Assault on Paul Deaton

Smidge · 19-04-2015 02:41AM

conorhal wrote: »

I'd suspect that their parents haven't done a single decent thing in their lives, which is probably why they've raised a bunch of sociopathic animals and unleashed them on the rest of us.

That's not always true.
I know of and worked with some unusual families.
One, both mother and father always worked. Full time, all their lives.
From "deprived" area. But incredibly respectable people who kept a home and not state dependant(not drinkers or smokers either).
Five children.
All addicts. All criminals to one degree or another(prostitution/armed robbery/drugs charges you name it, they probably did it)
Mother and father couldn't do a damn thing about it. It genuinely broke their hearts. They both died relatively young(50's)and within a short space of each other. They just couldn't take the pain, I guess.....

hatrickpatrick · 19-04-2015 04:11AM

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Unfortunately the type of kids that would do this don't come with a sign saying "I'm a scumbag".

The thing is, they often do. Bajillions of previous convictions. In trouble in school all the time. Bullying. Animal cruelty. Random abuse of passers by.

And when these signs are present, we do absolutely sweet f*ck all to deal with it before it escalates to the kind of sh!te we're talking about here.

I want to know how many previous convictions these idiots have, and why if the number is more than one or two as I suspect, they were still free to roam the streets. It has nothing to do with background, class or anything else - people of a violent or sadistic disposition should be kept away from civilised society until such time as the aforementioned traits have been rectified.

The priorities of our judges when it comes to sentencing are f*cking ridiculous. I simply don't believe that there are too many violent scumbags for our prisons or detention centres to handle at full capacity, I believe that people who commit lesser crimes are prioritised for serving time while "anti social behaviour" (why the hell is this regarded as distinct from "violent crime"? That's exactly what it is, pure and simple) is slapped on the wrist again and again.

Am I honestly the only person who has a problem with this setup? I can't be the only one who has noticed the extreme level of scumbag impunity in the courts here, and to claim that there's no correlation between impunity and widespread law breaking is utterly nonsensical.

LDN_Irish · 19-04-2015 08:17AM

bodhrandude wrote: »

These guys that did this they should be sent to a borstal like the good old days in the 1970s, 1980s. If anyone wants to know what a borstal is I recommend you watch Scum from 1979, do they still exist in the UK? Is there a prison here for young offenders. Sorry its more questions than adding anything really to the thread.

They replaced borstals with Young Offenders Institutions, Feltham is the most well known in England and I suppose St Pats is the best known Irish equivalent. Borstal was really bad for society. 8 put of 10 reoffended within 2 years. If you liked Scum you my like a TV movie (don't let that put you off) called Made In Britain, Tim Roth's debut performance, he's great in it. Made in 83, full thing is on youtube.

Edit: link

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w3imgDksNSs

Cold War Kid · 19-04-2015 11:40AM

foggy_lad wrote: »

You said

And I said all the other stuff too. They're still entirely responsible for what they do, and deserve punishment. You're pretending I said "Oh god love them, they had a hard life - leave them off" which it's often pretended people say here (even though they don't) but all I said was, if children all had better upbringings there would be less crime of this nature, and I stand by it. It doesn't in the slightest excuse them, and you should be able to see this.

But I am saying that the same and worse circumstances that millions of others grow up with have not made them into monsters, so what is different about these few reprobates?

Some people are just horrible, and a terrible upbringing will make them worse. Although I don't agree with people saying it's the parents' fault - it often is, but not always.

SILVAMAN · 19-04-2015 11:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So everyone would contest matters, there being no benefit to a guilty plea.

In that case the sentence ought to be hefty.
Today's young thugs have been brought up on a diet of no discipline and instilled with the do-gooder's philosophy that anyone under the age of 18 cannot be touched by the police as they are legally a child and that they will be immune to sanction for their criminal behaviour. They refuse to own up to their irresponsibility and are content to let the do-gooders in society shield them from punishment.
Mandatory sentencing, and if you have had free legal aid and lose, a garnishing of any cheque welfare or work post prison to pay for your lawyer.
hope whatever judge these thugs eventually face will have the balls to throw the book at them, and that their social workers will have the decency and moral strength to demand a custodial sentence.

folamh · 19-04-2015 11:43PM

There's little more heart-wrenchingly upsetting than innocent, vulnerable people suffering. The thought of what poor Paul had to go through and what must've been going through his mind as these brutes had their fun genuinely me want to cry. How can people be so malicious?

califano · 24-04-2015 10:03AM

Id see him on a regular basis passing him on the way home mostly as he would hang around outside the credit union on the Malahide road and pop into all the shops on that stretch. The shop keepers on that stretch and locals would know him as harmless. I have also seen him travelling on the bus on numerous occasions. Hes harmless but one thing he has a habit of is staring(he doesnt realise hes staring) and in a public setting of a street or especially Fairview park where scummers pass i wasnt overly surprised to read this.

walkingshadow · 24-04-2015 10:43AM

Did they catch those thugs yet?

califano · 24-04-2015 12:19PM

No but i think the family are renewing an appeal according to one of the online rags.

bjork · 24-04-2015 12:21PM

I thought they were on CCTV?

Show the CCTV footage >>Get the public to help trace them

ashdale5 · 26-05-2015 09:59AM

Paul visited ECI JCB yesterday -

http://www.todayfm.com/Paul-Deatons-visit-to-ECI-JCB-

26-05-2015 10:08AM

Those smiles say it all!

Delighted he got a nice day out, poor chap. At least he's experiencing the nicer side of human nature, and I hope it goes a tiny part of the way to healing him after his awful experience.

osarusan · 26-05-2015 10:09AM

Very nice end to what started as a horrible story.

Well done to JCB and to all the people who made it happen

kfallon · 26-05-2015 10:10AM

That's made my day!

godtabh · 26-05-2015 10:16AM

Was that as a resulted of the OP on this thread? Either way far play to who ever sorted it

rob316 · 27-05-2015 05:32PM

Having a son with special needs this story and another incident in Carrigaline upset me.
Delighted to see those pictures of his visit, fair play to the OP if he planted the seed for this to happen.
Restores my faith in humanity.

Assault on Paul Deaton

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