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Vojera · 20-04-2015 04:39PM

I didn't like the way it was covered in much of the media. Today FM is what I would normally listen to during the day while I'm at work and they kept repeating the phrase that he was "charged with murdering Elaine O'Hara for his own sexual gratification" when that is plainly not the case. He was charged with murder, the motivation is not relevant to the charge. I know it seems pedantic, but I really felt like they were pushing the sexual aspect in order to "tabloid-it-up" and make it more sensational.

SEPT 23 1989 · 20-04-2015 04:41PM

the coverage of this was completely OTT

you should not have to turn the radio off at 3 in the afternoon because you have a child in earshot

suicide_circus · 20-04-2015 04:42PM

The media love any bit of salacious smut they can drag up. Sex sells. Always has. Adding insult to injury to the families involved obviously.

nullzero · 20-04-2015 04:42PM

He should and most likely will spend his remaining years behind bars. The likelihood of him being released at any point is very slim considering his apparent psychological make up being that of a psychopath, which means rehabilitation to reintegrate into society is not something that can be realistically believed to be possible. I'm sure he will continuously profess his innocence due to his being a narcissistic psychopath but it would be unconscionable for anyone to make a decision to release such an individual back into society.

spockety · 20-04-2015 04:43PM

Vojera wrote: »

I didn't like the way it was covered in much of the media. Today FM is what I would normally listen to during the day while I'm at work and they kept repeating the phrase that he was "charged with murdering Elaine O'Hara for his own sexual gratification" when that is plainly not the case. He was charged with murder, the motivation is not relevant to the charge. I know it seems pedantic, but I really felt like they were pushing the sexual aspect in order to "tabloid-it-up" and make it more sensational.

Actually that is the case that the DPP pursued, and the jury were directed to only find Dwyer guilty if they were satisfied that the elements of the case that the DPP put forward were true beyond any reasonable doubt. i.e. that he had taken Elaine Dwyer to Kilakee Mountain with the express intention of stabbing her for sexual gratification.

If they had thought he strangled her, for example, he could have been found not guilty.

PressRun · 20-04-2015 04:43PM

What does life mean here? How many years are we talking? He seems like the perfect candidate for spending the rest of his life in prison tbh. He definitely seems like he would have been a reoffender. Once would never be enough for this guy.

ColeTrain · 20-04-2015 04:45PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

the coverage of this was completely OTT

you should not have to turn the radio off at 3 in the afternoon because you have a child in earshot

So there should be a watershed on the news?

ohnonotgmail · 20-04-2015 04:45PM

PressRun wrote: »

What does life mean here? How many years are we talking? He seems like the perfect candidate for spending the rest of his life in prison tbh. He definitely seems like he would have been a reoffender. Once would never be enough for this guy.

minimum of 7 years. After that it is at the discretion of the minister for justice

Vojera · 20-04-2015 04:47PM

spockety wrote: »

Actually that is the case that the DPP pursued, and the jury were directed to only find Dwyer guilty if they were satisfied that the elements of the case that the DPP put forward were true beyond any reasonable doubt. i.e. that he had taken Elaine Dwyer to Kilakee Mountain with the express intention of stabbing her for sexual gratification.

If they had thought he strangled her, for example, he could have been found not guilty.

Really? That seems unusual. For what reason did they look at it that way? Was it the lack of a definite cause of death?

20-04-2015 04:47PM

Just listening to the radio there and they were speaking about the case of Mark Nash. Here's a guy who was sentenced today for a double murder... As well as already having carried out another double murder previously. He's killed 4 people. In any other time, this would dominate the media. The sexual nature of the Dwyer case has somewhat put it in the shadows. Don't know if that's good or bad for family members of the deceased.

nelly17 · 20-04-2015 04:48PM

Cant help but wonder what else he's been up to

ohnonotgmail · 20-04-2015 04:49PM

Vojera wrote: »

Really? That seems unusual. For what reason did they look at it that way? Was it the lack of a definite cause of death?

the state pathologist couldnt determine cause of death.

RGDATA! · 20-04-2015 04:50PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Not a great comparison but Eamonn Lillis killed his wife stone dead, tried to frame another man and was out in 5 years.

he wasn't convicted of murder and didn't get a life sentence, so not comparable really as you say.

The average time served on a life sentence in Ireland is 18 years. There's not much reason to believe that Dwyer will serve less time than average for this kind of sentence - on the contrary.

correction: average time served on a life sentence in Ireland is actually 20 years now.

Neyite · 20-04-2015 04:50PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

So there should be a watershed on the news?

No, but if a bulletin contains graphic details, might be no harm to mention it beforehand so people have the option of turning it off or lowering the volume if kids are around, especially considering the content of some of the texts that were quoted.

spockety · 20-04-2015 04:50PM

Vojera wrote: »

Really? That seems unusual. For what reason did they look at it that way? Was it the lack of a definite cause of death?

I'm not sure. Perhaps there is a higher burden in cases which rely on circumstancial evidence, or where there is no cause of death etc.?

Banjo String · 20-04-2015 04:56PM

Followed this case closely, I read some sad stuff about it, but the one thing that hit me hardest was the judge describing Elaines crys as 'animal like' as Dwyer stabbed her as he was having sex with her, and later him trying to soothe her by telling her "ssssh, it's not that bad"

That poor poor woman, may she hopefully now find some peace.

