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  • #392
    Jessa Stocky Manger
    Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭ Jessa Stocky Manger


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    To be fair, it's far from "free". Not quite there yet myself, but between things like particular school uniforms, expensive frequently changing books (and workbooks), and (mandatory) "donations", our school system is far from free

    Yep that's fair enough, particularly agree with you on the uniforms, it's madness to have to pay that sort of money for a crest on a jumper.

    But the State can't raise your children for you (financially). It's just not feasible. If you decide to have children you have to accept that they are a financial burden.


  • #393
    edward2222
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭edward2222


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    worryingly, yes

    Problem on how to get more than that?
    Problem on how to pay bigger debt?
    or
    Problem on how to spend them?

    Which one is it? or
    which one do you want? :cool:


  • #394
    bee06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,514 ✭✭✭bee06


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    i would be very grateful if parents reading this can explain the flaws in this statement as im not a parent. thank you. in regards clothing and feeding the kids, yes this would be a great idea. it would take a lot of pressure off parents

    So you think someone who doesn't have kids should fund clothes and food for someone else's kids?


  • #395
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,548 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Journee Flabby Nectarine wrote: »
    Yep that's fair enough, particularly agree with you on the uniforms, it's madness to have to pay that sort of money for a crest on a jumper.

    But the State can't raise your children for you (financially). It's just not feasible. If you decide to have children you have to accept that they are a financial burden.

    have to disagree to some degree. people are paying enough in taxes now, its time for such things as free healthcare and free education. in regards being feasible, make it feasible.


  • #396
    Captain Chaos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,178 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    bee06 wrote: »
    So you think someone who doesn't have kids should fund clothes and food for someone else's kids?

    That's the way the system is right now. My taxes are going towards paying for child benefit all around the country as are thousands and thousands of others.


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  • #397
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,464 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Journee Flabby Nectarine wrote: »
    Yep that's fair enough, particularly agree with you on the uniforms, it's madness to have to pay that sort of money for a crest on a jumper.

    But the State can't raise your children for you (financially). It's just not feasible. If you decide to have children you have to accept that they are a financial burden.

    Completely agree, but the State should incentivise reward people for working and contributing to the system rather than using them as a "cash cow" to pay for those at the lower end (not the genuine cases, talking about the "lifers") and the upper end (who can write off a lot of it anyway)


  • #398
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,548 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    bee06 wrote: »
    So you think someone who doesn't have kids should fund clothes and food for someone else's kids?

    yes, this is what taxes are for. this would remove a lot of pressure on parents. does it bother you that some of your tax money leaves the country on a regular basis and you never getting anything in return for it?


  • #399
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,464 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    That's the way the system is right now. My taxes are going towards paying for child benefit all around the country as are thousands and thousands of others.

    Which should be means-tested, not given to everyone regardless of whether they're on 10k or 100k

    Social welfare/govt assistance should go to where it's most needed


  • #400
    draiochtanois
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭draiochtanois


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  • #401
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,548 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Completely agree, but the State should incentivise reward people for working and contributing to the system rather than using them as a "cash cow" to pay for those at the lower end (not the genuine cases, talking about the "lifers") and the upper end (who can write off a lot of it anyway)

    agree with the reward for hard working people. something that is just not happening at the moment. the government just keeps producing sticks to beat the hard working people of this country. terrible government.

    i have my own theories on long term unemployed people


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  • #402
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Journee Flabby Nectarine wrote: »
    Yep that's fair enough, particularly agree with you on the uniforms, it's madness to have to pay that sort of money for a crest on a jumper.

    But the State can't raise your children for you (financially). It's just not feasible. If you decide to have children you have to accept that they are a financial burden.



    Agree. I don't think schools should be able to have a monopoly on uniforms and generics (without crests) should be allowed. Otherwise it's just a money making racket however I don't think that funding uniforms etc should be the responsibility of the taxpayer.


  • #403
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,548 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Which should be means-tested, not given to everyone regardless of whether they're on 10k or 100k

    Social welfare/govt assistance should go to where it's most needed

    there are methods of means testing within the welfare system but it probably needs to be readjusted.

    welfare probably does to some degree go to places that it is required but again it has its issues


  • #404
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,548 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    [QUOTE=OldNotWIse;95243045 Otherwise it's just a money making racket however I don't think that funding uniforms etc should be the responsibility of the taxpayer.[/QUOTE]

    i do, families need a break


  • #405
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    there are methods of means testing within the welfare system but it probably needs to be readjusted.

    welfare probably does to some degree go to places that it is required but again it has its issues



    And if it was over-hauled, and those who make it a lifestyle choice were cut off, there would be more money in the pot to help people who actually need it.


  • #406
    Jessa Stocky Manger
    Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭ Jessa Stocky Manger


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    agree with the reward for hard working people. something that is just not happening at the moment. the government just keeps producing sticks to beat the hard working people of this country. terrible government.

    i have my own theories on long term unemployed people

    The government is operating under extremely constrained conditions. They inherited an absolute ****-show. I'm not mad on them either but you have to take things in context. All the economic indicators are improving and have been for a while now.

    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    i do, families need a break

    I'm sorry but this is madness. There's a very limited pot of money for the Govt to spend and you want some of it allocated to school uniforms. How about they just ban school crests, with a stroke of a pen you bring the cost of a uniform down to a couple of €. I need a bloody break, not to be paying for other people's kids clothes.


  • #407
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,548 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    And if it was over-hauled, and those who make it a lifestyle choice were cut off, there would be more money in the pot to help people who actually need it.

    i have my theories for these people you suggest. cutting them off the dole may open a pandora's box but i can understand your anger towards them


  • #408
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    i do, families need a break



    1. You don't need children to qualify as a family.


    2. Other people also need a break.


  • #409
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    i have my theories for these people you suggest. cutting them off the dole may open a pandora's box but i can understand your anger towards them



    Where did I say I was angry?


  • #410
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,548 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Journee Flabby Nectarine wrote: »
    The government is operating under extremely constrained conditions. They inherited an absolute ****-show. I'm not mad on them either but you have to take things in context. All the economic indicators are improving and have been for a while now.

    true but im not convinced of the recovery. listen to the comments made by the hard working. im actually extremely angry with the government. they ve made some terrible decisions and continue to do so


  • #411
    Nody
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,558 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    //MOD

    This thread is locked until further notice for Mod cleaning; it's gone greatly off topic and it will be reviewed if it can be saved or not.

    //MOD


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