Graham Dwyer court case *READ FIRST POST BEFORE POSTING*

eviltwin wrote: »

I wasn't implying it didn't Brooke but the affair is small in comparison to her husband being a sadist who murdered a woman. That's the only reason he's in the news, a normal affair Mrs Dwyer might have never found out, forgiven him, whatever. It happens all the time, people move on. Finding out the man you share your bed with was secretly planning to kill someone is a whole other level.

My post was in reply to your saying that the Dwyer family was not hurt by the affair
but by the murder.

Her husband murdering a woman was horrific in itself. Finding out that he was
involved in bdsm activity with the victim while she (his wife) was still pregnant
must have been excruciating painful for her.

brooke 2 wrote: »

My post was in reply to your saying that the Dwyer family was not hurt by the affair
but by the murder.

Her husband murdering a woman was horrific in itself. Finding out that he was
involved in bdsm activity with the victim while she (his wife) was still pregnant
must have been excruciating painful for her.

And my post was in response to someone who was focused on the affair as the cause of the family's pain. I never said the affair wouldn't have been hurtful but it's minor compared to the murder charge. That woman's life totally changed, she's had to leave her home, she has to explain to her children about this as they get older, she's forever associated with him....the affair would pale into insignificance compared to all that.

Dolbert wrote: »

The judge repeatedly reminded the jury that there is no such thing as consent when it comes to killing in Irish law. She could have hand written him a letter begging him to kill her and it would still be murder.

Indeed, there's no mitigation or anything in that regard. If you intend to cause death and death occurs, it's murder and the sentence is life, no ifs or buts.

In any case when assisted suicide becomes legal, it wouldn't cover situations where two people take upon themselves to get it done outside of a legal process.

ncmc wrote: »

The more I hear about this case, the more I am staggered he didn’t put in a plea of manslaughter or assisted suicide. If you look at the details the guards had from her BDSM profile – she was clearly into hardcore BDSM, in her profile she listed knife play and blood letting as things she was in to. She had already met with a couple of men from the sites who said that her tastes were too extreme for them. She had also stated that she wanted a man to kill her in the course of one of their games. It was also on her file in the hospital that she no longer wanted to live but didn’t want to kill herself. All of this would have tied in nicely with either an assisted suicide defence or the idea of a sex game gone wrong. It would also have explained the haphazard way he disposed of her things – it could have indicated that the whole thing was unplanned or that he was in the grip of panic. He may very well have served similar time as Lillis if he had gone down this route.

It was a very risky move to plead not guilty, it was always going to be an all or nothing situation. Either he was going to walk away a free man or spend the rest of his life in jail. I think it says a lot about the man that his sense of being untouchable probably has caused him to be locked away for the rest of his life.

I wonder what his defence team thought about it, how much of the states case would they have been aware off? Surely they realised that the evidence was very damning, even with the absence of a cause of death.

There were several texts in which she told him that she did not want him to kill her. In response he told her she must find another woman to kill if she did not want him to kill her. As a reward he said he would father a baby for her.
It was perfectly clear too him that while she was depressed, mentally ill, suicidal at times, she did not want to be killed by him and all she really wanted was to have a baby

K4t wrote: »

What's odd is that I was obviously joking about wanting links to the porn he had on his pc (though I wouldn't mind having a look at them!), but I'm not sure you're joking about wanting him tortured; nor are many others in this thread. It's quite revealing.

Took you a while to arrive with that, horse getting old?

Some things strike me here.

What GD's own family in Cork think about his actions. Maybe they think he is innocent. And I think of the notoriety of having a son/brother etc. convicted of this murder. How some people get on with their lives in a small community/neighborhood etc. (Ireland is a small place) is a mystery to me. The embarrassment factor for one. Would you leave the area? Not that it is GD's family's fault, and they are blameless, but to support someone like that makes me wonder. But there is not accounting for family ties. Any statement from his family at all? They supported him all through the trial and beyond. I don't know, maybe it is a natural thing for families to do, but still....

Regarding the children of Dwyer. AFAIK Joe O' Reilly sees his children regularly, his mistress brings them to see him, I read that somewhere. Although Dwyer didn't kill his wife, so maybe the wife (or soon to be former wife I reckon) has some leverage there re access to the children, but I wouldn't bet on it. Human Rights and all that.

And furthermore, not only has his wife to deal with this total embarrassment, shame, awful stuff re her husband ( not that any of those feelings are HER problem, but that's the reality), she also has friends, family, work colleagues, school mammies and dads of her children. Jeees, I so admire that woman for getting up in court with all that going on.

Anyway, an appeal will be next. So that should be interesting.

What do people think grounds for appeal will be?

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Some things strike me here.

What GD's own family in Cork think about his actions. Maybe they think he is innocent. And I think of the notoriety of having a son/brother etc. convicted of this murder. How some people get on with their lives in a small community/neighborhood etc. (Ireland is a small place) is a mystery to me. The embarrassment factor for one. Would you leave the area? Not that it is GD's family's fault, and they are blameless, but to support someone like that makes me wonder. But there is not accounting for family ties. Any statement from his family at all? They supported him all through the trial and beyond. I don't know, maybe it is a natural thing for families to do, but still....

Regarding the children of Dwyer. AFAIK Joe O' Reilly sees his children regularly, his mistress brings them to see him, I read that somewhere. Although Dwyer didn't kill his wife, so maybe the wife (or soon to be former wife I reckon) has some leverage there re access to the children, but I wouldn't bet on it. Human Rights and all that.

And furthermore, not only has his wife to deal with this total embarrassment, shame, awful stuff re her husband ( not that any of those feelings are HER problem, but that's the reality), she also has friends, family, work colleagues, school mammies and dads of her children. Jeees, I so admire that woman for getting up in court with all that going on.

Anyway, an appeal will be next. So that should be interesting.

What do people think grounds for appeal will be?

Did his family support him through the trial and beyond??? Link.