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How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

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  • #4652
    xrp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 166 ✭✭xrp


    Trudiha wrote: »
    You seemed all fine and reasonable up until this point, the point where the hateful bile started. Hateful, misleading, imprecise, insulting and intolerant. You've let yourself down.
    Saying so doesn't make it true. You'll need to break it down and demonstrate why you're so morally outraged.
    Trudiha wrote: »
    To me this is a really strange view, I don't know where you live but here in Ireland, we haven't gone to hell in a handcart. I live in a nice community, in a country with the lowest divorce rate in Europe, where neighbours look out for each other and no one is fornicating in street. There might be a couple of people fiddling the dole but I'm not convinced that it's a result of the gay agenda, women working or free access to contraception.
    Oh! A low divorce rate is a good thing in your view? Do you think gays go through more or fewer partners?


  • #4653
    xrp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 166 ✭✭xrp


    Isabelle Shy Villain wrote: »
    Think it's more because they have gay friends and relatives and realise that these relationships and families deserve equal status.

    I haven't noticed any massive upswing in people saying they'll vote yes since McAleese came out (:D) in favour of it. It's eerily like people are making their decision on their experience and morals rather than based on liberal media bias. Almost TOO eerie...

    This photo is a bit of an own goal by the YES side:

    90236231.jpg

    I had to laugh at the stupid regal look in her face.


  • #4654
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Why's this fella going on about divorce and age of starting families?

    It's the very fabric of society!


  • #4655
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Can't really attempt to claim the moral high ground after thanking a post referring to gay people as freaks xrp.


  • #4656
    xrp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 166 ✭✭xrp


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    It's the very fabric of society!

    Was that written?

    I'm still waiting on the fella earlier who claimed the bishops have been telling lies to come back to me with a quote.


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  • #4657
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Don't most Irish marraiges happen after 30 now???


  • #4658
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    xrp wrote: »
    Was that written?

    I'm still waiting on the fella earlier who claimed the bishops have been telling lies to come back to me with a quote.

    How many marraige have UK Catholic Bishops refused to complete the civil side of since marriage equality came in there???


  • #4659
    xrp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 166 ✭✭xrp


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    Can't really attempt to claim the moral high ground after thanking a post referring to gay people as freaks xrp.

    Stigma isn't always bad and is beneficial from time to time in ordered, functioning societies. I'm quite open about the fact that I find the behaviour weird and freakish, though I would be very hesitant to use that particular word to a gay I knew for fear of further entrenching them in their wickedness. Removing stigma (e.g. allowing suicide victims to be buried in blinged-up graves) can actually be harmful and encourage others to pursue the same path of destruction.


  • #4660
    Trudiha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Trudiha


    xrp wrote: »
    Do you believe starting a family at 32 is healthy?

    To be honest, I don't have the facts to hand so I really don't know and wouldn't want to take a guess. However, I'm fairly certain that it's not the fault of the gays, same sex marriage or a liberal agenda and that it has nothing whatsoever to do with what we're discussing.

    But if you pushed me, my guess would be that it's a result of high house prices, the unavailability of mortgages and spending longer in education and I'm sure the kids are as lovely as they have ever been.

    You see what you did there, getting me off topic, talking about other things? It's almost like you don't want to have the discussion in hand and are cunningly leading me away from it. I hope the folks who knock at the door aren't so wiley.


  • #4661
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    xrp wrote: »
    Moral outrage -induced violence is not a legitimate form of violence. All they're asking is for your vote. I suggest you lock your gate.

    Where's the violence?

    It could be worse - I could be going door to door telling them what I think of them. Way more intrusive.


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  • #4662
    xrp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 166 ✭✭xrp


    Trudiha wrote: »
    To be honest, I don't have the facts to hand so I really don't know and wouldn't want to take a guess. However, I'm fairly certain that it's not the fault of the gays, same sex marriage or a liberal agenda and that it has nothing whatsoever to do with what we're discussing.

    But if you pushed me, my guess would be that it's a result of high house prices, the unavailability of mortgages and spending longer in education and I'm sure the kids are as lovely as they have ever been.

    You see what you did there, getting me off topic, talking about other things? It's almost like you don't want to have the discussion in hand and are cunningly leading me away from it. I hope the folks who knock at the door aren't so wiley.

    *bangs head off desk.

    Good night lads,


  • #4663
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    efb wrote: »
    How many marraige have UK Catholic Bishops refused to complete the civil side of since marriage equality came in there???

    Likewise, how many have they refused here since divorce came in?


  • #4664
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    xrp wrote: »
    *bangs head off desk.

    Harder!


  • #4665
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    xrp wrote: »
    Stigma isn't always bad and is beneficial from time to time in ordered, functioning societies. I'm quite open about the fact that I find the behaviour weird and freakish, though I would be very hesitant to use that particular word to a gay I knew for fear of further entrenching them in their wickedness. Removing stigma (e.g. allowing suicide victims to be buried in blinged-up graves) can actually be harmful and encourage others to pursue the same path of destruction.

    You need to meet more gay people. Do you actually think that having sex with someone of the same sex and entering into a relationship with them is on the same level as wearing skinny jeans or something? "I'm not into this but I'll do it because other people are doing it"?

    What is the 'path of destruction' that you're on about?


  • #4666
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Harder!

    Faster!


