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  • #602
    Lollipops23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    stickybookmark wrote: »
    No you don't get me. Let's call the person who made the anonymous tip off Person A. How did Person A know that GD was anything to do with EOH?
    Why, when Person A heard that EOH body had been found, would they even link EOH to GD??

    Perhaps they were a friend of Elaine's and she confided in them about the texting?


  • #603
    brooke 2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭brooke 2


    stickybookmark wrote: »
    No you don't get me. Let's call the person who made the anonymous tip off Person A. How did Person A know that GD was anything to do with EOH?
    Why, when Person A heard that EOH body had been found, would they even link EOH to GD??

    EOH's remains were found on September 13th. She was identified through her
    dental records at the Dental Hospital.

    The BDSM paraphernalia and some items of women's clothing were discovered
    in Roundwood reservoir on September 10th and left into the local garda station
    the following day. A few days later, Garda O'Donoghue from Roundwood went up
    to the reservoir to carry out a search and discovered a set of keys which had a
    Dunnes Stores shopping tag attached to it. As you probably know, he contacted
    Dunnes Stores who informed him that the owner was EOH. When he put her name
    into PULSE, he discovered that she had been missing for almost thirteen months.
    He contacted his superiors and thus began the full blown investigation into her
    death.

    All the above occurred about the middle of September; the anonymous call was
    made on September 27th, iirc. Perhaps, some details which had been reported in
    the media in the intervening weeks had reminded the caller of Graham Dwyer?
    EOH was not the only woman he had attacked.


  • #604
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Lollipops23 wrote: »
    Perhaps they were a friend of Elaine's and she confided in them about the texting?
    I find it hard to believe that a friend or colleague of Elaine's would know this information and not mention it to Gardai when she first went missing. It's one of the first questions you ask in a missing person's case - have they recently been involved in any kind of relationship. Unfortunately outside of suicide, a partner is usually the culprit in any missing persons' case.

    I still maintain the Gardai knew but didn't want to alert him, but a theory posted a few posts back is pretty plausible. That Dwyer had a second submissive on the go who was aware of Elaine. When EOH went missing the sub probably wouldn't have been compelled to come forward - preferring to respect the anonymity of her relationship with Dwyer rather than potentially ruin it by needlessly coming forward if EOH had committed suicide.
    Then when EOH's body was found and a murder investigation confirmed, the sub would have seen fit to come forward with what she knew.

    Seems like a reasonable theory to me.


  • #605
    Lollipops23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    seamus wrote: »
    preferring to respect the anonymity of her relationship with Dwyer rather than potentially ruin it by needlessly coming forward if EOH had committed suicide.

    Seems like a reasonable theory to me.

    It does make sense that someone into the type of lifestyle would want to stay anon throughout the process. I can't imagine I'd want to discuss my sexual preferences in a courtroom unless I absolutely had to, and I'm not even into kink.


  • #606
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,380 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Sounds fairly obvious to me, you're in a relationship that involves BDSM..the guy seems a little too fond of the Knife and stabbing fantasies, ...you break it off because he's too rough, a girl is found dead, BDSM gear turns up in a resevoir...."jeeaysus that sounds like GD, i better make a call to the cops"


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  • #607
    Ice Storm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Ice Storm


    I thought that whoever made the anonymous tip off had said that Elaine had been involved with Graham Dwyer at the time of her disappearance?

    I know that she had mentioned to a few people that she was seeing someone and I believe she'd told her dad that he was an architect but I don't recall hearing about anyone from her friends / family who knew his identity.

    So maybe it did come from someone who knew about her through GD.


  • #608
    Simon2015
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Simon2015


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Whenever I hear or see stuff like this, I imagine that the vast majority of people that trot this bollocks out would shit themselves at the mere thought of spending a week inside.

    I woundn't mind going to jail I have not had a holiday in years.

    The prisons in Ireland are basically holiday camps.

    Just look at this video the prisoners in Portlaoise prison are having the time of their lives.




  • #609
    MonsterCookie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 959 ✭✭✭MonsterCookie


    Simon2015 wrote: »
    I woundn't mind going to jail I have not had a holiday in years.

    The prisons in Ireland are basically holiday camps.

    Just look at this video the prisoners in Portlaoise prison are having the time of their lives.



    So based on this, you'd like to be in there joining in the party with rapists, druggies, murders etc? Yeah right...


  • #610
    Dwarf.Shortage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭Dwarf.Shortage


    Simon2015 wrote: »
    I woundn't mind going to jail I have not had a holiday in years.

    The prisons in Ireland are basically holiday camps.

    Just look at this video the prisoners in Portlaoise prison are having the time of their lives.



    A s**t load of decrepit looking creatures singing badly out of tune and neither a drop of porter nor a member of the fairer sex in sight. Mate if that's comparable to your holidays you need to consider a new travel agent.


  • #611
    Roquentin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Roquentin


    the three chinese lads seem a bit confused (in the video)


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  • #612
    stickybookmark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭stickybookmark


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    Sounds fairly obvious to me, you're in a relationship that involves BDSM..the guy seems a little too fond of the Knife and stabbing fantasies, ...you break it off because he's too rough, a girl is found dead, BDSM gear turns up in a resevoir...."jeeaysus that sounds like GD, i better make a call to the cops"

    That's the thing though I don't think it was published in the papers that BDSM gear was found. The very first time I heard of BDSM being associated with this case was the opening week of the trial


  • #613
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 599 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Can anyone tell me what Graham Dwyers defense was? That it was an accidental stabbing or she stabbed herself? Haven't heard much about what his defense was.


