with the BBC's Canadian equivalent), had been "overdue".

I agree with Leah McLaren, a columnist for The Globe and Mail, that, whilst the BBC's Canadian counterpart fumbled the ball badly on how it dealt with the Ghomeshi scandal, the BBC showed it knew, once again, how to deal with badly behaving employees (by dumping Clarkson).

Cats fur sale · 27-04-2015 01:43AM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

because it features infernal combustion engined machines.

Good post Harry. The piece above though should internal not infernal. Just so you know.

BMMachine · 27-04-2015 02:36AM

I say we go back to the old host of Top Gear.

Noel Edmunds

Brendan Bendar · 27-04-2015 04:52AM

Nah, new blood is the way to go, now is the time.

Clarkson is history now, won't be touched by another station.

chupacabra · 27-04-2015 07:21AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Nah, new blood is the way to go, now is the time.

Clarkson is history now, won't be touched by another station.

You're kidding right? Networks will be lined up around the corner to sign the 3 Top Gear lads. I can see Netflix signing them for a show tbh

27-04-2015 07:42AM

There is a version of Top Gear in the US, called Top Gear and fronted by three US guys. Its pathetic! When you watch it you realise how important the current presenters are to the show.

Also much of the appeal of Clarksons version is that it was not strictly 'politically correct'. People crave honesty and common sense these days not PC.

Sure its possible to remake it but the new version would be a flop.

Brendan Bendar · 27-04-2015 07:55AM

Deleted User wrote: »

There is a version of Top Gear in the US, called Top Gear and fronted by three US guys. Its pathetic! When you watch it you realise how important the current presenters are to the show.

Also much of the appeal of Clarksons version is that it was not strictly 'politically incorrect'. People crave honesty and common sense these days not PC.

Sure its possible to remake it but the new version would be a flop.

Honesty and common sense!!!

How can you associate any of those values to Clarkson?

He was lucky to get out of Argentina alive, not much common sense there.

The people who admire that kind of behaviour and tacitly condone the other behaviour to me should take a good look at themselves.

Not acceptable in this day and age.
Past its sell by date, well past.

Time to move away from that era.

27-04-2015 08:55AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

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Not acceptable in this day and age.
Past its sell by date, well past.

Time to move away from that era.

Yes, Give the audiences what you think they should get, not what they want to watch... and do it with tax/licence fee money.

Brendan Bendar · 27-04-2015 09:14AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, Give the audiences what you think they should get, not what they want to watch... and do it with tax/licence fee money.

Exactly, that's my point,there is a propensity from that particular stratum to watch stuff that,frankly, is not acceptable today.

There are certain terms, phrases, activity and behaviour which were acceptable back in the day but would be out of order now.

Clarkson and his team were to a certain extent throwbacks from that dark era and despite warnings persisted u til the inevitable happened.

Let's move on.

_Kaiser_ · 27-04-2015 09:39AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Exactly, that's my point,there is a propensity from that particular stratum to watch stuff that,frankly, is not acceptable today.

There are certain terms, phrases, activity and behaviour which were acceptable back in the day but would be out of order now.

Clarkson and his team were to a certain extent throwbacks from that dark era and despite warnings persisted u til the inevitable happened.

Let's move on.

350 million people disagree with you.

Whatever about Clarkson's personal conduct, there's no denying that there's still a big demand out there for the format and content that Top Gear with the 3 lads offers.

That might not sit well with the PC, liberal, looking to take offence at every opportunity type but there's a simple answer there... don't watch the show!

Personally I look forward to the three lads coming back on Sky or Netflix or wherever. The fact that the producer has quit as well means that this is more likely IMO. I'd imagine most of the production staff will follow if/when they do get a new show.

ohnonotgmail · 27-04-2015 09:41AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

350 million people disagree with you.

Whatever about Clarkson's personal conduct, there's no denying that there's still a big demand out there for the format and content that Top Gear with the 3 lads offers.

That might not sit well with the PC, liberal, looking to take offence at every opportunity type but there's a simple answer there... don't watch the show!

Personally I look forward to the three lads coming back on Sky or Netflix or wherever. The fact that the producer has quit as well means that this is more likely IMO. I'd imagine most of the production staff will follow if/when they do get a new show.

the fact that the show exists at all is enough to upset some people. People should only watch what their betters think is appropriate.

Mint Aero · 27-04-2015 09:46AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Honesty and common sense!!!

How can you associate any of those values to Clarkson?

He was lucky to get out of Argentina alive, not much common sense there.

The people who admire that kind of behaviour and tacitly condone the other behaviour to me should take a good look at themselves.

Not acceptable in this day and age.
Past its sell by date, well past.

Time to move away from that era.

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Exactly, that's my point,there is a propensity from that particular stratum to watch stuff that,frankly, is not acceptable today.

There are certain terms, phrases, activity and behaviour which were acceptable back in the day but would be out of order now.

Clarkson and his team were to a certain extent throwbacks from that dark era and despite warnings persisted u til the inevitable happened.

Let's move on.

There there it's ok *pats head*

Just close your eyes, loosen your dickie bow & listen to this

ohnonotgmail · 27-04-2015 09:48AM

Mint Aero wrote: »

There there it's ok *pats head*

Just close your eyes, loosen your dickie bow & listen to this

do you have the music from the Hovis ad as well? The one with the little boy pushing a bike uphill?

Mint Aero · 27-04-2015 09:52AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

do you have the music from the Hovis ad as well? The one with the little boy pushing a bike uphill?

I can picture ol' Brendan standing to attention and saluting his Windows 95 PC as we speak. After he removes his knee warmer and breakfast tray from his lap of course

SeanW · 27-04-2015 01:02PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

New fresh faces are needed here,in my opinion,not that I will ever watch a scene,but it would appear to be a good time to ditch Clarkson and his crew and make a fresh start and erase the whiff middle aged mean trying to act like boys.

This appears to be your problem. You don't watch the show, don't care about it, never will, but feel qualified to lay out a plan for its future.

Between this and the fact that the trio's main weakness was their lack of political correctness and as such lack of favour with the Establishment, makes me wonder why you comment so freely on something you know nothing about and profess to have no interest in. Normally that would raise a number of questions, but I suspect there is only one pertinent one - how often do you read the Guardian?

ScumLord · 27-04-2015 01:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There is a version of Top Gear in the US, called Top Gear and fronted by three US guys. Its pathetic! When you watch it you realise how important the current presenters are to the show.

I wouldn't call it pathetic. It's not in the same league as the UK show, they just don't have the personalities. They went for a specials only show and it's an ok car show. It's had some good moments and I was a bit surprised it didn't essentially ignore everything that happens outside of the US car industry.

It does show it's very hard to do a car show. It's very hard to make everyone happy.

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

and despite warnings persisted u til the inevitable happened.

Here we go with these warnings again. What warnings was he given? Most of his controversies happened on top gear and would have been scripted and signed off on by producers and writers of the show. He could not have gotten warnings for anything that appeared on the show.

Brendan Bendar · 27-04-2015 02:00PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I wouldn't call it pathetic. It's not in the same league as the UK show, they just don't have the personalities. They went for a specials only show and it's an ok car show. It's had some good moments and I was a bit surprised it didn't essentially ignore everything that happens outside of the US car industry.

It does show it's very hard to do a car show. It's very hard to make everyone happy.

Here we go with these warnings again. What warnings was he given? Most of his controversies happened on top gear and would have been scripted and signed off on by producers and writers of the show. He could not have gotten warnings for anything that appeared on the show.

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