  • #4667
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,160 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    xrp wrote: »
    Stigma isn't always bad and is beneficial from time to time in ordered, functioning societies. I'm quite open about the fact that I find the behaviour weird and freakish, though I would be very hesitant to use that particular word to a gay I knew for fear of further entrenching them in their wickedness. Removing stigma (e.g. allowing suicide victims to be buried in blinged-up graves) can actually be harmful and encourage others to pursue the same path of destruction.

    # Just keep digging, just keep digging...


  • #4668
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    xrp wrote: »
    *bangs head off desk.
    Careful now, the desk might suffer brain damage..


  • #4669
    Trudiha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Trudiha


    Are the gays driving up house prices too?


  • #4670
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,160 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Isabelle Shy Villain wrote: »
    You need to meet more gay people. Do you actually think that having sex with someone of the same sex and entering into a relationship with them is on the same level as wearing skinny jeans or something? "I'm not into this but I'll do it because other people are doing it"?

    What is the 'path of destruction' that you're on about?

    Shure don't you know that the Gardaí don't ignore violent hate crimes any more?


  • #4671
    K4t
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Isabelle Shy Villain wrote: »

    What is the 'path of destruction' that you're on about?

    It's the oldest 'argument' in the book. The gays, they go around having sex with anything that moves..


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  • #4672
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,070 ✭✭✭✭pq0n1ct4ve8zf5


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    # Just keep digging, just keep digging...

    There's a strong field of contenders for the title of 'Least Classy Irrelevant Issue That's Been Dragged Into This Debate', but that one is up there.


  • #4673
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Trudiha wrote: »
    Are the gays driving up house prices too?

    Gay immigrant gypsies give middle England cancer!


  • #4674
    smokingman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,786 ✭✭✭smokingman


    The ISPCC endorses a yes vote – so those who want to push a “no” vote, their plans for children are contrary to the Irish Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children. Let that sink in a bit now… http://www.ispcc.ie/news-media/childrens-issues-in-the-news/ispcc-confirms-its-support-for-a-yes-vote-in-the-marriage-equality-referendum/12761


  • #4675
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    Isabelle Shy Villain wrote: »

    What is the 'path of destruction' that you're on about?


    You haven't been taken up the path of destruction? You haven't lived.


  • #4676
    Trudiha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Trudiha


    efb wrote: »
    Gay immigrant gypsies give middle England cancer!

    Won't they think of Princess Diana?


  • #4677
    Trudiha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 235 ✭✭Trudiha


    I've got a fiver on xpr being that cheeky Graham Norton, pushing people into the middle with his parody of extreme views.


  • #4678
    G_R
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,028 Mod ✭✭✭✭G_R


    xrp wrote: »
    Stigma isn't always bad and is beneficial from time to time in ordered, functioning societies. I'm quite open about the fact that I find the behaviour weird and freakish, though I would be very hesitant to use that particular word to a gay I knew for fear of further entrenching them in their wickedness. Removing stigma (e.g. allowing suicide victims to be buried in blinged-up graves) can actually be harmful and encourage others to pursue the same path of destruction.

    Mod

    Xrp, you're thread banned from this post on. Do not post in this thread.


  • #4679
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    [sarcasm]
    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    I reckon it's David Quinn :pac:

    too blatant, maybe John or Breda, one of the less clever ones[/sarcasm]

    I don't think so really


  • #4680
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,988 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    xrp wrote: »
    Again, this kind of stuff does your side no favours. What word do you use to describe real bigots like KKK members?

    And what lie has an Irish bishop uttered?

    Homosexuals have the same rights (and responsibilities) as everyone else in society. It's nobody's "right" to walk up the isle of a private church. I don't see the fascination with having homosexual unions blessed by the HSE. Is there some high level human meaning to such blessings (which for some reason attempt to mimic all the pomp and ceremony of a church wedding) that I'm missing? If two men or three men or whatever lesbians want to live their lives together and want to grow old and wrinkly in each other's arms (or whatever it is they do nowadays), that's great. I don't see the point of it and frankly, the world has bigger things to be worrying about than what a tiny number of decadent metropolitan white people get up to. It does become problematic for Catholics when innocent children are used as pawns to cap these unions and socially legitimise them.

    Even if the NO side were to pass, it doesn't really matter. It will just encapsulate the 20+ years of social destruction that has already taken place in Irish society. If YES passes, it would only mark the beginning of our admission that something is wrong and represent the start of the process of repairing the damage.

    Can you show me where, in the proposed amendment to the constitution on civil marriage, it say's that it includes the right to walk up the aisle of a private church' or any church for that matter? It seem's to me that you are trying to drag in the falsehood that churches/religious will have same-sex civil marriage ceremonies foisted upon them by the proposed change in constitutional law.

    I'd also like to know what exactly the birthing age of a woman (32) has to do with the state's citizenry voting on whether to allow same-sex couples access to civil marriage on a par with their opposite-sex couple fellow citizens.

    Oh, I'm too late posting this...... damn this scrolling and aditing.


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  • #4681
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,988 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Isabelle Shy Villain wrote: »
    You need to meet more gay people. Do you actually think that having sex with someone of the same sex and entering into a relationship with them is on the same level as wearing skinny jeans or something? "I'm not into this but I'll do it because other people are doing it"?

    What is the 'path of destruction' that you're on about?

    I think i read somewhere that Pat Robertson wrote about the path of destruction western civilization and the US was on because of gay people. maybe he/she was quoting Pat.


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