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suicide_circus · 20-04-2015 03:37PM

floggg wrote: »

Why is there anything with wrong with them highlighting the ability to register - a service they facilitate.

Would you be outraged if they drew attention to the fact that they provided vetting services?

Garda vetting service falls within their remit, the electoral register does not. Should the defence forces get involved with the democratic process too?

ohnonotgmail · 20-04-2015 03:38PM

floggg wrote: »

Why is there anything with wrong with them highlighting the ability to register - a service they facilitate.

Would you be outraged if they drew attention to the fact that they provided vetting services?

it is not their business to promote voter registration. they may facilitate those who wish to register but that is all. At this stage you are just arguing the toss for the sake of it.

ohnonotgmail · 20-04-2015 03:40PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

These are community policing Gardaí. They get involved with events organised by travellers, the elderly, lgbt, immigrants, educational groups and many more. They do so at the request of the groups themselves for various reasons. You ask why they have not been seen doing this for previous referenda. Can you say how many times they have been asked to do something similar? It's also worth pointing out that this isn't the only place where Gardaí were set up to help people register.

https://twitter.com/gardainfo/status/578941120559890432

It just so happens that one of them, just one, set up at a table next to an lgbt activist.

who happened to put some Vote Yes badges on the table without the gardai noticing? those devious activists.

ohnonotgmail · 20-04-2015 03:40PM

bjork wrote: »

^^ I don't see any Yes badges on the table?!? Are they in the blue bag?

that is a pic of a different event to the other pics.

bjork · 20-04-2015 03:41PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

that is a pic of a different event to the other pics.

Yep, I know -Just commenting on the lack of promotional material at that event

ohnonotgmail · 20-04-2015 03:42PM

bjork wrote: »

That says Trinity, the other one was in UCC?

UCC or UCD. one of them second rate colleges anyway.

Little CuChulainn · 20-04-2015 03:45PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Garda vetting service falls within their remit, the electoral register does not. Should the defence forces get involved with the democratic process too?

I've already pointed out that a Garda must witness your declaration on the supplementary register application form.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

who happened to put some Vote Yes badges on the table without the gardai noticing? those devious activists.

She probably didn't care where they were.

smash · 20-04-2015 03:45PM

Amnesty int. among others state that "marriage between individuals of the same-sex is an issue in which fundamental human rights are at stake"

The garda public mission statement is "Convinced that An Garda Síochána, being the national police service of the Republic of Ireland with a public mission, and acting in the public interest, has a fundamental role in protecting and vindicating the personal dignity and human rights of all members of the community;"

So meh, if they were there to promote the act of voting or to promote a yes vote there's no harm done in my opinion. The rest of you can argue about it until your blue in the face...

suicide_circus · 20-04-2015 03:45PM

A uniformed garda involved in the promotion of a voting drive organised by a group campaigning for a particular side in a referendum - sorry this is not ok.

20Cent · 20-04-2015 03:58PM

"I decided how to vote because a garda told me" said no one ever.

Mountain out of a molehill issue.

floggg · 20-04-2015 04:02PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Garda vetting service falls within their remit, the electoral register does not. Should the defence forces get involved with the democratic process too?

Then why do I have to go to the Garda Station tomorrow to sort my change of address registration form?

ohnonotgmail · 20-04-2015 04:03PM

floggg wrote: »

Then why do I have to go to the Garda Station tomorrow to sort my change of address registration form?

round and round ad round we go, where we stop, nobody knows.

floggg · 20-04-2015 04:04PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

it is not their business to promote voter registration. they may facilitate those who wish to register but that is all. At this stage you are just arguing the toss for the sake of it.

They are drawing attention to the fact they facilitate people who wish to register but that is all. At this stage your just outraged for the sake of it.

ohnonotgmail · 20-04-2015 04:05PM

floggg wrote: »

They are drawing attention to the fact they facilitate people who wish to register but that is all. At this stage your just outraged for the sake of it.

come on now, you're smarter than that.

darkpagandeath · 20-04-2015 04:14PM

Can someone clarify on the "It's a Human Right" to get married. Article 16 only covers a man an woman of age ?

floggg · 20-04-2015 04:15PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

come on now, you're smarter than that.

And your should be smart enough to accept people have different opinions than you.

I'm done. Enjoy the outrage over a non-story.

ohnonotgmail · 20-04-2015 04:18PM

floggg wrote: »

And your smarter to think that there's an absolute position on this.

