Some Gardai were present at a murder

bjork · 16-04-2015 10:51AM #1

and their superiors told them to keep stum.

Gardaí helped cover up the murder of a civilian by a member of the force, it has been claimed.

Using Dáil privilege, independent TD Clare Daly said that an officer witnessed a colleague shooting a member of the public but was told by senior officers to say he was not present during the incident

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/daly-garda-carried-out-murder-but-force-helped-cover-it-up-31147049.html

Is the darker side of the GS going to be uncovered? Forget speeding tickets; this is where it's going down.

Would you cover for a colleague if he'd done same in your work place?

rocky911 · 16-04-2015 10:52AM

bjork wrote: »

and their superiors told them to keep stum.

Gardaí helped cover up the murder of a civilian by a member of the force, it has been claimed.

Using Dáil privilege, independent TD Clare Daly said that an officer witnessed a colleague shooting a member of the public but was told by senior officers to say he was not present during the incident

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/daly-garda-carried-out-murder-but-force-helped-cover-it-up-31147049.html

Is the darker side of the GS going to be uncovered? Forget speeding tickets; this is where it's going down.

Would you cover for a colleague if he'd done same in your work place?

I call bull**** on anything that woman comes out with.

Valetta · 16-04-2015 10:53AM

Why did she use Dail privilege?

bjork · 16-04-2015 10:53AM

rocky911 wrote: »

I call bull**** on anything that woman comes out with.

Apparently it's been passed on to the "independent review committee" and they have it on file>in a filing cabinet

bjork · 16-04-2015 10:54AM

Valetta wrote: »

Why did she use Dail privilege?

Isn't that what they do when even the dogs on the streets know about it, but no action is taken?

or she just wants to score points

Either way

Valetta · 16-04-2015 10:55AM

bjork wrote: »

Isn't that what they do when even the dogs on the streets know about it, but no action is taken?

or she just wants to score points

Either way

It's what you do when you want to stir sh1t, but have nothing to back up your claims.

Guy:Incognito · 16-04-2015 10:57AM

bjork wrote: »

Isn't that what they do when even the dogs on the streets know about it, but no action is taken?

or she just wants to score points

Either way

Must be getting ideas from another female Dail member.

A bit more info wouldn't go astray. Is this a murder that no one knows about? Id the body buried somewhere? Is it one thats put down to a legit Garda shooting? Cant be many of those so couldn't be hard to figure out what one it is?

Seems like just enough information to cause a stir without actually having to accuse anyone.

JJJJNR · 16-04-2015 10:58AM

Was it Nidges ??? I knew it all along.

Guy:Incognito · 16-04-2015 10:59AM

JJJJNR wrote: »

Was it Nidges ??? I knew it all along.

Only if two of Patrick, Warren and Trish are Gards.:)

rocky911 · 16-04-2015 11:00AM

Publicity stunt at its finest to further discredit a force she has a personal vendetta against. Dont get me wrong AGS have a lot to answer for but this aint the way to go about about it.

seamus · 16-04-2015 11:02AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

A bit more info wouldn't go astray. Is this a murder that no one knows about? Id the body buried somewhere? Is it one thats out down to a legit Garda shooting? Cant be many of those so couldn't be hard to figure out what one it is?

Seems like just enough information to cause a stir without actually having to accuse anyone.

This.

It's pretty hard to fart in Ireland without someone finding out about it.

Someone being murdered, let alone by a Garda, but by a Garda weapon, doesn't seem like something that could disappear overnight.

Is this going to be something as moronic as a Garda who was present at a shooting was told to say he wasn't because he was in breach of overtime rules or something?

bjork · 16-04-2015 11:03AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Must be getting ideas from another female Dail member.

A bit more info wouldn't go astray. Is this a murder that no one knows about? Id the body buried somewhere? Is it one thats out down to a legit Garda shooting? Cant be many of those so couldn't be hard to figure out what one it is?

Seems like just enough information to cause a stir without actually having to accuse anyone.

Something this explosive will have to have an outcome one way or another and we will heard about it. The decision the committee for Fr.Molly has me concerned that even if it is true, they'll say he had a heart attack or something. Maybe he shot himself twice in the back? Who knows? Yes, I wish more detail would come out.

Nobody has answered my final question in the OP. Are ye hiding something?

rocky911 · 16-04-2015 11:05AM

Sure if she gets convicted of trespass in Shannon its because theres a vendetta out for her..Im all for independents in the Dail, but when you have the likes of Daly and Wallace I question the motives of people electing the,..

Carawaystick · 16-04-2015 11:09AM

Valetta wrote: »

It's what you do when you want to stir sh1t, but have nothing to back up your claims.

Enda Kenny clearly acknowledged the existence of the claim

theIndo wrote:

The Taoiseach responded that it was not for him to say why individuals had not been contacted.
He said the review panel had not concluded its work.

He was caught out denying a recent contact by another garda whistleblower recently, so his non-denial of the allegation seem to accede that the allegation exists as Daly suggests.

Sleepy · 16-04-2015 11:12AM

seamus wrote: »

Is this going to be something as moronic as a Garda who was present at a shooting was told to say he wasn't because he was in breach of overtime rules or something?

Are Paddy Power offering odds on this yet? Put me down for a tenner if so.

tipptom · 16-04-2015 11:12AM

rocky911 wrote: »

Publicity stunt at its finest to further discredit a force she has a personal vendetta against. Dont get me wrong AGS have a lot to answer for but this aint the way to go about about it.

You forgot to also mention a force that has a personal vendetta against her and if AGS have a lot to answer for why shouldn't she go about it that way.

Gatling · 16-04-2015 11:13AM

Another mld wannabe

arayess · 16-04-2015 11:13AM

i think the reporting of dail privilege is a red herring - no names were mentioned.

