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3 New Navy Vessels for Irish Naval Service
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The above is from the UK Sunday Times. I hadn't heard that there was also an objection from Yeats' family.
It was silly to name the vessel after someone who hated an independent Ireland. Really our vessels should be named after prominent Irish leaders who fought for our independence, not those who despised it. Maybe it's not too late to name the remaining two the LÉ Collins and LÉ Tone.
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The Irish Naval Service posted pics of the keel laying for P63 on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.805187996230765.1073742089.101764433239795&type=1
Lovely. Now if only the government were to buy the 3 River Class vessels currently under construction from the UK to replace the Eithne and Peacocks...... 0 -
Lovely. Now if only the government were to buy the 3 River Class vessels currently under construction from the UK to replace the Eithne and Peacocks......
I doubt very much the Navy will do, or want to do that.
If the Rivers were suitable for the Navy's needs then I'm sure they'd have looked to buy the 3 Amazonas class ships the Brazilians picked up after the T and T sale fell through.
As I see it, the Navy want ships that meet it's requirements, not second hand hand me downs.
As it is, after P64, theres a requirement for three ships to replace the Peacocks and Eithne, the NS have expressed a desire for one, possibly two EPV/MRV's.If the white paper doesn't recommend a larger fleet, then buying the rivers just plugs the gap with 2nd hand vessels and kills off any possibility of getting larger flexible vessels for at least 15 years.
The other problem is the supply chain, as it is, parts, guns, engines etc have commonality between the P50's and P60's. The rivers are a 2nd /3rd ship type, Cheap upfront, but it doubles the Logs chain. Expensive for a small navy.
In any case, I'd imagine the Navy found them unsuitable in the past or as I said, they'd have pitched for the Amazonas.I'd imagine this would have something to do with sea keeping in rough sea states 2/300 miles out in the North Atlantic, something the NS do daily, something the RN Rivers may never do, seeing as they're very much "home fleet".
Buying stuff just coz is something we've grown out of, long may it continue.0 -
Lovely. Now if only the government were to buy the 3 River Class vessels currently under construction from the UK to replace the Eithne and Peacocks......
Why? They are over twice what the Beckett's cost (and all the supply chain issues Herald mentioned), besides at best the RN will keep the new hulls and surplus the older ones, so half their lifespan would be gone before we even got them.0 -
Lovely. Now if only the government were to buy the 3 River Class vessels currently under construction from the UK to replace the Eithne and Peacocks......
If the Peacocks were being replaced there would have to be at least one similar size vessel bought.
Dont forget the Irish Naval Service is one of the smallest navies in the world.0 -
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There's far too much duplication and inefficiencies among the many militaries of the EU. There needs to be a unified command structure linking all nation's forces together, with common weapons and equipment procurement for all member states. Also there should exist a single EU force that owns and operates large naval vessels like aircraft carriers and amphibious assault ships where national forces able to utilise them for missions. A bit like the UK-France defence agreement that allows each others facilities being made available to the other, such as Britain using the De Gaulle until its own carriers are ready.
The F-35 is a massive overpriced lemon that will end up reducing the operational capabilities of those countries that have foolishly adopted it. Countries who have ordered them should cancel their orders and instead opt for de facto 5th Gen fighters like the Super Hornet.
The joint procurement idea has been tried for decades, and no matter how much it should make sense, the reality is that at best it ends up overpriced and vastly behind schedule, at worst it ends with the nations throwing their hands up blaming the others and walking away. This is shown from MBT's,missiles, helicopters, fighters, transports, SSK's, Frigates. It never works out. No nation is going to put it's own workforce out of a job by allowing one of the other nations take over the lead (for example, France and the UK WILL NEVER dojoint SSN's even though the price tag should suggest it, or if you take the SSK's we have about 4 different designs on the go in Europe all competing for exports, which dockyard would agree to let go their design staff and let another nation do all the high value work (Germany should be doing all the design as they have the best exports, but France, Spain, Sweden would never agree to that)).
There has been very limited joint operational ownership (C-17 and AWAC's come to mind), but they are US hardware that NATO is running, not something the EU is involved in.
As to the 35 yeah it's going to be an over priced stone on everyone's neck (what the hell was the UK thinking about going with the
but the US has put HUGE diplomatic and organisational pressure on getting nations to buy it, some nations were made offers they couldn't refuse. 0 -
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