Does it bother you more when non-Catholics mock Catholicism?

Zebra3 · 22-04-2015 10:02AM

MakeEmLaugh wrote: »

Though church attendance has never been lower in the Republic of Ireland among Catholics (it was 30% in 2011, as opposed to 91% in 1973), many people still identify as Catholic, culturally at least.

I always find this bizarre.

Catholicism is a religion (i.e. total nonsensical fairy tales) that idiots believe in. It is not culture.

We then have people who go around saying they don't believe in it but still want to indulge in some of the rubbish.

I'm not sure which lot are worse.

RobertKK · 22-04-2015 10:11AM

Does it bother you when non Irish mock the Irish?
Does it bother you when non fat people mock fat people?
Does it bother you when non gay people mock gay people?
Does it bother you when non traveller people mock travellers?
Does it bother you when non [insert what ever group you want]

In the case of the question posed, a person's faith is a part of who they are. For some people it is the most important part of their existence.

No one should be mocking someone else for what they are. The real stupid person in the one who sees themselves superior to someone else because they believe someone else is stupid, or their difference makes them inferior.

Mock people if you want people to dislike you and you yourself want to be mocked and made feel inferior.
Best to live a life where you treat others as how you would like to be treated, and I don't think many like being mocked.

FunLover18 · 22-04-2015 11:15AM

Depends on the mocker and the context.

If you're an atheist who was brought up a certain religion it makes sense that you should have more disregard for THAT religion (imo), given it's the one you know more about and "rebelled" against or turned from, but you're still going have disregard for all religions.

The problem arises with people of faith mocking other faiths (I'm not particularly defensive about Catholicism), I'm all for a bit of good natured joshing between religions when the mocking turns snide or mean it just becomes a bit hypocritical.

crockholm · 22-04-2015 11:18AM

kylith wrote: »

Believing that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magic tree.

What's to mock?

Indeed,there is a lot to be mocked in that-much of it is a shared belief by Harry Shearer and John Landis people,in fact,they actually came up with the stuff.Instead of having a go at catholicism-which has in all likelyhood,never made the slightest impact on their Life, could they not have been a bit more introspect,and aimed the joke at something within their own Community?

The action of a Mohel,which they both may well have been on the recieving end of,I mean,non catholics Children are also predated upon by non-catholic paedophiles too.

keano_afc · 22-04-2015 12:01PM

kylith wrote: »

Believing that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magic tree.

What's to mock?

Well we all know your copy and paste function works fine

Floppybits · 22-04-2015 12:40PM

yes off with their heads, ISIS style.

Conchir · 22-04-2015 12:44PM

It doesn't bother me at all, Catholic or not.

the_monkey · 22-04-2015 12:59PM

Quite the opposite, I love it when it's mocked, shown for the horseh'ite it really is.

ScumLord · 22-04-2015 01:05PM

I think it's hard not to mock just about any religion these days. I won't bring up religion, I'll let someone else do it but I feel it's my duty to the rest of humanity to denounce this nonsense any time someone tries to use it against me, or as a justification for anything, or as an explanation for anything.

If people think they should be respected for believing the stories of some ancient people, they're in for some disappointment. Christianity is based on the second hand account of Jesus's friends. We just have to believe they told the truth and didn't embellish their story to make their friend seem more interesting to people they tried to convert.

I won't go out of my way to mock religion but any time it's brought up in my presence it's getting questioned until the person either runs away crying or decides I'm right and they now believe in the people around them.

MRnotlob606 · 22-04-2015 01:09PM

Oh here were go again.I am a Catholic and I am not ashamed of it.I have nothing to be ashamed of and if people want to scrutinise my religion they can go ahead.If one has a faith their faith should be strong enough to take criticism from others.

22-04-2015 01:18PM

Dicks will be dicks.

Godful dicks will still insist on trying to convert the faithless, no abortion and no gay marriage.

Godless dicks will still insist on mocking religious folk & using "fairy tales" where slave owners would have used the "N" word.

