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Jamelia: 'High street shops shouldn't sell plus size clothing'

  • 22-04-2015 10:00AM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,707 ✭✭✭whatismyname


    Your one, Jamelia, on Loose Women, has sparked some outrage by suggesting that high street shops shouldn't stock plus size clothing.
    She thinks that high street stores are helping to promote an unhealthy image if they sell trendy clothes in bigger sizes.

    The former pop star said: "I think everyone should have access to lovely clothes, BUT I do not think it's right to facilitate people living an unhealthy lifestyle.

    "I don't believe stores should stock clothes below or above a certain weight. They should be made to feel uncomfortable when they go in and can't find a size."
    When asked again after reading tweets out from viewers, Jamelia denied she had said that trendy clothing shouldn't be available for bigger women before repeating herself.

    Explaining that clothing for bigger people should not appear in stores, even from a size zero she said: "It shouldn't be normalised in high street stores. They should have specialist shops."

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/plus-size-clothes-should-not-5559151

    I know little about her, hardly ever watch Loose Women, but found the suggestion seeming to lack any real insight, and I'd certainly have taken it more seriously coming from a bigger girl, who has a bit of a more first-hand clue.

    Certainly comes across as quite the judgemental idiot.

    I'm not sure what the means by plus size as such, given that some parts of fashion / modelling regard really low sizes (e.g. 14 upwards).

    It's hard enough to find clothes in many high street stores. Primark as one example, it often feels like all they have in stock is 6 / 8 / 20... not literally, but basically that they maybe order the same amount of everything, then all the more common sizes are gone quicker, leaving the ones that less people need.

    There's the other issues obviously that what is a 10 in one shop could be a 12 or 14 in another, since they all seem to make clothes differently.

    I'm a 16 to 18, and have no problems saying that. I try to slim all the time, but have a problem with food, that is not that easy to combat, and I don't think just making everyone who's bigger feel more uncomfortable is the solution. Chances are many who are bigger already feel bad enough about it, are more likely to have self-esteem issues, so yep let's go with the tactic of fat-shaming them and making them feel worse, cos that'll help.

    And nope I don't really see how high-street stores selling clothes that fit women is promoting a healthy lifestyle. It's just selling people clothes to wear.

    EDIT: Much discussion has come out of this, not necessarily related to her comment or high street store clothes sizes. But for me this post says so much. Not about clothes specifically but about black-and-white attitudes, and willingness to try to understand fellow human beings, and I don't know empathise. Nothing to do with excuses or anything similar, just trying to understand and maybe show compassion and see beyond our own circumstances, and maybe see it's nothing to do with 'excuses'.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Not all size 16 people are obese and you can wear a size 12 and still be overweight, I am. I know what she means but people need to have clothes what do you do if your not able to buy clothing?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,707 ✭✭✭whatismyname


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Not all size 16 people are obese and you can wear a size 12 and still be overweight, I am. I know what she means but people need to have clothes Roberta, what do you do if your not able to buy clothing?


    Let it all hang out of course ;)





    (or, in her opinion, go to the 'specialist shops')


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    The only thing worse than a fatty is a fatty in clothes too tight
    So no feck that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Do you think this will happen OP? Or are you outraged of a celeb's un-PCness, over something that is highly unlikely to happen?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    biko wrote: »
    Do you think this will happen OP? Or are you outraged of a celeb's un-PCness, over something that is highly unlikely to happen?

    I think she dosent want to have to shop in place that also hires out tents for summer weddings


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    These people say these things so somebody will talk about them on social media.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,685 ✭✭✭valoren


    Mmmmmmmm......Jam.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,035 ✭✭✭Plazaman


    So if the plus size ladies can't buy clothes in their sizes, what are they supposed to wear Jamelia? It'll be track suits all round for every occasion which is far worse than overweight people in decent looking clothes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    Who?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭Nucular Arms


    Also, can someone please explain to me once and for all what the deal is with womens dress sizes anyway?

    Size 12, size 16.. what is the major problem with using centimetres or some other standard unit of measurement that actually makes sense?

    Never understood it. And it just makes buying nightwear for the other half so much more... awkward!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,707 ✭✭✭whatismyname


    biko wrote: »
    Do you think this will happen OP? Or are you outraged of a celeb's un-PCness, over something that is highly unlikely to happen?

    Neither, as it happens. It's a discussion forum, so I posted something for discussion. I know it won't happen, and I personally am not outraged in any form.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,707 ✭✭✭whatismyname


    Who?

    Exactly. Some has-been on the show that they pull in has-beens to share their opinions and have a moan on weekday afternoons, cos they sell.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Let me get this straight:

    She says, "... high street stores are helping to promote an unhealthy image if they sell trendy clothes in bigger sizes" - but says nothing abotu the media potraying unhealthy images...??

    No wonder there's so much pressure on women to conform. I wish they'd ever grow some "balls" so to speak and tell these pressurisers to just **** off. World would be a much happier place.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,876 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    I hate the term 'fat-shaming'. You should be ashamed to be fat. You're literally walking around displaying your lack of self-discipline and gluttony for the whole world. And it's not like obesity happens overnight. It takes years of commitment to become and remain fat. People don't even realise how big they are anymore, or how much they're overfeeding their children for a life of misery and diabetes: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/30/parents-of-obese-children-unable-to-recognise-child-is-overweight

    People like the OP know that shops won't ban plus-size (even that term is ridiculously sensitive...) clothing because normalising obesity is a great way to boost sales. Yet if the high street decided to sell size 0 clothing they would be going crazy, claiming it sets a bad example and that teenagers will feel pressured to follow some unrealistic blah blah blah.

