Horse stabbed to death (in Limerick)

RobertKK · 24-04-2015 06:37PM

I think people who do this are not just a danger to other animals, but also to humans.
The mindset needed to do this is one most of us can't comprehend.
If you can do this to an animal for no good reason, then what is stopping a progression to killing a person?

There is something badly wrong mentally for a person to stab a horse to death. It is the sort of behaviour that needs to have the person responsible locked up, they are a danger in society.

monty_python · 24-04-2015 06:40PM

Ara sure isn't it there tradition to stab horses

Kermit.de.frog · 24-04-2015 06:42PM

eviltwin wrote: »

Ah yes us simple folk are being taken advantage of and we don't even know it :rolleyes: Do you realise how condescending that post comes across? We are the authors of our own destiny, we made the same choices as about 80% of the people here, go to college, work hard and take care of your responsibilities. A small amount choose a different path, their choice but stop making excuses for them.

They can't look after themselves never mind a bloody horse. It's such a sad existence for both parties. Just looking at that video posted of them out in their PJs in the middle of the day defending the realm and the dragged up scrotes looking on. We put up with too much of it in this country. It's time to force responsibility on people instead of "looking after" them which isn't working.

That does not extend to allowing the abuse of animals and horses (whether the owners realise it is abuse or not). Those horses should be taken and the owners prosecuted.

As for the case in Limerick (sadly not unusual to see these thing about animals in the media) what kind of a maniacal lunatic would you have to be to do something like that?

Ave Sodalis · 24-04-2015 06:46PM

Kovu wrote: »

Eh, I'm a bit lost at the part

Why not call a vet to put it down?

Not long ago in Limerick a horse collapsed and the vet was threatened with a gun if it went near the dying horse. Animal welfare won't do anything about horses who belong to these people either.

myshirt wrote: »

Are you people for exclusion orders against horses in council areas? That is strange to say the least. Why should the horse suffer? These horses are as much a part of the community as other animal and in fact can be quite an important and positive force for very vulnerable young children who enjoy taking care of their horses.

Now i agree on the wider issue of provision of public services for these horses, but banning ownership in urban areas is uncalled for. The majority of these horses just graze locally during the day and mind their own business. In the very vast majority of cases, these horses are well taken care of; exercised regularly and what have you.

Traveller horses are one of the least well kept horses I've ever seen. They're abused and usually end up useless at a very young age. Most are not well kept. I don't know why you think they are. I live in Limerick. I've seen these horses and it disgusts me. Part of the community and part of the culture.. I don't give a damn. They abuse their horses for the most part. Just one walk around one of their horse fairs and you'll see how badly they're treated.

Also, horse's do not belong in a housing estate. A horse needs at least an acre of land each and that's bare minimum. And the "exercise" they get? Yeah, that usually has them mangled by the time they're even fully grown.

Roger Hassenforder · 24-04-2015 06:46PM

Why in the name of sweet baby Jesus should the state have to contribute towards the upkeep and welfare of horses in these areas?

fryup · 24-04-2015 06:51PM

you couldn't get any scummier than inner-city Limerick

Too Tough To Die · 24-04-2015 06:56PM

That is, as they say, Limerick City.

MRnotlob606 · 24-04-2015 06:58PM

iDave wrote: »

Scumbags gonna scumbag

is that a new taylor swift song. Soouunds classss boyyy

seanaway · 24-04-2015 06:59PM

scum. some country we live in. politicians are as much t blame as anyone else. They haven;t got the guts to bring in laws that make people like this REALLY pay.

johnny osbourne · 24-04-2015 07:00PM

i read that as "herself" stabbed to death in limerick

Galwayguy35 · 24-04-2015 07:01PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Why in the name of sweet baby Jesus should the state have to contribute towards the upkeep and welfare of horses in these areas?

Sure the state pays for everything else for them so it might as well go the whole 9 yards and pay for their animals too.

myshirt · 24-04-2015 07:10PM

Providing facilities for horses is a good tool to pull up vulnerable kids from a life not otherwise desirible. Most of these kids leave the education system as it does not appeal to their spirit, it's 'boring' to use the vernacular.