You think it's political involvement. I don't.

We could have agreed to disagree long ago, but apparently I don't get to have an opinion since your view of it is objective fact.

And no, the fact that the Gardai have said it's inappropriate doesn't mean it was political. It could just mean they decided to drop the issue and kill a non-story.

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floggg · 20-04-2015 04:20PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Can someone clarify on the "It's a Human Right" to get married. Article 16 only covers a man an woman of age ?

Some people human rights transcend what's written on paper.

For example, I think Saudi Arabia's treatment of women is a breach of human rights even if it is legal there.

suicide_circus · 20-04-2015 04:27PM

People supporting police interference in the democratic process when it suits their point of view.

If you tolerate this....

shruikan2553 · 20-04-2015 05:04PM

I wonder where I'll be going to vote. Could hardly be a building run by one of the groups involved.

Phoebas · 20-04-2015 05:23PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

I wonder where I'll be going to vote. Could hardly be a building run by one of the groups involved.

It'll be a building normally run by either the state or the church most likely - and both will be excluded by law from displaying promotional material for one side or the other in the vicinity.

Stinicker · 20-04-2015 06:56PM

I am voting No and have encouraged all the people I can to vote No. The arrogance of the yes side is astounding trying to claim the high moral ground on what is a particularly sensitive issue. Senator Katherine Zapone has no democratic mandate from the Irish people and she is one of the persons who been a major instigator of this issue.

The Irish people will give a democratic vote on the issue and it will be a No vote for certain.

ohnonotgmail · 20-04-2015 07:00PM

Stinicker wrote: »

I am voting No and have encouraged all the people I can to vote No. The arrogance of the yes side is astounding trying to claim the high moral ground on what is a particularly sensitive issue. Senator Katherine Zapone has no democratic mandate from the Irish people and she is one of the persons who been a major instigator of this issue.

The Irish people will give a democratic vote on the issue and it will be a No vote for certain.

so you will vote no because of how you think the Yes side have behaved? The issue we are voting on isnt relevant then? another bigot trying to justify themselves.

Stinicker · 20-04-2015 07:04PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so you will vote no because of how you think the Yes side have behaved? The issue we are voting on isnt relevant then? another bigot trying to justify themselves.

How dare you call me a bigot? I am voting because I do not believe in Gay marriage and the behavior of the Yes side has only hardened my resolve.

ohnonotgmail · 20-04-2015 07:18PM

Stinicker wrote: »

How dare you call me a bigot? I am voting because I do not believe in Gay marriage and the behavior of the Yes side has only hardened my resolve.

so you dont believe in equality then?

shruikan2553 · 20-04-2015 07:26PM

Phoebas wrote: »

It'll be a building normally run by either the state or the church most likely - and both will be excluded by law from displaying promotional material for one side or the other in the vicinity.

Dont know what the local school will do doing about the great big cross then. Drape a rainbow flag on them maybe?

Stinicker · 20-04-2015 07:28PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so you dont believe in equality then?

I believe in marriage and it something which is between a man an a woman and nothing can ever change this. I also do not beleive unelected senators and lobby groups should be allowed to try dictate the moral compass of this country. What you may consider as equality I consider to be an attack on the family and on some of the social fabric of society. Gay people have the Civil partnerships bill and have full equality already, I am supportive of this but not Gay Marriage.

ohnonotgmail · 20-04-2015 07:30PM

Stinicker wrote: »

I believe in marriage and it something which is between a man an a woman and nothing can ever change this. I also do not beleive unelected senators and lobby groups should be allowed to try dictate the moral compass of this country. What you may consider as equality I consider to be an attack on the family and on some of the social fabric of society. Gay people have the Civil partnerships bill and have full equality already, I am supportive of this but not Gay Marriage.

so thats a no then.

marienbad · 20-04-2015 07:33PM

Stinicker wrote: »

I believe in marriage and it something which is between a man an a woman and nothing can ever change this. I also do not beleive unelected senators and lobby groups should be allowed to try dictate the moral compass of this country. What you may consider as equality I consider to be an attack on the family and on some of the social fabric of society. Gay people have the Civil partnerships bill and have full equality already, I am supportive of this but not Gay Marriage.

Do you believe in Civil marriage or Christian matrimony ?

And it is simply not factually correct to say civil partnership is equal to ssm.

mikeym · 20-04-2015 07:50PM

Why dont we get the Gardai to investigate the Gardai?

That should work out well :rolleyes:

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