Graham Dwyer court case *READ FIRST POST BEFORE POSTING*

Roquentin wrote: »

yea, but couldnt they have seen the texts from elaines phone as in they check her phone records

Yes but they would have been to said untraceable phone? the two pay as you go phones in question were found side by side in the reservoir like, the issue was figuring out who had used them.

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Did his family support him through the trial and beyond??? Link.

Eh I know it's the Sunday World, but whatever.

http://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimedesk/loyal-dad-visits-dwyer-on-first-day-of-life-sentence

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The most bizarre aspect of this, with due respect to Dwyer's wife and family, was the way he conducted his "knife and murder fetish" silently to everyone who knew him.

Scary that someone can lead a double life without ANYONE beings suspicious.

How do they do that?

One would imagine his wife knew his sexual tendencies weren't exactly vanilla but had no idea of the degree to which they deviated from normal. He had brought a knife into the bedroom in an earlier relationship that had been serious enough to produce a child and I'd imagine after that lead to it turning sour he was more guarded with what he revealed to his wife. I doubt he could quite pull off the charade of being an everyday few-quick-pumps-then-a-cuddle merchant but I would imagine he hid it to a reasonable degree.

K4t wrote: »

I'm sure he has seen all the evidence and knows his son is guilty, but he's still not going to simply desert him or disown him, which is understandable. He probably remembers his son as a child and all the good memories and wonders how it got to this. Perhaps he blames himself in some way? Who knows.

Fair enough but perhaps if his first statement on the matter was to express sadness for what happened to EOH rather than saying he was standing by his son it might be a bit more appropriate.

realdanbreen wrote: »

Fair enough but perhaps if his first statement on the matter was to express sadness for what happened to EOH rather than saying he was standing by his son it might be a bit more appropriate.

Did Dwyer's father, or family make any statement?

As far as I recall, only Graham Dwyer made a statement, and he made no reference to the person he killed or her family either in that statement.

I cannot understand how a convicted killer is allowed to make any statement in the first place. They should be taken to prison and that is that. The jury has spoken.

Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »

One isn't afforded some specific right to make a statement, if he was taken straight to prison he could have just written his thoughts down and sent them to family or someone in the media to make public. He isn't afforded time to speak in the courtroom after he is convicted or anything like that, most likely he informed his legal team of what he wanted released in the case he was convicted.

Egotistical so and so!

tayto lover wrote: »

They may well have but they had no link to Dwyer as he bought the master phone in a ficticious name.

When EOH downloaded her list of phone contacts onto her computer, her text messages were also downloaded. Graham
Dwyer's name and some of her messages to him were among
those.

K4t wrote: »

What's odd is that I was obviously joking about wanting links to the porn he had on his pc (though I wouldn't mind having a look at them!), but I'm not sure you're joking about wanting him tortured; nor are many others in this thread. It's quite revealing.

Not obvious at all, you even said you wanted it for 'research' purposes. and just repeated that you wouldn't mind having a look at them...
You bullsh*tted in the same sentence..
His fetish, was to injure, maim, stab and murder someone. He wasn't forced (blackmail, debt, anger, drugs, revenge, etc.), he literally got turned on by it, and he chose someone who had obvious problems.
So, no, I would have no sympathy for him.
And to be completely honest, I find your posts a lot more revealing.

K4t wrote: »

I don't look for kicks when discussing a person's murder. I don't look for the murderer to be tortured either, no matter how evil he might be.

You were looking for something.

K4t wrote: »

They're pornographic videos afaik. Not real I hope. I don't like anybody being tortured, prisoners or otherwise.

Then why would you want to see them? Why even ask? Joking?

tayto lover wrote: »

Dwyer was texting from an untraceable phone and was only linked to him after it was recovered from the reservoir.

Roquentin wrote: »

yea, but couldnt they have seen the texts from elaines phone as in they check her phone records

He bought both phones, gave her one 'untraceable' and he used the other.
Afaik, he called them 'master' and 'slave' phones.

Mallagio wrote: »

You get the feeling with this fella that this case is tip of his sick iceberg.... don't ya??

Yep.
I don't have the slightest clue how these things are harvested or kept etc..
But I would have investigated every step he took for the last 20+ years and investigated any murder/rape/disappearance and cross examined them.

His ex said he brought a knife to bed 20 years ago, so he had these feelings brewing for quite a while. He seemed very sure of himself he'd get away with this. I'd be willing to guess he may have done something else similar at least once before.

EDIT - Even earlier apparently

But I would obviously be just speculating.

There was some case in Wales I saw a true crime programme in the 90's. I can't remember the details, but the basic story was, some guy was involved in an accident, he saw somebody die, and realised that he liked it, or got some sort of fetish thrill from it..

Anyway, later on, he ended up being convicted for a murder, and they suspect him of a few more.
It was years ago I watched it, and I have searched every now and then to find it, but with no luck.

Something must have been triggered in that guy, and he liked it so much he wanted to regain/revive that feeling.
i.e. - Nothing to do with "his daddy & all that jazz" or anyone else he grew up with. (I know that's what you were saying.. But I was trying to remember that episode, and relate it to it.)