We attach too much importance to maths, languages and the arts. What way are our systems set up? They are set up to churn out university professors, with everyone else being a failure. I do think the state need to put the money into what appeals to these kids spirit to get bang for your buck. Much more value than a failing education system that ostracises poor kids and which is more designed to cater for the upper classes. The Arts, who in gods name gives a sh¡t about the arts.

myshirt · 24-04-2015 07:15PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Sure the state pays for everything else for them so it might as well go the whole 9 yards and pay for their animals too.

You are missing the point. The money has to be spent one way or the other. And it is cheaper and more sociologically advantageous to spend it on getting good outcomes for these kids, than to be shackling them up. They love horses. Horses are a great tool to put manners on a young man who'd otherwise be sitting around scratching his stones.

Yurt2 · 24-04-2015 07:19PM

myshirt wrote: »

Providing facilities for horses is a good tool to pull up vulnerable kids from a life not otherwise desirible. Most of these kids leave the education system as it does not appeal to their spirit, it's 'boring' to use the vernacular.

We attach too much importance to maths, languages and the arts. What way are our systems set up? They are set up to churn out university professors, with everyone else being a failure. I do think the state need to put the money into what appeals to these kids spirit to get bang for your buck. Much more value than a failing education system that ostracises poor kids and which is more designed to cater for the upper classes. The Arts, who in gods name gives a sh¡t about the arts.

Horses are not toys for damaged youths. They are not a 'tool'.
Horses are not for urban settings.

Give them an instrument, put them in a boxing club or a judo club. But don't allow them to have a complex, sensitive, high maintenance animal until they are proven to be responsible for it and can pay for it's upkeep in appropriate facilities.

You're putting the 'needs' of these youths above the dignity of the animals.

Ave Sodalis · 24-04-2015 07:20PM

myshirt wrote: »

Providing facilities for horses is a good tool to pull up vulnerable kids from a life not otherwise desirible. Most of these kids leave the education system as it does not appeal to their spirit, it's 'boring' to use the vernacular.

We attach too much importance to maths, languages and the arts. What way are our systems set up? They are set up to churn out university professors, with everyone else being a failure. I do think the state need to put the money into what appeals to these kids spirit to get bang for your buck. Much more value than a failing education system that ostracises poor kids and which is more designed to cater for the upper classes. The Arts, who in gods name gives a sh¡t about the arts.

I agree! Horses help troubled children extraordinarily. However, the horse doesn't need to be subjected to abuse to do so. It's far far more beneficial if the kids got to go to a riding school with well kept horses and learned to look after them properly and got to spend time with them that way. The horse doesn't have to suffer...

myshirt · 24-04-2015 07:28PM

What about greyhounds? Aren't there a load of well to do people shooting these on a weekly basis. How come that is not in focus, but instead we have a conversation about marginalused people who do take care of horses, but yes could do with a leg up and more investment.

These horses are valued, taken care of and a positive thing to be involved in in a community. They are entitled to be in the estate and be part of the square, as i said they generally mind their own business and just chew on a bit of grass. The kids love them.

Roger Hassenforder · 24-04-2015 07:28PM

fryup wrote: »

you couldn't get any scummier than inner-city Limerick

you don't really know Limerick do you?

Ave Sodalis · 24-04-2015 07:32PM

myshirt wrote: »

What about greyhounds? Aren't there a load of well to do people shooting these on a weekly basis. How come that is not in focus, but instead we have a conversation about marginalused people who do take care of horses, but yes could do with a leg up and more investment.

These horses are valued, taken care of and a positive thing to be involved in in a community. They are entitled to be in the estate and be part of the square, as i said they generally mind their own business and just chew on a bit of grass. The kids love them.

They are not taken care of. They are not entitled to be in estates when it's cruel. They are abused and they suffer. I have seen these animals. I know a lot about horses. There is so much wrong with the way they're kept in housing estates.

