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whelan2 · 15-04-2015 05:50AM

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Yeah can still buy small amounts to kill weeds around houses or yards

i only use knapsack, have a contractor sprays the fields , do i need to do the knapsack course or can i use his ?

Greengrass1 · 15-04-2015 06:20AM

whelan2 wrote: »

i only use knapsack, have a contractor sprays the fields , do i need to do the knapsack course or can i use his ?

That I don't know now. he will still have to have spray wrote in his log.
If I was a contractor spraying I wouldn't let anyone use my number unless I was spraying the spray fir them.

Muckit · 15-04-2015 08:36AM

mf240 wrote: »

Six hail marys and an our father. Plus theyll clamp the napsack.

....to your back. And it full to the brim. Then they blindfold ya and spin you around 5times!

Muckit · 15-04-2015 08:39AM

whelan2 wrote: »

i only use knapsack, have a contractor sprays the fields , do i need to do the knapsack course or can i use his ?

According to the leaflet everyone got in the post even knapsacks means you're to do a course. From a h&s point of view it's good but it's another dip into the wallet (or purse!)

Dawggone · 15-04-2015 08:49AM

I'm living with spray regs here with the last 2 years.
You need certs to buy chems, no matter how small a quantity.
Sprayer operator needs to have certs.
We can't transport more than 50kg of chem without having the HGV haz chem.
If chems are delivered to farm, cert holder must be there to receive them.
Sprayer must get NCT every 2 years.

From next sept (I think) glyphosate around buildings will be illegal.

Greengrass1 · 15-04-2015 09:45AM

Have pen of 10 calves here on oad. Only pen with no water trough in it. Just have a 20l bucket filled with water.
There drinking 40l a day And are about 5/6 wks old
and then ye see lads with no water with calves How could ye rear calves at all

keep going · 15-04-2015 10:05AM

Been looking for a fr bull last couple of weeks and come to conclusion there is no bigger lie than the words "high ebi".high ebi in a bull to me is over 300 not 200 or less as I found out after several ph calls.also I dont give a dam how long you have been selling bulls or what name you have in front of them, if he dosent look the businees on icbf I wont go near him.am I the odd one out here or is there some other world going on out there that I dont understand or is just some guys have not moved with the times

whelan2 · 15-04-2015 11:18AM

keep going wrote: »

Been looking for a fr bull last couple of weeks and come to conclusion there is no bigger lie than the words "high ebi".high ebi in a bull to me is over 300 not 200 or less as I found out after several ph calls.also I dont give a dam how long you have been selling bulls or what name you have in front of them, if he dosent look the businees on icbf I wont go near him.am I the odd one out here or is there some other world going on out there that I dont understand or is just some guys have not moved with the times

bought a bull before christmas , rang the guy, he texted me 10 tag numbers, i looked them up on icbf picked 2 that i was interested in, narrowed it to 1 , went down and looked at the bull, he delivered next day.... ebi is 250 good solids and milk am very happy with him

just do it · 15-04-2015 11:31AM

Muckit wrote: »

According to the leaflet everyone got in the post even knapsacks means you're to do a course. From a h&s point of view it's good but it's another dip into the wallet (or purse!)

I see the H&S aspect alright. It's just the bureaucracy that goes with it. I'd a lad spraying here last year with a knapsack and I'd fear for his health. Just simple things like being upwind, gloves etc

just do it · 15-04-2015 11:36AM

frazzledhome wrote: »

My mother uses spray in her garden, does this apply to her?

Tell her she's being watched from the satellite!

Reminds me of a good one when I got the calving camera. There's a mic on it. We frightened/terrorised the bejes*s out of a lad for a few minutes

td5man · 15-04-2015 01:11PM

keep going wrote: »

Been looking for a fr bull last couple of weeks and come to conclusion there is no bigger lie than the words "high ebi".high ebi in a bull to me is over 300 not 200 or less as I found out after several ph calls.also I dont give a dam how long you have been selling bulls or what name you have in front of them, if he dosent look the businees on icbf I wont go near him.am I the odd one out here or is there some other world going on out there that I dont understand or is just some guys have not moved with the times

Went to look at a bulls a few years ago from a top herd. The lad selling them was reluctant to give there ebi , they were in the 30's.
"I wouldn't go by ebi" he says. #chancer

whelan2 · 15-04-2015 01:18PM

td5man wrote: »