  • #614
    HeidiHeidi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 33,615 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    sully2010 wrote: »
    Can anyone tell me what Graham Dwyers defense was? That it was an accidental stabbing or she stabbed herself? Haven't heard much about what his defense was.
    He didn't put up a defence.


  • #615
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 599 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    HeidiHeidi wrote: »
    He didn't put up a defence.

    Oh right, cheers. Beggars belief how smug he was thinking he'd be acquited


  • #616
    saltandpepper10
    Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭saltandpepper10


    We're do the sheep come into this,two farmers were questioned about a couple of dead sheep was he suspected of stabbing those aswell:eek:


  • #617
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    saltandpepper10 wrote: »
    We're do the sheep come into this,two farmers were questioned about a couple of dead sheep was he suspected of stabbing those aswell:eek:

    One of his texts talked about stabbing a dead sheep


  • #618
    Simon2015
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Simon2015


    Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »
    A s**t load of decrepit looking creatures singing badly out of tune and neither a drop of porter nor a member of the fairer sex in sight. Mate if that's comparable to your holidays you need to consider a new travel agent.


    Well atleast I would get free sports and a free gym etc.

    In many ways the prisoners are better off than me.


  • #619
    Roquentin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Roquentin


    Simon2015 wrote: »
    Well atleast I would get free sports and a free gym etc.

    In many ways the prisoners are better off than me.

    no bills as well


  • #620
    Simon2015
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Simon2015


    Roquentin wrote: »
    no bills as well


    Its no wonder most prisoners keep reoffending is because they have it too easy in jail.


  • #621
    Roquentin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Roquentin


    Simon2015 wrote: »
    Its no wonder most prisoners keep reoffending is because they have it too easy in jail.

    yea i remember telling someone once that id nearly start growing and distributing weed just to be caught and get put in jail and never have to worry about another day in my life.


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  • #622
    LadyAthame
    Closed Accounts Posts: 793 ✭✭✭LadyAthame


    John_Rambo wrote: »

    In the end Dwyer shattered lots of lives. Elaine's family, His Dads, his kids, his wife's and his sons. Shame on him.

    His kids will know about this at some stage. It's not like years ago, unfortunately you can't just hide these things years down the line any more. Very sad.
    I imagine the wife and kids will seek new identities if possible.


  • #623
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,380 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    did everyone miss the case? The entire case was live tweeted you can read all the facts there


  • #624
    haveringchick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    sully2010 wrote: »
    Can anyone tell me what Graham Dwyers defense was? That it was an accidental stabbing or she stabbed herself? Haven't heard much about what his defense was.

    His defence lasted one 1/2 hour. His arrogance was breathtaking. He decided aapparently that the prosecutions evidence was so weak that there was no possibility of a conviction.
    Now I can't imagine that his defence team agreed with him so obviously they were just following his instructions.
    He ggenuinely seemed to be saying "yes I killed it. It didn't deserve to live anyway, but bbecause im so clever , you can't prove I killed it. So go ahead and have your silly trial. I'll walk out of here at the end and go back to my old life and I'll sue the state for defamation and stressing me out. You people should be thanking me for ddisposing of rubbish like that thing that I killed".


  • #625
    Mallagio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭Mallagio


    Simon2015 wrote: »
    Well atleast I would get free sports and a free gym etc.

    In many ways the prisoners are better off than me.

    Out of interest, what would you do with criminals?


  • #626
    Simon2015
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Simon2015


    Mallagio wrote: »
    Out of interest, what would you do with criminals?


    The likes of Graham Dwyer I would have put down hes a waste of oxygen.


  • #627
    Mallagio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭Mallagio


    Simon2015 wrote: »
    The likes of Graham Dwyer I would have put down hes a waste of oxygen.

    You might have a point there in regards to GD, but what about the rest of the criminals that are sentenced to time?


  • #628
    Simon2015
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Simon2015


    Mallagio wrote: »
    what about the rest of the criminals that are sentenced to time?


    I'd take away their sky sports etc.


  • #629
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,734 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    saltandpepper10 wrote: »
    We're do the sheep come into this,two farmers were questioned about a couple of dead sheep was he suspected of stabbing those aswell:eek:

    Dwyer texted about stabbing a sheep.

    Dwyer's defence team had two sheep farmers on the stand and asked them if they found any dead sheep on the day he texted about them. (both farmed where Dwyer flew his toy airplanes). There were no dead sheep.

    Defence; Graham Dwyer texted about a lot of things (including stabbing). Not all of them actually happened.


  • #630
    Sala
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭Sala


    I Thought I read an article before the trial saying he was suffering mentally after he killed her, but I can't seem to find it and it doesn't seem to fit in with everything saying he showed no remorse? Did anyone else read that? I presume that would have been an element of the trial so I must be mistaken or the article/blog was


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  • #631
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,311 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Roquentin wrote: »
    yea i remember telling someone once that id nearly start growing and distributing weed just to be caught and get put in jail and never have to worry about another day in my life.
    Why don't you,you don't appear to be exactly having a whale of a time on the outside!


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