This thread isn't about greyhounds, it's about the horse in Limerick that was stabbed.

myshirt · 24-04-2015 07:32PM

sup_dude wrote: »

I agree! Horses help troubled children extraordinarily. However, the horse doesn't need to be subjected to abuse to do so. It's far far more beneficial if the kids got to go to a riding school with well kept horses and learned to look after them properly and got to spend time with them that way. The horse doesn't have to suffer...

Well let's get the investment in there. But don't for a second think everyone is stabbing horses. They are being taken care of, fair enough not to racehorse level, but they are being taken care of better than some people themselves are. No need to suggest banning ownership.

Ave Sodalis · 24-04-2015 07:35PM

myshirt wrote: »

Well let's get the investment in there. But don't for a second think everyone is stabbing horses. They are being taken care of, fair enough not to racehorse level, but they are being taken care of better than some people themselves are. No need to suggest banning ownership.

I don't think they're all being stabbed. I know they are living in terrible conditions though. They aren't better looked after than people. The treatment and condition of Traveller horses is on the complete opposite scale to racehorses. It's the lowest of the low. I wouldn't wish a horse the life of those horses in any circumstances.

Yurt2 · 24-04-2015 07:36PM

myshirt wrote: »

What about greyhounds? Aren't there a load of well to do people shooting these on a weekly basis. How come that is not in focus, but instead we have a conversation about marginalused people who do take care of horses, but yes could do with a leg up and more investment.

These horses are valued, taken care of and a positive thing to be involved in in a community. They are entitled to be in the estate and be part of the square, as i said they generally mind their own business and just chew on a bit of grass. The kids love them.

I've seen way too many neglected and abused horses throughout the years to be glib about the whole thing.

If there aren't appropriate facilities and an adult legally responsible for the animal, they shouldn't be there. End of story.

The welfare of the horses should come before the quaint rosy 'needs' of estate kids who have other outlets and frequently get bored and neglect the animals. If they cared so much they'd pool their money and make sure the horses are looked after in the best possible facilities, but they don't. And other people are picking up the tab for this farce.

I'd refer you to the quote I highlighted earlier where Roscommon Co.Council are spending more money putting down horses than on social housing. Madness, and it should set alarm bells ringing in your head.

Odelay · 24-04-2015 07:38PM

myshirt wrote: »

What about greyhounds? Aren't there a load of well to do people shooting these on a weekly basis.

What are you on about now?

myshirt · 24-04-2015 07:38PM

I spoke to a chap this afternoon who said some horses in Limerick are actually specifically robbed for order for some leading fairs. Only a number of months ago did he get back his horse (foalless) half way up the country, who had been boxed and stolen.

The market doesnT lie, why would there be such demand for these horses if they were badly taken care of?

Roger Hassenforder · 24-04-2015 07:39PM

myshirt wrote: »

Providing facilities for horses is a good tool to pull up vulnerable kids from a life not otherwise desirible. Most of these kids leave the education system as it does not appeal to their spirit, it's 'boring' to use the vernacular.

We attach too much importance to maths, languages and the arts. What way are our systems set up? They are set up to churn out university professors, with everyone else being a failure. I do think the state need to put the money into what appeals to these kids spirit to get bang for your buck. Much more value than a failing education system that ostracises poor kids and which is more designed to cater for the upper classes. The Arts, who in gods name gives a sh¡t about the arts.

we attach importance to maths, languages, arts etc. as part of an education.
An education that might go some way to breaking the cycles of teenage pregnancy, poverty, unemployment, delinquency, crime etc., you know, what you might call their "spirit". We're not talking native Americans taken off prairies and put into ghettos FFS.

Rather than holding their parents responsible, pump more scarce resources in these areas to pay for a horse? is there any evidence such programmes provide positive outcomes for these kids? While I'm sure some of them love their horses, and maybe could find a career in the horse industry, would we end up with scumbags with the state paying for their equestrian hobby as well as everything else. Education and responsibility is the key, not subsidised f**king horses.

my kids would love a horse, i can hardly afford a feckin cat.