I stand against dicks. Godful & godless.

This is a world where we get to do what we want and believe what we want. If you want a certain belief to "just go away", go get a gun & start killing, so we can deal with you as you deserve to be dealt with. brains splattered against a wall preferably. ISIS with muslims, Brevik with Christians, Stephen Hicks with atheists. All of these people are wrong & deserve to "go away" far more than whoever you're thinking of.

Nasty? Horrific? Yes. But that's what lies at the end of ANY road that starts with "I wish there were no people who X"......

There are, and always will be people who X. We need to suck it up & accept that. No trying to make everyone do whatever your X is, just as no making you do whatever their X is. It ain't gonna happen.

ScumLord · 22-04-2015 02:04PM

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Oh here were go again.I am a Catholic and I am not ashamed of it.I have nothing to be ashamed of and if people want to scrutinise my religion they can go ahead.If one has a faith their faith should be strong enough to take criticism from others.

I wouldn't really call it criticism at this stage, criticism implies a discussion where I think my criticism will improve the problem. I don't think there's anything to improve. Religion is simply redundant, it's a waste of time.

I find the history of religion fascinating, the same way I find the history of the Roman empire fascinating. I think religion was an important part of human evolution of mind, but we've moved past it just the same way we've moved past empires and emperors.

FunLover18 · 22-04-2015 02:24PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't think there's anything to improve. Religion is simply redundant, it's a waste of time.

I don't think belief and faith are redundant.

I do think religious hierarchies telling people what they can and can't believe are completely redundant.

ScumLord · 22-04-2015 02:26PM

FunLover18 wrote: »

I don't think belief and faith are redundant.

I do think religious hierarchies telling people what they can and can't believe are completely redundant.

But if people can't just believe whatever they want it highlights the fact that it's all made up comfort thinking, it's just a bunch of stories we tell ourselves to feel good. The Catholic church can be linked all the way back to Jesus. It's the original church of Jesus so how can it be wrong?

FunLover18 · 22-04-2015 02:42PM

ScumLord wrote: »

But if people can't just believe whatever they want it highlights the fact that it's all made up comfort thinking, it's just a bunch of stories we tell ourselves to feel good. The Catholic church can be linked all the way back to Jesus. It's the original church of Jesus so how can it be wrong?

Comfort thinking doesn't hurt anyone though. What hurts people is people trying to tell you how to comfort think or what comfort thoughts to think (that sentence is fun to say out loud).

As to how can the original church be wrong; ask the Protestants.

ScumLord · 22-04-2015 02:48PM

FunLover18 wrote: »

Comfort thinking doesn't hurt anyone though. What hurts people is people trying to tell you how to comfort think or what comfort thoughts to think (that sentence is fun to say out loud).

As to how can the original church be wrong; ask the Protestants.

And all the other Christian groups, next time god comes back he should maybe concentrate on being more specific with his message.

Comfort thinking can hurt people, if you're ignoring reality to wallow in your fantasies then it could hurt your quality of life. If you're entrenched in your dogma to the point you attack people who don't accept the fantasies it goes onto affect the quality of life of others.

Zen65 · 22-04-2015 02:55PM

RobertKK wrote: »

No one should be mocking someone else for what they are.

Is it OK to mock (e.g.) Manchester United supporters, for supporting that team?

Adyx · 22-04-2015 02:59PM

K4t wrote: »

Because your friends (i.e. other Catholics) constantly attempt to enforce their religious beliefs on non-Catholics. Things would be fine if all Catholics were fairly private like yourself and those you know, but you and I both know that that is not the case, never has been, and never will be.

Not like those atheists of course who always keep it to themselves.

FunLover18 · 22-04-2015 03:02PM

ScumLord wrote: »

And all the other Christian groups, next time god comes back he should maybe concentrate on being more specific with his message.

