Horse stabbed to death (in Limerick)

Roger Hassenforder · 24-04-2015 04:59PM #1

Scumbags sink to new low in Limerick
Horse stabbed in row, and bleeds to death. It's not a Limerick bashing thread, it's a city love and have great time for.
Animal cruelty goes on in all levels of society, not just socio-economic deprived areas, but is it time to ban horse ownership in urban areas?

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/horse-bleeds-to-death-in-limerick-housing-estate-after-being-stabbed-31168049.html

myshirt · 24-04-2015 05:01PM

No. It's not time. That is an outrageous reaction. This guy was clearly a lunatic, others should not suffer.

Timberrrrrrrr · 24-04-2015 05:04PM

myshirt wrote: »

No. It's not time. That is an outrageous reaction. This guy was clearly a lunatic, others should not suffer.

The only ones to suffer are the horses, a housing estate is no place for an animal like a horse to be kept.

Kovu · 24-04-2015 05:07PM

Eh, I'm a bit lost at the part

Unable to move the animal, volunteers watched over it for four hours before it finally passed away.

Why not call a vet to put it down?

iDave · 24-04-2015 05:16PM

Scumbags gonna scumbag

myshirt · 24-04-2015 05:16PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The only ones to suffer are the horses, a housing estate is no place for an animal like a horse to be kept.

If there is adequate green area, and everyone is onside, including the horse, then why not?

Mint Aero · 24-04-2015 05:17PM

They've no business owning horses.

Timberrrrrrrr · 24-04-2015 05:17PM

myshirt wrote: »

If there is adequate green area, and everyone is onside, including the horse, then why not?

Green areas are not for keeping wildlife on and as for everyone being onside? :rolleyes:

myshirt · 24-04-2015 05:19PM

Timberrrr, it's not a gazelle we we on about here.

Galwayguy35 · 24-04-2015 05:19PM

Pity they didn't just end up stabbing each other instead of the poor horse, doubt they would be any great loss to society.

24-04-2015 05:19PM

OK lads, I've deleted a few posts, it's not that After Hours doesn't appreciate a good giggle, but people [understandably] get fairly upset at the mistreatment of animals, so rather than have people wound up and infracted or banned etc etc. It would be better to keep the thread serious and let everyone continue on with their access to the forum.

Also, please don't slag off the entire county of Limerick - for the same reasons as above.

You know what will wind people up so avoid those kind of posts.

Thanks.

Timberrrrrrrr · 24-04-2015 05:21PM

myshirt wrote: »

Timberrrr, it's not a gazelle we we on about here.

No you're right, It's a horse, A horse that does not belong in the middle of a housing estate.

eviltwin · 24-04-2015 05:21PM

myshirt wrote: »

If there is adequate green area, and everyone is onside, including the horse, then why not?

Green areas were not designed for horses. No food, no water, no shelter, no protection from the elements or other people or animals not to mention the risk they pose to children, motorists....if you love your animal you wouldn't make them live like that.

Hans Bricks · 24-04-2015 05:37PM

And yet this is the norm (in terms irresponsible and inadequate horse ownership) across the country. Every kip of a council estate has at least a few of these poor unfortunate majestics being left tied to a tree with fishing rope on a green area opposite knackerfest villas.

The local councils and Gardai seriously need to put the foot down with regards to idle, feral horses. I actually do know one or two lads who keep their horses in local stables and treat the horse like their own child, but they're a very seldom minority.

Hans Bricks · 24-04-2015 05:39PM

A fine example of such blatant disregard can or at least could have been seen in Neilstown, where the same horse was left tied to the same tree just over a few hundred feet down from Ronanstown Garda station.

the dark phantom · 24-04-2015 05:40PM

If they can do that to a poor Horse then they are well capable of doing it to a human, Scum.

myshirt · 24-04-2015 05:43PM

Are you people for exclusion orders against horses in council areas? That is strange to say the least. Why should the horse suffer? These horses are as much a part of the community as other animal and in fact can be quite an important and positive force for very vulnerable young children who enjoy taking care of their horses.

Now i agree on the wider issue of provision of public services for these horses, but banning ownership in urban areas is uncalled for. The majority of these horses just graze locally during the day and mind their own business. In the very vast majority of cases, these horses are well taken care of; exercised regularly and what have you.

eviltwin · 24-04-2015 05:51PM

myshirt wrote: »

Are you people for exclusion orders against horses in council areas? That is strange to say the least. Why should the horse suffer? These horses are as much a part of the community as other animal and in fact can be quite an important and positive force for very vulnerable young children who enjoy taking care of their horses.

Now i agree on the wider issue of provision of public services for these horses, but banning ownership in urban areas is uncalled for. The majority of these horses just graze locally during the day and mind their own business. In the very vast majority of cases, these horses are well taken care of; exercised regularly and what have you.

It's not the horses that are the problem, it's the bloody owners. Animals should only be kept by people who are prepared to care for them. You can't let a horse live off grass with no water source or access to veterinary care, proper grooming etc. They destroy green areas with their sh!t, they are never brought indoors or fed appropriate food. It's cruel. Scum like that shouldn't be trusted with a goldfish.

byhookorbycrook · 24-04-2015 05:52PM

myshirt wrote: »

The majority of these horses just graze locally during the day and mind their own business. In the very vast majority of cases, these horses are well taken care of; exercised regularly and what have you.

A green area where a horse is tethered by a rope is not "grazing locally" in the sense of what a horse needs. "Exercised regularly" where?

