Graham Dwyer court case *READ FIRST POST BEFORE POSTING*

Shame, they put people(low profile) who
Elaine encounter. Why is it the 'high profile' people were allowed to be except from the trial!?

stickybookmark wrote: »

I rem we were chatting to a (detective) garda friend of my OH's at a christening and he was full sure Dwyer was going to get off becasue there was absolutely nothing linking him to the scene of the crime. No DNA evidence, even that paint analysis of the spade found at the scene didn't match the paint on his garden fence/shed.

Same here. The only people who seemed to think he would walk free were
Gardai I know!

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Are you saying that anyone with a mental illness cant give consent?

Elaine actively sought someone for stabbing and bloodletting on that website, her profile listed these activities as something she enjoyed. One of her partners who was a witness said he couldn't keep up with her. Her and Dwyers relationship was for the most part consensual.

“I’m going to chain you to a tree and rape you,” he says. There is discussion about what turns her on and she warns, “Don’t even try to stab me.”
“I am a sadist, I enjoy other’s pain. You should help me inflict pain on you,” he says. “Yes, sir,” Ms O’Hara responds. He tells her she is a “good girl” and if she helps him stab a girl she won’t get knifed.

On April 25th, the 083 user says he found a dead sheep yesterday. “Might go back after dark and see what it feels like to sink a knife into it,” he says. There is a discussion about him paying for a tattoo on her and another about killing someone. The 083 user says, “Everyone has to die sometime, it’s bad luck for whoever this is.” He would hit her across the head with a hammer, he says, so she doesn’t feel it and her heart is still working and he’d get “the full effect of the stabbing”.

On May 7th, Ms O’Hara texts that she has been to her psychiatrist but is “unfortunately not suicidal”. The 083 user responds that he is available to end it painlessly. “Just think, all your worries gone. I can fit you in on Thursday,” he says. He also says he knows she wants it; “Thirty seconds to put you into oblivion”. She asks him to “please stop”.

On May 24th, the sheep is discussed again and the 083 user says he was “laying low” in case the stabbing was investigated. He says he was “up flying” and took a peek and the animals had “picked the carcass clean”. “I want to do a woman next. It was a fantastic feeling, the knife going in and watching blood spurt out,” he says. They also discuss Ms O’Hara’s shortage of money and he suggests he will pay her €50 a stab. "Nice try, I’m not giving blood for anything,” she responds.

The 083 user later says he is thinking of visiting a prostitute to see how easy it is to kill. He also suggests they could find “a young female auctioneer”. He tells her he will kill someone only if he has a “perfect plan”. “Lots of people have stabbed and got away with it, why not me?” he asks.



Irish Times reports from the court, whatever consent Elaine O'Hara could be perceived to have given is completely debased by her diminished capacity to give it and the extent to which he manipulated her into giving it.

"Her and Dwyers relationship was for the most part consensual."

True, nobody is trying to charge him for "raping", stabbing or restraining her as that was all done with consent. The small part of their relationship that wasn't consensual was him deliberately killing her and this is what he has been convicted of. Her sexual preferences have little to do with that.

ViveLaVie wrote: »

What about Larry Murphy?

People like Larry Murphy will never be comfortable in life, (always be hiding) the same with GD! If GD ever gets out of prison he'd never be able to live a 'normal' life, unless he's given a change identify and plastic surgery.

Frigga_92 wrote: »

Personally I think the less talk about Dwyer's wife the better. She has done nothing wrong. Do people not think she is questioning herself enough as it is? Chastising herself for not noticing, raking over all their years together trying to think of signs she missed, full of shame knowing that a large portion of the population is questioning her marriage etc etc.
She assisted the Gardai, gave evidence, she did everything in her power to help the investigation, the prosecution etc and that should be enough.
I hope that she can rebuild her life and move on from this in privacy.

A few too many drinks last night.
I agree, but mind wandered.

She may even have been the anonymous tip off...

Allyall wrote: »

It's not relevant, but I'd be very very very surprised to be told his Wife didn't know he had some sort of f*cked up fetish.


And the Computer, and the witnesses and the stuff found in the resevoir, and the Garda that followed it up, and the Dog that uncovered her remains and...

No just the two phones. Had he destroyed them then they could find as many bodies and witnesses and guards and dogs as they wished and they wouldn't have a shred of hard evidence against him. I'm afraid 'It wos the phones wot done 'im M'Lord'

Frigga_92 wrote: »

Personally I think the less talk about Dwyer's wife the better. She has done nothing wrong. Do people not think she is questioning herself enough as it is? Chastising herself for not noticing, raking over all their years together trying to think of signs she missed, full of shame knowing that a large portion of the population is questioning her marriage etc etc.
She assisted the Gardai, gave evidence, she did everything in her power to help the investigation, the prosecution etc and that should be enough.
I hope that she can rebuild her life and move on from this in privacy.

Absolutely.
That poor woman.
Wherever she goes hopefully she'll be helped get on with her life with dignity.

Allyall wrote: »

A few too many drinks last night.
I agree, but mind wandered.

She may even have been the anonymous tip off...

I doubt it for two reasons - I'd say that GD compartmentalised his life to the extent that his wife was totally unaware of his urges. He made that mistake once with his ex and she lived in fear of him. If there had been any similarities within his marriage to his true self the prosecution would have used that to strengthen their circumstantial evidence - sensitivities of a wife aside.

My guess is that it was his other sub, The high-ranking professional working in the civil service. Why else would a superintendent rake through a bin of a suspect? She may have known about EOH going missing but assumed that she killed herself, like everyone else did. When the stuff was found in the reservoir and her remains in location 20km away from her car, it was the beginnings of a suspicious death investigation, not a missing persons report.