As for Dwyer, what a sick and twisted individual. I hope his time passes as slowly and as unpleasantly as is possible for him.

Utter, utter disgusting animal.

Full Marx · 20-04-2015 04:57PM

Still think he will get the conviction overturned on appeal, the judge didn't hide his bias that well, will be just one plank of his case against his conviction.

I don't think there was enough evidence to convict him of murder.

take everything · 20-04-2015 04:59PM

spockety wrote: »

Actually that is the case that the DPP pursued, and the jury were directed to only find Dwyer guilty if they were satisfied that the elements of the case that the DPP put forward were true beyond any reasonable doubt. i.e. that he had taken Elaine Dwyer to Kilakee Mountain with the express intention of stabbing her for sexual gratification.

If they had thought he strangled her, for example, he could have been found not guilty.

I agree.
I'm a bit puzzled by people describing the coverage as too much tbh.
Some of it was unnecessary but i thought it was a good eye opener that guys like this piece of **** exist and how they prey on vulnerable people.

And to understand the case, a lot of the detail was necessary.
Are people saying it was too much because it was titillating.
You'd have to be fairly weird to find it titillating tbh.
Psychologically interesting and informative, but titillating?

Heisenberg1 · 20-04-2015 04:59PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

No, the other part of what I quoted was nonsense.

Ok I know he won't be out before 7 years butitI would make you laugh that a person that was convicted of such a heinous crime can even be reviewed after only 7 years.

eigrod · 20-04-2015 05:02PM

take everything wrote: »

I agree.
I'm a bit puzzled by people describing the coverage as too much tbh.
Some of it was unnecessary but i thought it was a good eye opener that guys like this piece of **** exist and how they prey on vulnerable people.

And to understand the case, a lot of the detail was necessary.
Are people saying it was too much because it was titillating.
You'd have to be fairly weird to find it titillating tbh.
Psychologically interesting and informative, but titillating?

I agree with that. Plus the whole technology element to it, I found fascinating. The lengths the Gardai IT experts went to trace the various phones etc.

And of course the pure good fortune and good Garda work of the way the items were found in Roundwood.

ohnonotgmail · 20-04-2015 05:03PM

Heisenberg1 wrote: »

Ok I know he won't be out before 7 years butitI would make you laugh that a person that was convicted of such a heinous crime can even be reviewed after only 7 years.

reviewed? yes. released? no.

Heisenberg1 · 20-04-2015 05:05PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

reviewed? yes. released? no.

You don't know if he will be released or not.

ohnonotgmail · 20-04-2015 05:06PM

Heisenberg1 wrote: »

You don't know if he will be released or not.

i would be happy to bet you a large sum of money that he wont.

Laois_Man · 20-04-2015 05:07PM

Banjo String wrote: »

Followed this case closely, I read some sad stuff about it, but the one thing that hit me hardest was the judge describing Elaines crys as 'animal like' as Dwyer stabbed her as he was having sex with her, and later him trying to soothe her by telling her "ssssh, it's not that bad"

There is absolutely no way that anybody (other than O'Dwyer) knows, whether they are a judge or not, what Elaine's cries were like, or even if there were any, or what she or he was doing when she was stabbed, or what he said to her, or for that matter, even that she was stabbed at all!

20-04-2015 05:08PM

Laois_Man wrote: »

There is absolutely no way that anybody (other than O'Dwyer) knows, whether they are a judge or not, what Elaine's cries were like, or even if there were any, or what she or he was doing when she was stabbed, or what he said to her, or for that matter, even that she was stabbed at all!

They found and showed the jury videos of him stabbing her.

Nodin · 20-04-2015 05:09PM

RGDATA! wrote: »

he wasn't convicted of murder and didn't get a life sentence, so not comparable really as you say.

The average time served on a life sentence in Ireland is 18 years. There's not much reason to believe that Dwyer will serve less time than average for this kind of sentence - on the contrary.

correction: average time served on a life sentence in Ireland is actually 20 years now.

True, but in exceptional cases its extended at the discretion of the Minister for Justice.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/serial-killer-who-pledged-to-rape-and-murder-one-woman-a-week-dies-at-69-26856022.html

ThisRegard · 20-04-2015 05:10PM

Neyite wrote: »

No, but if a bulletin contains graphic details, might be no harm to mention it beforehand so people have the option of turning it off or lowering the volume if kids are around, especially considering the content of some of the texts that were quoted.

All stations I listened to did this.

Nodin · 20-04-2015 05:11PM

Laois_Man wrote: »

There is absolutely no way that anybody (other than O'Dwyer) knows, whether they are a judge or not, what Elaine's cries were like, or even if there were any, or what she or he was doing when she was stabbed, or what he said to her, or for that matter, even that she was stabbed at all!

Video evidence was used during the trial that showed this, and the use of a knife on other women. The same evidence was used during the case to deny him bail for the entire period pending trial (held in camera in the high court, I think).

Laois_Man · 20-04-2015 05:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They found and showed the jury videos of him stabbing her.

Apologies, I thought the poster was talking about the way Elaine actually died.

ThisRegard · 20-04-2015 05:12PM

Laois_Man wrote: »

There is absolutely no way that anybody (other than O'Dwyer) knows, whether they are a judge or not, what Elaine's cries were like, or even if there were any, or what she or he was doing when she was stabbed, or what he said to her, or for that matter, even that she was stabbed at all!

It was in reference to a video of where he stabbed her, not the actual murder.

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