I am a horse owner and I don't own land. So I pay for my horse to use a field where he can roam freely, get good grass and water as he needs it. He has shelter from the hedges and trees but more importantly he can be stabled in poor weather or to escape flies on hot days. During the winter he gets good quality fodder as he needs it.

I don't exercise him on the road, I wouldn't submit him to traffic whizzing past and the chance of him getting a fright or injured.

I paid for his passport and to have him micro-chipped. I pay for the vet when he needs it and would be horrified to think someone would allow an animal to suffer as the one above did.

I am by no means wealthy, but my horse is valuable to me and I only have one horse, because that is all I can afford

A green in a housing estate is no place for any horse.

myshirt · 24-04-2015 05:56PM

eviltwin wrote: »

....if you love your animal you wouldn't make them live like that.

If you have any decent sense of what it means to be humane, you wouldn't have let people live like they did in those areas.

There absolutely needs to be a levy on the earnings of the communities that had the money and opportunity pumped into them over the years, and that levy needs to be ringfenced into these disadvantaged communitues. Developing facilities for horses can be one arm of this. This absolutely needs to be the case if we are going to be sincere in our response, it is not good enough to be looking down one's nose. Stump up the cash.

eviltwin · 24-04-2015 06:01PM

myshirt wrote: »

If you have any decent sense of what it means to be humane, you wouldn't have let people live like they did in those areas.

There absolutely needs to be a levy on the earnings of the communities that had the money and opportunity pumped into them over the years, and that levy needs to be ringfenced into these disadvantaged communitues. Developing facilities for horses can be one arm of this. This absolutely needs to be the case if we are going to be sincere in our response, it is not good enough to be looking down one's nose. Stump up the cash.

I live in an area that would be classed as deprived, there is nothing wrong with how I live. There is nothing wrong with how the majority here live. I don't believe anyone living in a more affluent area owes me or my neighbourhood anything. The people who live in squalor here are that way largely through their own actions.

Kermit.de.frog · 24-04-2015 06:01PM

All horses, in my opinion, should be taken from all council estates no questions asked with criminal charges brought against the "owners".

myshirt · 24-04-2015 06:08PM

@eviltwin

Well you possibly don't understand sociology and the econimics of the issue then. You have been short changed and not know it. Though i do agree personally with you, one has to take ownership for their own situation, and this certainly has it's role.

Read a bit of Des McCaffrey.

Hans Bricks · 24-04-2015 06:10PM

Theres equine centers in nearly every working class suburb with a horse culture in it. Clondalkin, Cherry Orchard, Finglas, Fettercairn in Tallaght. Theres no excuses for dumping an animal on the local green area.

Yurt2 · 24-04-2015 06:10PM

Caught something on the radio today, from Roscommon Co.Council who claimed they spend more money putting down neglected/abused horses than they do on accommodation/social housing. Outrageous.

Round my area, it's a common enough sight to see malnourished horses kept on scrubland. Had to report it a number of times over the years.

And the sight of a certain clientele 'breaking in' their horses is enough to want you hop out of your car and start clobbering them.

myshirt · 24-04-2015 06:11PM

Hans, very limited services in Limerick.

eviltwin · 24-04-2015 06:15PM

myshirt wrote: »

@eviltwin

Well you possibly don't understand sociology and the econimics of the issue then. You have been short changed and not know it. Though i do agree personally with you, one has to take ownership for their own situation, and this certainly has it's role.

Read a bit of Des McCaffrey.

Ah yes us simple folk are being taken advantage of and we don't even know it :rolleyes: Do you realise how condescending that post comes across? We are the authors of our own destiny, we made the same choices as about 80% of the people here, go to college, work hard and take care of your responsibilities. A small amount choose a different path, their choice but stop making excuses for them.

Yurt2 · 24-04-2015 06:18PM

myshirt wrote: »

Hans, very limited services in Limerick.

No excuse to my mind. I don't have facilities for an elephant in my back yard, ergo I don't keep one. And I'm not asking the state to provide for my hobby. To claim then that horses are part of their culture. They don't treat the animals with dignity for the most part.

IamNotNumber · 24-04-2015 06:21PM

Remember this circus in Finglas..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaoJC7rBlzc

byhookorbycrook · 24-04-2015 06:21PM

Horses are part of my culture, I grew up in North Cork, Cahirmee horse fair, close to birthplaces of JohnJo O' Neill, Vincent O' Brien, site of the first steeplechase and so on. I didn't get a horse until I could pay for it to be looked after properly. I don't go to pubs, I don't go on foreign holidays, I put my money into my horse, because I want him to have the best life I can give him.

myshirt · 24-04-2015 06:33PM

eviltwin, don't mean to be condescending, so apolgies. Very much a large sociological and economic policy angle to the whole thing. That's it at it's basics. No one will fault you for charting your own path, well done, genuinely.

Very quick google gave this if of any interest, you really have been short changed for the benefit of others whether you beleive it or not, unfortunately. https://www.google.ie/url?q=http://www.combatpoverty.ie/publications/workingpapers/2011-02_WP_CombatingSocialDisadvantageInSocialHousingEstates.pdf&sa=U&ei=Pn06VZDYE8rC7AaxjYCwCw&ved=0CBIQFjAD&usg=AFQjCNGBa5QaSk2RlHAjxsH0548sc3bBHQ

Horse stabbed to death (in Limerick)

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