People mightn't like clare Daly - I don't blame them - but she is talking about an allegation that was reported to the authorities and querying the progress on this.
Now this allegation was either made or not.

If it was made - then how can people claim she was talking rubbish?
if there was no allegation, then she is a lunatic .
She says the garda made the allegation - it might be under wraps now but it will be pretty clear if the claims were reported or not.
that is all she was asking.

So let's wait and see before judging her.

are people seriously saying she made up this whistleblower?

rocky911 · 16-04-2015 11:14AM

Carawaystick wrote: »

Enda Kenny clearly acknowledged the existence of the claim

He was caught out denying a recent contact by another garda whistleblower recently, so his non-denial of the allegation seem to accede that the allegation exists as Daly suggests.

Not saying the allegation doesn't exist, its just the extent of the allegation or the actually grounds.. ii.e was it an operational shooting or was it some mule with his own shot gun. Thats the thing, I am not disputing that something may have happened but Daly could be using this to spin a web for her own benefit. Things tend to get altered

16-04-2015 11:14AM

The thread title is wrong.

She has alleged that Gardai were present when someone was shot. She has not alleged murder at all, even using Dáil privilege.

Streetwalker · 16-04-2015 11:15AM

Thank god for political people the ilk of Daly. What a cesspit the Gardaí have become.

Dyr · 16-04-2015 11:16AM

rocky911 wrote: »

I call bull**** on anything that woman comes out with.

Including all the stuff that she was right about, clever boy.

Sleepy · 16-04-2015 11:17AM

arayess wrote: »

i think the reporting of dail privilege is a red herring - no names were mentioned.

People mightn't like clare Daly - I don't blame them - but she is talking about an allegation that was reported to the authorities and querying the progress on this.
Now this allegation was either made or not.

If it was made - then how can people claim she was talking rubbish?
if there was no allegation, then she is a lunatic .
She says the garda made the allegation - it might be under wraps now but it will be pretty clear if the claims were reported or not.
that is all she was asking.

So let's wait and see before judging her.

are people seriously saying she made up this whistleblower?

If the allegation was made, she's asking for details of an ongoing investigation (which she has no entitlement to) in a display of attention seeking worthy of a petulant teenager.

The woman's an embarrassment to the constituency who elected her. Hopefully they'll learn from their mistake at the next election.

job seeker · 16-04-2015 11:22AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Only if two of Patrick, Warren and Trish are Gards.:)

Your-wan going around with a shaved head..

seamus · 16-04-2015 11:23AM

arayess wrote: »

are people seriously saying she made up this whistleblower?

No, I don't think anyone is claiming that the allegation that a Garda who was present during a shooting was asked to say they weren't, hasn't been made.

What people are questioning is her claim that Gardai murdered someone and were told to cover it up.

That seems to be Clare putting her own spin on what happened.

Guy:Incognito · 16-04-2015 11:24AM

job seeker wrote: »

Your-wan going around with a shaved head..

She was well dead by the time Nidge was shot.

arayess · 16-04-2015 11:32AM

Sleepy wrote: »

If the allegation was made, she's asking for details of an ongoing investigation (which she has entitlement to) in a display of attention seeking worthy of a petulant teenager.

The woman's an embarrassment to the constituency who elected her. Hopefully they'll learn from their mistake at the next election.

she is in my constituency , I didn't vote for her but i'm not embarrassed either. She has done a lot of good work with mick wallace with the garda stuff.
Without her it wouldn't have come to the fore and those two garda whistle-blowers would have been hounded forever.

seamus wrote: »

No, I don't think anyone is claiming that the allegation that a Garda who was present during a shooting was asked to say they weren't, hasn't been made.

What people are questioning is her claim that Gardai murdered someone and were told to cover it up.

That seems to be Clare putting her own spin on what happened.

It may be - or maybe the full allegation is that it was murder.

The full allegation hasn't been read out in the dail so we don't know.

job seeker · 16-04-2015 11:33AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

She was well dead by the time Nidge was shot.

:eek:

mynamejeff · 16-04-2015 11:34AM

the world is full of complete and total nut bags , why shouldnt there be a few in the dail , keeps them off the streets sure

Floppybits · 16-04-2015 11:38AM

Sleepy wrote: »

If the allegation was made, she's asking for details of an ongoing investigation (which she has entitlement to) in a display of attention seeking worthy of a petulant teenager.

The woman's an embarrassment to the constituency who elected her. Hopefully they'll learn from their mistake at the next election.

I don't she is an embarrassment, the work she did exposing the cover ups going in AGS in regards to speeding tickets being written off and the treatment of Garda whistleblowers by the force deserves to be commended by any right minded person.

She has done a lot more in the dail than alot other government TD's who remember all backed a Garda commissioner and Justice Minister who were doing their level best to destroy the whistle blower.

So fair play to Clare Daly for bringing the behavior of the Gardai out into the open and hopefully the force gets cleaned up because of it. Shame on all those TD's who backed a disgraceful Garda Commissioner and an unfit minister for Justice. I will be remembering that when those TD's who voted confidence in the Justice minister come knocking on my door come the next election. Maybe if other people actually took of their Party blinkers we might get some proper reforms in this country.

The only embarrassments I see in the Dail are those TD's who blindly support their party no matter who right or wrong they are and their party supporters who do their level best to describe anyone who speaks out against their beloved party or their leader as a crank, lunatic or Sinn Feiner. It is them that should be embarrassed.

Autonomous Cowherd · 16-04-2015 11:39AM

What Clare Daly is saying under Dail privilege may well be very true and if so, as grave an over-stepping of the power of one wing of the state's power as I have heard in some time. But don't let that stop your misogynistic hissing.

Some Gardai were present at a murder

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