Comfort thinking can hurt people, if you're ignoring reality to wallow in your fantasies then it could hurt your quality of life. If you're entrenched in your dogma to the point you attack people who don't accept the fantasies it goes onto affect the quality of life of others.

Next time we'll able to record his message word for, maybe he'll post in youtube.

But if people want to wallow in their fantasies that's their own perogative, it's not up to you or me to say 'Don't think that, it's for your own good' because that's just as bad your second example. With regard to people attacking people who don't accept their fantasy, that's on them not the fantasy, in the same way that if I attacked you because you didn't like ice cream, you wouldn't blame ice cream.

Zen65 · 22-04-2015 03:02PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Catholicism is a religion (i.e. total {snip} fairy tales) that {snip} believe in. It is not culture.

I'm omitting the unhelpful adjectives as they do not add to the debate.

One cannot say that beliefs are not part of a culture. Beliefs, rational or irrational, are very much at the heart of a culture. Beliefs shape actions, and repeated actions are the symptoms of a culture.

unjedilike · 22-04-2015 03:07PM

Only Mormons go to heaven

Zen65 · 22-04-2015 03:09PM

unjedilike wrote: »

Only Mormons go to heaven

Is it OK for non-Mormons to mock Mormons?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06jF1EG8o-Q

Sleepy · 22-04-2015 04:26PM

Any grown adult, or group of adults, that believe in any religion deserve to be mocked imo.

Ok, I'd give a pass to those with intellectual disabilities but anyone else really shouldn't expect to have a belief respected simply because they want it to be true.

Skullface McGubbin · 22-04-2015 04:33PM

You can call Christianity and it's followers backward, deluded, primitive etc and you'll seen as 'enlightened'. But if you say the same stuff about Islam & it's followers, there's a chance you might be seen as bigoted or labeled as 'islamophobic'. Talk about double standards.
I'm an atheist, by the way (in case anyone's wondering). But the militant left wing atheists that I see on sites like boards and others have been making me more sympathetic towards Catholicism & the people who follow it (not the ones responsible for past crimes, obviously). I think it's because I know that as the religion is dying on it's arse, the dogma of the overly PC left is starting to take it's place.

darkpagandeath · 22-04-2015 04:44PM

Ideas should always be Questioned and not taken as Gospel.

Zen65 · 22-04-2015 05:36PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Ideas should always be Questioned and not taken as Gospel.

I see what you did there

arybvtcw0eolkf · 22-04-2015 05:39PM

I couldn't give a toss about any religion, not a single bollox would I give.

Zen65 · 22-04-2015 05:41PM

Skullface McGubbin wrote: »

You can call Christianity and it's followers backward, deluded, primitive etc and you'll seen as 'enlightened'. But if you say the same stuff about Islam & it's followers, there's a chance you might be seen as bigoted or labeled as 'islamophobic'. Talk about double standards.

What is your point, exactly?

Of course people are slower to criticise Islam publicly, because its followers have displayed the capacity to react with extremes of violence which result in death. Christians put heretics to death in the past too, so I think it's fair to suggest that as faiths age the followers get less uptight.

In the 1970's and 1980's you would not walk into an unfamiliar bar in Northern Ireland and ask where the Protestants (or Catholics) sit. You would try to be as unobtrusive as possible and enjoy your drink without drawing attention to yourself. That was not because you thought their faiths were not mockable, it was because you had the sense not to provoke an act of sectarian hatred.

RobertKK · 22-04-2015 06:58PM

Zen65 wrote: »

Is it OK to mock (e.g.) Manchester United supporters, for supporting that team?

I think the mods on the soccer forum would say No

:pac:

billyhead · 22-04-2015 07:25PM

It does bother me when people insult my religion. I am a practising catholic and my faith is important to me. Its nobodys business what people follow or believe in so anyone who enjoys mocking someone elses beliefs is a clown. Imagine this same topic been posted in a mostly muslim country and the reaction it would receive.

Does it bother you more when non-Catholics mock Catholicism?

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