    Obviously, however, shops are under no moral obligation to encourage shoppers to become healthier, so despite Jamelia's words, nothing will change. Waistlines will get bigger, as will contouring, spanx, apps that alter your body in photos, 'waist trainers', and every other delusional trend that has followed society's timidity in confronting obesity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    Your one, Jamelia, on Loose Women

    Well, the oracle hath spoken, so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    I'm not sure who she is, nor why her opinion should matter - unless she own a high street fashion chain?

    I can't even say what size I am - I've got clothes in my wardrobe from size 14 to 22, and interestingly enough they all fit me about that same way. It usually depends on how they're cut around the chest, I often have to go for larger sizes to fit the ladies in.

    As I understand it, the fashion world regards size 14 to be puls size - that would leave the majority of people in the country having to go to "specialist shops".

    And I seriously object to that notion that fat people need to be made to feel awkward at any given opportunity. Are there really people out there thinking that making someone feel miserable will help them in any way?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,707 ✭✭✭whatismyname


    Shenshen wrote: »
    Are there really people out there thinking that making someone feel miserable will help them in any way?

    Seems yes, and this often seems to apply to many other things other than just this example.

    Common sense would surely tell us how silly / unlikely to work this is, but you know what they say about common sense, it's just not very common.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    Jamelia has never been the brightest bulb in the box, and only ever seems to be in the papers when she gives some moronic opinion she has barely thought about. Watch her try and wriggle out of it in the next few days before she fades away into obscurity again.

    Shops should sell whatever makes them money. Like it or not fat people exist and they're not going to stop existing on the basis of whether or not they can get nice clothes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    In similar news

    Abercrombie & Fitch and its CEO Mike Jeffries, the guy that refused to sell clothes to fat people, are now at least selling Large size.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭chanelfreak


    Christ, I cannot stand that woman. Saw her on that Mission Survive yoke and how the others didnt feck her off a cliff, I will never know. She seems like an utter tw*t to be honest and I doubt anyone takes whatever point she was trying to make seriously.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 774 ✭✭✭CarpeDiem85


    I was watching a programme about 'plus size' women last night and how big the market is becoming, pardon the pun. I think it's an absolute disgrace that it's becoming so normalised. The UK now has the highest percentage of overweight women in Europe, we'll soon follow suit no doubt. I know that in some rare cases, some women find it hard to lose weight and are naturally bigger but 99.99% of the time, if you exercise on a regular basis and eat healthily then you will not be overweight! Sorry to be blunt but I'm fed up of seeing so many muffin tops walking about. It's unhealthy and people should take more pride in themselves, not treat their bodies as junk yards.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 369 ✭✭walkingshadow


    Christ, I cannot stand that woman. Saw her on that Mission Survive yoke and how the others didnt feck her off a cliff, I will never know. She seems like an utter tw*t to be honest and I doubt anyone takes whatever point she was trying to make seriously.

    She is hot, though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,707 ✭✭✭whatismyname


    Christ, I cannot stand that woman. Saw her on that Mission Survive yoke and how the others didnt feck her off a cliff, I will never know. She seems like an utter tw*t to be honest and I doubt anyone takes whatever point she was trying to make seriously.

    Yes, she seems like an utter twat alright. Unfortunately there's always some that takes any idiot seriously, but thankfully in this case I think they'd be in the minority, and they certainly won't be high street shops.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    I was watching a programme about 'plus size' women last night and how big the market is becoming, pardon the pun. I think it's an absolute disgrace that it's becoming so normalised. The UK now has the highest percentage of overweight women in Europe, we'll soon follow suit no doubt. I know that in some rare cases, some women find it hard to lose weight and are naturally bigger but 99.99% of the time, if you exercise on a regular basis and eat healthily then you will not be overweight! Sorry to be blunt but I'm fed up of seeing so many muffin tops walking about. It's unhealthy and people should take more pride in themselves, not treat their bodies as junk yards.

    So we should deny them clothes as a punishment?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,554 ✭✭✭bjork


    Get all your internal organs removed -

    I've meself booked in for next week


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,895 ✭✭✭sabat


    They definitely shouldn't sell certain garments in any size over 14, ie leggings, sleeveless tops, lycra dresses etc. There's way too much flab on show ruining the views this weather.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 369 ✭✭walkingshadow


    Shenshen wrote: »
    So we should deny them clothes as a punishment?

    The only women who should be denied clothes are fine ass biatches


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,707 ✭✭✭whatismyname


    sabat wrote: »
    They definitely shouldn't sell certain garments in any size over 14, ie leggings, sleeveless tops, lycra dresses etc. There's way too much flab on show ruining the views this weather.

    Totally. Even better, I think having the flab on show without any clothing covering it is definitely the way forward.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 212 ✭✭chanelfreak


    sabat wrote: »
    They definitely shouldn't sell certain garments in any size over 14, ie leggings, sleeveless tops, lycra dresses etc. There's way too much flab on show ruining the views this weather.

    :rolleyes:


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  • Administrators Posts: 56,306 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Not all size 16 people are obese and you can wear a size 12 and still be overweight, I am. I know what she means but people need to have clothes what do you do if your not able to buy clothing?

    Really? Who is size 16 and not fat?


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