Ave Sodalis · 24-04-2015 07:41PM

myshirt wrote: »

I spoke to a chap this afternoon who said some horses in Limerick are actually specifically robbed for order for some leading fairs. Only a number of months ago did he get back his horse (foalless) half way up the country, who had been boxed and stolen.

The market doesnT lie, why would there be such demand for these horses if they were badly taken care of?

Demand by other Travellers.

I'm not lying either. I'm heavily involved in the horse industry. As are others in this thread. Not only that, I live in Limerick and have seen the horses up close.

Ave Sodalis · 24-04-2015 07:43PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

we attach importance to maths, languages, arts etc. as part of an education.
An education that might go some way to breaking the cycles of teenage pregnancy, poverty, unemployment, delinquency, crime etc., you know, what you might call their "spirit". We're not talking native Americans taken off prairies and put into ghettos FFS.

Rather than holding their parents responsible, pump more scarce resources in these areas to pay for a horse? is there any evidence such programmes provide positive outcomes for these kids? While I'm sure some of them love their horses, and maybe could find a career in the horse industry, would we end up with scumbags with the state paying for their equestrian hobby as well as everything else. Education and responsibility is the key, not subsidised f**king horses.

my kids would love a horse, i can hardly afford a feckin cat.

There is actually evidence that horses are a great help for troubled kids, or autistic. They're starting to take horses into prisons as part of the rehab programmes. However, these are controlled environments where the horse's welfare is paramount. A mistreated horse doesn't work for this. They lose their spirit and drive which is what people connect with and makes the programmes work.

Roger Hassenforder · 24-04-2015 07:46PM

Yurt! wrote: »

I've seen way too many neglected and abused horses throughout the years to be glib about the whole thing.

I'd refer you to the quote I highlighted earlier where Roscommon Co.Council are spending more money putting down horses than on social housing. Madness, and it should set alarm bells ringing in your head.

I reckon you misheard something?

from 2013 Roscommon Annual report:
http://www.roscommoncoco.ie/en/Publications/Annual-Report-2013.pdf

235 stray horses were seized and impounded in 2013 of which 10 were
reclaimed by their owners. Expenditure is recouped from the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine.

Social houses are delivered by a combination of the construction of houses, house purchases or turnkey
acquisitions depending on available finance under the SHIP. Forty houses were acquired in 2013 and 84 houses
(1 new, 3 acquisitions and 80 casual vacancies) were allocated in 2013.

must cost a lot to get a man and hosebox in Rocommon!!

myshirt · 24-04-2015 07:46PM

Odelay wrote: »

What are you on about now?

What i am going on about is that everytime these threads come up there always seems to be this sinister undertone to them. I always read people here criticising vulnerable people, never those who are well to do. Seems to be ok for them to shoot greyhounds.

Roger Hassenforder · 24-04-2015 07:48PM

sup_dude wrote: »

There is actually evidence that horses are a great help for troubled kids, or autistic. They're starting to take horses into prisons as part of the rehab programmes. However, these are controlled environments where the horse's welfare is paramount. A mistreated horse doesn't work for this. They lose their spirit and drive which is what people connect with and makes the programmes work.

we're not talking about Autistic kids. And the key is "controlled".

Do we just end up with trouble kids. That have a free horse?

Ave Sodalis · 24-04-2015 07:49PM

myshirt wrote: »

What i am going on about is that everytime these threads come up there always seems to be this sinister undertone to them. I always read people here criticising vulnerable people, never those who are well to do. Seems to be ok for them to shoot greyhounds.

This isn't about greyhounds. It's about horses. Start another thread about greyhounds if you feel so strongly about it.

The truth is, majority of Traveller horses are abused and neglected. No matter how many times you say otherwise. This is the sinister undertone.

Horse stabbed to death (in Limerick)

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