Went to look at a bulls a few years ago from a top herd. The lad selling them was reluctant to give there ebi , they were in the 30's.
"I wouldn't go by ebi" he says. #chancer

local lad bought 2 bulls from a local well known herd, i asked him what was their ebi, he said he didnt know but the seller said they where good:)

tanko · 15-04-2015 01:37PM

whelan2 wrote: »

bought a bull before christmas , rang the guy, he texted me 10 tag numbers, i looked them up on icbf picked 2 that i was interested in, narrowed it to 1 , went down and looked at the bull, he delivered next day.... ebi is 250 good solids and milk am very happy with him

I don't mean to be smart but surely you can't be happy or not with that bull until you have milked daughters off him?
Are ebi figures foolproof at this stage, could some sellers not make a bull's figures better than they should be by registering a false dam and sire for the bull.

With beef Bulls figures for different traits can go up or down a lot as the reliability increases, does the same not happen with ebi's for dairy Bulls?

whelan2 · 15-04-2015 01:39PM

tanko wrote: »

I don't mean to be smart but surely you can't be happy or not with that bull until you have milked daughters off him?
Are ebi figures foolproof at this stage, could some sellers not make a bull's figures better than they should be by registering a false dam and sire for the bull.

With beef Bulls figures for different traits can go up or down a lot as the reliability increases, does the same not happen with ebi's for dairy Bulls?

i am happy with him , so far:)

keep going · 15-04-2015 01:48PM

tanko wrote: »

I don't mean to be smart but surely you can't be happy or not with that bull until you have milked daughters off him?
Are ebi figures foolproof at this stage, could some sellers not make a bull's figures better than they should be by registering a false dam and sire for the bull.

With beef Bulls figures for different traits can go up or down a lot as the reliability increases, does the same not happen with ebi's for dairy Bulls?

Its also the fact that now in a peice of an evening you can check out his full history and their figures, not solely relying on ebi and not waiting for a peice of paper to be handed over after the check

jaymla627 · 15-04-2015 02:10PM

keep going wrote: »

Its also the fact that now in a peice of an evening you can check out his full history and their figures, not solely relying on ebi and not waiting for a peice of paper to be handed over after the check

Stock bulls ebi here is something like 137 good hostein bulls with type and milk will always struggle to get above 200 on ebi, even with ai bulls im using none are over 200...,
Id pay alot more attention to mother and grandmother proofs then a genomic test, my lads grandmother and great grandmother both completed over 10 lactations each and over 100,000 litres each with average protein of 3.55 and bf of 4.3 with both cows classified over ex 90, you would struggle to find any of these so called rockstar high ebi genomic bulls with breeding like that in ai...

frazzledhome · 15-04-2015 02:39PM

In the door having bought 6 bulls. Guy had 12 in the pen handed me a printout of all figures we wanted 8 but could only pick 5. Did our deal and I still have not looked at paper. Stock bulls are wholly unreliable for breeding. Ai is what we rely on with s bulls to mop up Reason for fr is shorter days and able for the walking. We eliminated 3 on feet straight away

Sbulls are a lottery your aswell off to ai for longer and buy plenty to clean up and bank to factory the day you take from cows

farmer lad · 15-04-2015 04:12PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Stock bulls ebi here is something like 137 good hostein bulls with type and milk will always struggle to get above 200 on ebi, even with ai bulls im using none are over 200...,
Id pay alot more attention to mother and grandmother proofs then a genomic test, my lads grandmother and great grandmother both completed over 10 lactations each and over 100,000 litres each with average protein of 3.55 and bf of 4.3 with both cows classified over ex 90, you would struggle to find any of these so called rockstar high ebi genomic bulls with breeding like that in ai...

What Bulls you using this year jaymala?

jaymla627 · 15-04-2015 04:29PM

farmer lad wrote: »

What Bulls you using this year jaymala?

Lavaman, legend/laurhill classic/tabber sexed, acres eight,dragon and Spock along with a Swedish red bull called haslev and a sexed jersey bull Sunnydawn Olympian

mahoney_j · 15-04-2015 04:35PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Lavaman, legend/laurhill classic/tabber sexed, acres eight,dragon and Spock along with a Swedish red bull called haslev and a sexed jersey bull Sunnydawn Olympian

Jay what's your ci,how many Ltrs and kg solids delivered from coop performance sheet not milk recorded.how much meal fed??

C0N0R · 15-04-2015 05:49PM

Weighed heifer calves here with a weighband, oldest heaviest ones were 250 kg and youngest were 150kg. Happy enough with them. Out to grass they go and hope to hell they don't go backwards.

jaymla627 · 15-04-2015 08:08PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Jay what's your ci,how many Ltrs and kg solids delivered from coop performance sheet not milk recorded.how much meal fed??

Their was 380kg of milk solids sent a cow last year yield was 5,500 litres plus 400 litres a cow was feed to calves with a ton of meal going in, have a lot of jersey cross and bf cows/heifers at the minute so trying to get milk back in to these which is the reason for using bulls +300kg milk plus am aiming for a 7,500 litre crossbreed cow here to achieve this you need to be crossing of a plus 300 kg milk hols cow/heifer.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 15-04-2015 08:18PM

I had a nice FLT cow calve today, a red LHZ heifer, a bit small but 2 weeks early so i milked the cow and fed the calf and left her off. I was waiting to collect the young lad from school so i went on-line and registered her and sent off the BVD sample on the way to school.

Came back and went down the yard and there was a black friesian heifer calf sucking her. I brought the calf into the shed and went looking for the mother of the calf around what animals were left in the yard. Nothing looked close to calving.

Then it dawned on me that the cow had a set of twin heifers:rolleyes:.

Now the usual trouble with registering twins begins:(

mahoney_j · 15-04-2015 08:31PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I had a nice FLT cow calve today, a red LHZ heifer, a bit small but 2 weeks early so i milked the cow and fed the calf and left her off. I was waiting to collect the young lad from school so i went on-line and registered her and sent off the BVD sample on the way to school.

Came back and went down the yard and there was a black friesian heifer calf sucking her. I brought the calf into the shed and went looking for the mother of the calf around what animals were left in the yard. Nothing looked close to calving.

Then it dawned on me that the cow had a set of twin heifers:rolleyes:.

Now the usual trouble with registering twins begins:(

Nice one ,registered 3 sets this year and no queries for a change

whelan2 · 15-04-2015 08:32PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Nice one ,registered 3 sets this year and no queries for a change

ye same here, has it changed?

A cow called Daisy · 15-04-2015 09:23PM

Maybe been asked here before but I had someone on from ai station on Monday asking about buying angus calves of a particular bull.
What's the story with them? Had poor coverage so he ringing back tomorrow. What they pay. Bulls and/or heifers. Any experiences out there

Buford T. Justice XIX · 15-04-2015 10:42PM

A cow called Daisy wrote: »

Maybe been asked here before but I had someone on from ai station on Monday asking about buying angus calves of a particular bull.
What's the story with them? Had poor coverage so he ringing back tomorrow. What they pay. Bulls and/or heifers. Any experiences out there

Looking for FPI bulls for a trial, i assume on finishing. Commercial calf prices.

I had only one but he is a pb calf so i will hang onto him.

tanko · 15-04-2015 10:49PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Looking for FPI bulls for a trial, i assume on finishing. Commercial calf prices.

I had only one but he is a pb calf so i will hang onto him.

What do you think of FPI?

keep going · 15-04-2015 10:58PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Stock bulls ebi here is something like 137 good hostein bulls with type and milk will always struggle to get above 200 on ebi, even with ai bulls im using none are over 200...,
Id pay alot more attention to mother and grandmother proofs then a genomic test, my lads grandmother and great grandmother both completed over 10 lactations each and over 100,000 litres each with average protein of 3.55 and bf of 4.3 with both cows classified over ex 90, you would struggle to find any of these so called rockstar high ebi genomic bulls with breeding like that in ai...

Different strokes for different folks, his mother is consistently knocking out around 550 600 kilos at circa 4%protein andd with oman, hugo in the background shouldn't be too bad, yes type figures are not great but his protein% is .26 and ebi is 337 so calves shoultd be saleable .I suppose its obvious at this stage that there different goals in breeding and whos to say whos on the right track

Buford T. Justice XIX · 15-04-2015 11:08PM

tanko wrote: »

What do you think of FPI?

It's a nice bull calf off a plainish cow, good size in him and he is very quiet to handle. Easily calved from my few anyway, and all up quickly to drink which i really like in a calf coz i'm a lazy bugger:)

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